TPM- The sixth best SW Movie shown some love

[devilof76]

I like how midichlorians take the religious element out of the Force. Well, they do a little bit. Actually, they don't change anything, besides inspire more clucking.

 

[Starkiller]

I like how midichlorians take the religious element out of the Force.

Oh but they do. Don't deny it, you cannot.

 

[automaton]

if anything, i think the midichlorians draw more of a parallel to religion than ever before. they are science, yet the Emperor has reduced the notion of the force to a myth.

Luke, not being told of the science, showed a lot of faith in the force...

 

[Starkiller]

But the force should have been myth even before or if the Emperor made it up or not. It was myth because only the Jedi used force powers and with them gone, no one else really experienced it I guess?

Obi-Wan in the originals simply says it's the a force all around us, which binds the galaxy together, and surround all living things. It's very magical and needs no more explanation, just some people are more attuned to it than others.

Now George took a dump on that very entrancing mystical notion as to saying it now depends on people cell count as to how they can use the force and how powerful they can become.

Which he digs himself deeper because what determines a person midichlorian count? Before just more people were attuned to it, like some people who claim to be able to read palms, communicate with the dead, take to god, or read fortunes...whatever the case may be.

Luke just fell right into that because he always felt the force without having to be explained what and why it was. His father has highly attuned to it, and Luke would thusly be more sensitive. But alas oh it's because uhhh, Anakin had a high midichlorian count, which he passed down to his babies.

It was a cheap cop out. Which took some of the magic out of star wars, the force, and jedis.

 

[darthviper107]

I think this one definitely sucked the worst, the plot was just garbage. No main character either.

 

[devilof76]

Luke inheriting his father's force ability wouldn't have happened if it wasn't genetic. But don't worry, I won't explain why midichlorians make perfect sense and change nothing. I've taken the trouble before, and I know that no amount of reasoning can change someone's mind when they're already determined to hate the idea.

 

[automaton]

Luke inheriting his father's force ability wouldn't have happened if it wasn't genetic. But don't worry, I won't explain why midichlorians make perfect sense and change nothing. I've taken the trouble before, and I know that no amount of reasoning can change someone's mind when they're already determined to hate the idea.

i absolutely agree.

 

[devilof76]

Awesome.

 

[Khev]

Midichlorians didn't make Force using a genetic trait. Return of the Jedi did that 16 years earlier when Luke said, "The Force is strong with my family; I have it, my father has it, and...my sister has it." Before ROTJ the Force was something that anyone could tap into through discipline and training. It implied that anyone in SW could be a hero, or a Jedi, and Luke was the only one who stepped up to the challenge. ROTJ changed all that when it revealed that him, and Leia, were simply the only ones who could.

TPM gets a bad wrap for "de-mystifying" the Force. It simply explained another element of it, just as Obi-Wan and Yoda so famously explained elements of it in ANH and ESB. I don't recall anyone crying foul about Yoda's "luminous beings" speech. It was just handled more elegantly than Qui Gon's dialogue in TPM.

The Force can still be a magical, mystical presence, and for all we know it simply plants midichlorians into people it already knows will later have the inclination to follow it anyway. It obviously knows the future, or there wouldn't be things like the Prophecy of the Chosen One or other visions. Who's to say that midichlorians aren't some other byproduct of a Force user's potential that the Jedi, like they did with the Prophecy, simply misread?

Many people don't want to allow for other interpretations of midichlorians because its easier, and apparently "cooler," to simply dismiss them as another abomination thrust into the saga by a man who supposedly doesn't even understand the appeal of his own story anymore. When I first saw TPM in the theater and Obi-Wan pulled up that little midichlorian graph, I thought, "Awesome, George is a fan of Akira. Right on." Just as the OT revealed his appreciation for Kurosawa. It really doesn't have to be anything more than that.

 

[Starkiller]

Midichlorians didn't make Force using a genetic trait. Return of the Jedi did that 16 years earlier when Luke said, "The Force is strong with my family; I have it, my father has it, and...my sister has it." Before ROTJ the Force was something that anyone could tap into through discipline and training. It implied that anyone in SW could be a hero, or a Jedi, and Luke was the only one who stepped up to the challenge. ROTJ changed all that when it revealed that him, and Leia, were simply the only ones who could.

TPM gets a bad wrap for "de-mystifying" the Force. It simply explained another element of it, just as Obi-Wan and Yoda so famously explained elements of it in ANH and ESB. I don't recall anyone crying foul about Yoda's "luminous beings" speech. It was just handled more elegantly than Qui Gon's dialogue in TPM.

The Force can still be a magical, mystical presence, and for all we know it simply plants midichlorians into people it already knows will later have the inclination to follow it anyway. It obviously knows the future, or there wouldn't be things like the Prophecy of the Chosen One or other visions. Who's to say that midichlorians aren't some other byproduct of a Force user's potential that the Jedi, like they did with the Prophecy, simply misread?

Many people don't want to allow for other interpretations of midichlorians because its easier, and apparently "cooler," to simply dismiss them as another abomination thrust into the saga by a man who supposedly doesn't even understand the appeal of his own story anymore. When I first saw TPM in the theater and Obi-Wan pulled up that little midichlorian graph, I thought, "Awesome, George is a fan of Akira. Right on." Just as the OT revealed his appreciation for Kurosawa. It really doesn't have to be anything more than that.

I don't think the ROTJ ruined it. Before ROTJ I took it as only certain people could use the force, like they were just more sensitive and attuned to it. Like priests and monks to God. Luke could feel it, but Han could never ever be in that mind set no matter how hard he tried. I didn't take at as anyone could be the hero, Luke was the hero because he was the only one strong enough with the Force to stand up to the Emperor to stand a chance...but ultimately it took him and his father combined to toppled the Emperor.

But the "luminous beings are we" line added to the mystifying of the force. As if there is this higher plane that only really attuned force users can see and feel. I only feel that trying to add an explanation as to how they would find out Anakin had a lot of potential to use the force other than pricking his arm to find out the little cells in his blood that now make him powerful with the force, other than something more spiritual in tone. We can't take blood samples from those who claim to hear God and say oh yea, they have a so and so count, that's why you hear voices. It just spills sour milk the idea even 11 years later.

 

[automaton]

"It implied that anyone in SW could be a hero, or a Jedi, and Luke was the only one who stepped up to the challenge. ROTJ changed all that when it revealed that him, and Leia, were simply the only ones who could."



Obi Wan spent almost 20 years waiting for the son of the highest known midi-chlorian count being to mature… that is the foundation of the story. Han ultimately was a hero (sans force) so doesn't the implication that anyone could be one still hold?

 

[Darth Cruel]

You all are missing the biggest continuity killer (where the force being magical or natural is concerned) in the entire Star Wars saga. However, I am not one to perpetuate the debating of inconsequential trivialities of the movies and therefor I feel that I am bound by virtue to keep from bringing it to light.