UFC, etc.

[The Vile One]

Babalu turned it down because he was afraid of getting his ____ pushed in by King Moneyweight Mo.

 

[azurepred]

Yep...........dont get it, and now it is bothering me cause I am curious what their train of thought is. If I was a proffessional fighter, I would fight whoever it takes to be a champion. Loyalty only gets you so far in this world; I would say it holds ppl back from reaching their true potential. If thats the case, I really hope Rashad doesnt win the title back, but I dont know who else is gonna fight for a interim belt.

 

[daikkenaurora]

Yep...........dont get it, and now it is bothering me cause I am curious what their train of thought is. If I was a proffessional fighter, I would fight whoever it takes to be a champion. Loyalty only gets you so far in this world; I would say it holds ppl back from reaching their true potential. If thats the case, I really hope Rashad doesnt win the title back, but I dont know who else is gonna fight for a interim belt.

And what about school? So you didnt do good on test because you didnt want to do better than your friends? No, you tried to get good grades to get into school. It should be the same with fighting. Your job is to fight to get money for you and your family. I think these guys need a kick in the ass.

 

[The Vile One]

Again I feel its because Babalu is afraid of getting destroyed again like he did against Mousasi.

But yeah, fighting isn't a team sport. A fighters goal should be to become champion. Being champion means more exposure, more money, bigger paydays. If Koscheck becomes champ, does that mean Fitch is taking his hat out of the ring because he refuses to fight his friend?

 

[daikkenaurora]

Again I feel its because Babalu is afraid of getting destroyed again like he did against Mousasi.

But yeah, fighting isn't a team sport. A fighters goal should be to become champion. Being champion means more exposure, more money, bigger paydays. If Koscheck becomes champ, does that mean Fitch is taking his hat out of the ring because he refuses to fight his friend?

Well Devil said he would leave the division if that happened. And if Kos did win, I really do think Fitch would do that since he would be the #1 contender and in line for a title shot.

Its stupid.

 

[azurepred]

And what about school? So you didnt do good on test because you didnt want to do better than your friends? No, you tried to get good grades to get into school. It should be the same with fighting. Your job is to fight to get money for you and your family. I think these guys need a kick in the ass.

except with fighting.............there tends to be a pain factor involved with hands being bashed into ppls faces. You defn dont see that train of thought in other sports, so it must be the bashing your friends face in theory

 

[Devil_666]

This is what I was saying about Fitch and Kos:

To me there’s no reason to fight a teammate. It’s not a fight we’re interested in at all. It’s a situation where, if Koscheck is able to win the belt and defend the belt, I’ll move up to 185.

I have a good size frame. I could put on 15 pounds. I might take a month off to put on some weight, but it’s a tall order to beat Georges and defend the belt. That process would take a year from now, and I’ll have fought every other welterweight worth fighting by that time so it’d almost be time to move up anyways.

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It's at like 2:15 where he's asked.

 

[daikkenaurora]

except with fighting.............there tends to be a pain factor involved with hands being bashed into ppls faces. You defn dont see that train of thought in other sports, so it must be the bashing your friends face in theory

So that train of thought is only in the MMA? lame

Give me a better excuse azure then "bashing your friends face in theory".

 

[daikkenaurora]

This is what I was saying about Fitch and Kos:



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It's at like 2:15 where he's asked.

His ears look fake. Creepy. And you are a #2 Fitch.. a big stinky one.

 

[azurepred]

This is what I was saying about Fitch and Kos:



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It's at like 2:15 where he's asked.

this is an individual sport, he might think they are teammates, but teammates of what exactly? They train together, but its not like if one of his "teammates" wins the title, that he will reap the same benefits. Its not that easy just to put on weight or lose weight and think that you will be just as successful in that division. Thats why that guy will NEVER be a champion, plain and simple.

 

[azurepred]

So that train of thought is only in the MMA? lame

Give me a better excuse azure then "bashing your friends face in theory".

..............I dont have one. As a competitor in any sport I have participated in; I had no problem going out and trying to beat my friends that were on the other side of me. We were still friends at the end, but its just MY competetive nature, I cant say the same for these other guys. I would expect the same out of my friends to be as competetive, so my only theory is the fact that they just dont have the will to go out and there and compete, even if it means temporarily hurting a friend. Why compete in the first place then?

