UFC, etc.

[azurepred]

Damage is scored by using the word "effective." Effective striking is supposed to trump number of strikes.

Being in the centre and pushing forward sounds more like a definition of aggression.

Octagon control refers to determining the pace and position of the fight.

Damage doesn't equal effectiveness though. It's obvious GSP bruises and cuts fairly easy. Even when he fought Shields, his face looked wrecked and Shields has 0 power or even solid boxing. Guys like A. Silva or Hendricks just don't for whatever reason. Doesn't mean GSP's shots were less effective. Jones basically retained his title with knee kicks. Even when Silva/Sonnen 1 happened. Sonnen barely got touched in that fight and he looked wrecked.

At least the judges got the Lawler fight right. There will always be bad decisions because everyone has a different opinion on what is considered more effective or dominant in a fight. Just look at everyone else's responses in here considering who won what round. If the fight is close, the champ usually retains, just the way it is.

The round in question is round 1. Most agree GSP won 3 and 5. It could have went either way.

I agree, I disagree with anyone who had Hendricks winning 4 rounds. I guess the judges thought the GSP takedown and Guillotine attempt were enough to give GSP the round? Even the judge that had Hendricks winning only gave him 3 rounds.

 

[a2themonster]

ok just to stress this point..brandon rios, who is relatively unknown outside of the boxing community, is the guy who is fighting pacquiao next week..hes set to make 3 mil from that fight alone…now this is my question (and this should be easy to do since ufc releases their fighter salaries etc) what fighter in the ufc, who was challenging for a belt, made that kinda money off one fight? - none…now what fighter in the ufc, period, champion or not, made anywhere near 3 mil for ONE FIGHT? none..at all, not close…whoever u think the top draw for ufc is; silva, jones, gsp ,none of them got paid, what brandon rios is getting paid for one fight…thats not even looking into at all..ik personally fighters who were barely near mid-carder status in boxing and weren't ranked and they were making 100k a fight…I'm telling you, if you're remotely familiar with fighting, at all, its COMMON KNOWLEDGE, that boxers get paid more than ufc fighters…by a WIDE margin no less...

 

[Tornadoflame]

You're letting numbers fool you. Who is Rios promotion company?

 

[a2themonster]

thats irrelevant…jake shields, when he challenged gsp, made 75 grand…let me ask you..no matter what cut his promotion company makes…do u think that 3 mil is gonna be reduced to 75k? theres no way..im telling u this is a fact idk where ur getting ur info from but I'm telling u boxers make more money

 

[Tornadoflame]

thats irrelevant…jake shields, when he challenged gsp, made 75 grand…let me ask you..no matter what cut his promotion company makes…do u think that 3 mil is gonna be reduced to 75k? theres no way..im telling u this is a fact idk where ur getting ur info from but I'm telling u boxers make more money

It's very relevant. Just answer the question.

 

[Devil_666]

this should be easy to do since ufc releases their fighter salaries

Actually they don't. They release what a fighter is contracted to make for showing up and winning. Those numbers don't include what UFC fighters make regarding locker room bonuses and PPV cuts (if applicable).

For instance, Lesnar made 400K for his fight at UFC 100. But he got a cut of the PPV sales. His estimated payout for UFC 100 was over 5 million. When Couture had his falling out with the UFC and complained about money they actually released ALL his pay info including locker room bonuses, signing bonuses and his PPV pay structure.

Couture made $1.186 million for his HW title fight against Sylvia and $1.072 million for his HW title fight against Gonzaga.

But regardless.. no one disputes that the payouts for Boxers who headline a PPV/TV card are significantly higher than a UFC fighter. They are. No one in MMA has ever made 40+ million for a single fight like Mayweather.

It's as a whole. Boxers as a whole aren't making big money. There's still fighters who are on these big boxing PPV's only making like $3500 to fight/win. In contrast Joe Lauzon made over 80K for his 4th UFC fight against Kenny Florian. And he lost.

 

[a2themonster]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1579572-why-ufc-fighters-are-severely-underpaid

https://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/page/UFCpay/ufc-fighters-say-low-pay-most-painful-hit-all

"Below are five quick facts about UFC fighter pay that will have you saying WTF? Have you ever wondered if WNBA players get paid more than UFC fighters? You have now!


[1] Did you know the worst bench warmer on the worst Women’s NBA team makes double what the average entry-level UFC fighter does?

[2] How about this, there was a UFC event in 2013 in which, apparently, the highest guaranteed pay on the card was $30k/$30k.

[3] Did you know, a fighter received only $12,000 in disclosed pay while fighting for a title and main-eventing a Pay-Per-View, this year?

[4] The median average wage for a top 15 fighter in the UFC is just $30,500 per year.

[5] Floyd Mayweather, in the 12 months between summer 2011 and summer 2012, made approximately four times more in guaranteed salary than the entire UFC roster combined. He fought twice."

source:https://www.mmasentinel.com/2013/07/ufc-fighter-pay-facts-ronda-rousey-dana-white/

thats literally only the top 3 google results in searching the subject with me making little to no effort..just read those 2 articles bro I'm telling u as someone who used to fight/train in both sports the difference is substantial!!!!!

 

[a2themonster]

another one: https://bleacherreport.com/articles...e-will-never-be-like-boxing-and-thats-alright

https://www.badlefthook.com/2013/5/...llion-guerrero-3-million-showtime-boxing-news

 

[Tornadoflame]

Mayweather is his own promotion. If you would answer my question this debate would be over.

 

[a2themonster]

lol no it wouldnt..did u actually read the or look @ the first 2 links or just read the may weather part…cmon man…rios is promoted i believe by bob arum…now what i don't get is since u nor i know the specific breakdown of his contracts and all that its truly irrelevant…again i stress u read those first 2 links…please..for the sake of this conversation

 

[a2themonster]

and even if he is his own promotion…FOUR TIMES the entire annual income of the entire ufc roster??? like cmon man…read the links

 

[Tornadoflame]

lol no it wouldnt..did u actually read the or look @ the first 2 links or just read the may weather part…cmon man…rios is promoted i believe by bob arum…now what i don't get is since u nor i know the specific breakdown of his contracts and all that its truly irrelevant…again i stress u read those first 2 links…please..for the sake of this conversation

What's the percentage you think Arum is getting?

 

[Tornadoflame]

Top Rank fighters have said that 35% have went to Top Rank. So how much you think Rios is shelling out?

 

[a2themonster]

lol lets say its 50 percent…thats still 1.5 mil…jake shields made 75k…u do the math on that man..n those r both fighters salaries before tax, so they'll both get reduced..either way u see the difference..

 

[Tornadoflame]

lol lets say its 50 percent…thats still 1.5 mil…jake shields made 75k…u do the math on that man..n those r both fighters salaries before tax, so they'll both get reduced..either way u see the difference..

It's not. You're forgetting Uncle Sam and trainers and coaches. That's Jake Shields. Compare him to a Ppv headliner. Not a Strikeforce headliner.

 

[Adrosi]

Dana is calling for the NV Governor to step in.

“Does anybody here think that Johny Hendricks didn’t win the fight?. I’m blown away that Georges St-Pierre won that fight. And listen, I’m a promoter. He’s the biggest pay-per-view star on the f---ing planet for me, and I still don’t think he won that fight.

He couldn't finish GSP.

I'd say he didn't win. He didn't lose either.

 

[supermetroid]

It's true that Bob Arum is a scumbag. Look what he's doing to Rigondeaux, not promoting him at all even though he's probably the most skilled counter puncher in the game (maybe even better than Mayweather) because he dominated Donaire. Rigo may be very boring to watch for the casual fans but you have to promote him and get him fights, that's your job.

To be honest, both UFC and boxing promoters treat fighters unfair because they have a monopoly (Top Rank and Golden Boy). It's only when you get to the top level and can demand what you want (Mayweather), then you can call the shots. The bottom line is you have to be at the very top level (GSP, Jones, Silva, Pac, May, Ward) or have a very entertaining style (Wanderlei, Rios) to make great money. Fighters in both sports have to work their way to the top or have a huge fan base to get top dollar.

 

[316what]

ok just to stress this point..brandon rios, who is relatively unknown outside of the boxing community, is the guy who is fighting pacquiao next week..hes set to make 3 mil from that fight alone…now this is my question (and this should be easy to do since ufc releases their fighter salaries etc) what fighter in the ufc, who was challenging for a belt, made that kinda money off one fight? - none…now what fighter in the ufc, period, champion or not, made anywhere near 3 mil for ONE FIGHT? none..at all, not close…whoever u think the top draw for ufc is; silva, jones, gsp ,none of them got paid, what brandon rios is getting paid for one fight…thats not even looking into at all..ik personally fighters who were barely near mid-carder status in boxing and weren't ranked and they were making 100k a fight…I'm telling you, if you're remotely familiar with fighting, at all, its COMMON KNOWLEDGE, that boxers get paid more than ufc fighters…by a WIDE margin no less...

Lesnar was making that kind of money.

 

[Tornadoflame]

It's true that Bob Arum is a scumbag. Look what he's doing to Rigondeaux, not promoting him at all even though he's probably the most skilled counter puncher in the game (maybe even better than Mayweather) because he dominated Donaire. Rigo may be very boring to watch for the casual fans but you have to promote him and get him fights, that's your job.

To be honest, both UFC and boxing promoters treat fighters unfair because they have a monopoly (Top Rank and Golden Boy). It's only when you get to the top level and can demand what you want (Mayweather), then you can call the shots. The bottom line is you have to be at the very top level (GSP, Jones, Silva, Pac, May, Ward) or have a very entertaining style (Wanderlei, Rios) to make great money. Fighters in both sports have to work their way to the top or have a huge fan base to get top dollar.

All truth. My question is, is it worth long term brain health to get to the top.

 

[supermetroid]

Well, that question can be asked for any contact sport like Football, Rugby, Hockey, etc. You should know the risks this day and age and make the decision if it's worth it or not. They didn't know back then but brain damage is very possible with any contact sport. It's good that fights are months apart nowadays, can you imagine back in boxings early days the amount of punishment they took with many fights every year. Sugar Ray Robinson had 85 amateur fights and 200 pro fights officially and he wasn't a defensive fighter by any means.