 

[daikkenaurora]

..............I dont have one. As a competitor in any sport I have participated in; I had no problem going out and trying to beat my friends that were on the other side of me. We were still friends at the end, but its just MY competetive nature, I cant say the same for these other guys. I would expect the same out of my friends to be as competetive, so my only theory is the fact that they just dont have the will to go out and there and compete, even if it means temporarily hurting a friend. Why compete in the first place then?

Exactly. Fitch can make up some lame excuse about being teammates etc etc but its just shows that he really doesnt want the title. Its the same thing that we see on TUF. The guys that want to fight ask for the fight while the guys who act like they want the fight, sit and be quiet. I never really had an opinion on Fitch but wow. He acts like Kos is his girlfriend.

 

[The Vile One]

Here's my problem with all this. Jon Fitch is arguably the #2 or #3 welterweight in the world. He's won all his big fights at welterweight. He's going to turn down guaranteed big money for another title fight because he won't fight Koscheck? He's going to turn down a chance at immortality greatness and excellence because of that?

He goes up to middleweight he's got to start all over. Middleweight is equally crowded right now with another unbeatable looking champion.

Just saying. True men, true competitors will get their blood up and do it. Sasuke and Naruto wanted to fight each other in Naruto despite being buddies because they knew they both were the best and wanted to test each other.

 

[daikkenaurora]

Here's my problem with all this. Jon Fitch is arguably the #2 or #3 welterweight in the world. He's won all his big fights at welterweight. He's going to turn down guaranteed big money for another title fight because he won't fight Koscheck? He's going to turn down a chance at immortality greatness and excellence because of that?

He goes up to middleweight he's got to start all over. Middleweight is equally crowded right now with another unbeatable looking champion.

Just saying. True men, true competitors will get their blood up and do it. Sasuke and Naruto wanted to fight each other in Naruto despite being buddies because they knew they both were the best and wanted to test each other.

I thought I was seeing things but no you really did bring up anime.

I wonder if Kos feels the same way.

 

[The Vile One]

Kos carries the same line of bull. Kos says if he wins it, it's like the whole team winning the Stanley Cup. BOOO-URNS!

I dunno to me it's not just about winning the title. If you are the best or claim to the be the best, wouldn't you want to be tested and fight the best as well?

 

[daikkenaurora]

Kos carries the same line of bull. Kos says if he wins it, it's like the whole team winning the Stanley Cup. BOOO-URNS!

I dunno to me it's not just about winning the title. If you are the best or claim to the be the best, wouldn't you want to be tested and fight the best as well?

This just makes me want to see Kos lose even more.

 

[bumblebee]

This whole teammate not fighting thing means nothing in this case cause GSP is gonna beat Kos again anyway.

 

[NASEDO]

I'd fight a team-mate. I see it no different then playing a friend in hoops. Being a Professional fighter you shouldn't need hatred or anger to fight someone, Martial Arts is a discipline and fighting is just a way to see who's style or technique is better. These guys get punched and kicked in the face all day, whats the difference if its friend or foe.

 

[Devil_666]

To play Devil's advocate, another reason a lot of fighters who are teammates don't want to fight each other is because of the logistical nightmare involved. You train with the same people, at the same gym and with the same coaches. If neither guy was willing to leave and train with a new camp, then you'd have to work out who trains when and with who. You'd have to split up the training times with coaches and sparring partners, etc. And if someone DID leave to train with a different camp they'd already be at a disadvantage mentally because they're now out of their comfort zone.

Just playing Devil's advocate. On a personal level I think it's BS.

I can understand family members not fighting each other like Fedor and Aleks. Or Joe and Dan Lauzon. That's different. That's blood. But friends/training partners!? NO.

 

[azurepred]

you may be out of your comfort zone, but it also gives you a chance to go out and learn new skills to your fight game if you go and train with a champion or something. I'm sure these fighters are also good friends with other fighters not in their camp, so I woulnd't think it would be too hard for any of them to go and train with other ppl, but I guess its harder for some ppl.