UFC, etc.

[mutant-man]

Didn't I say that you guys were sleeping on Woodley? I'm not sure he's ever going to be truly elite, but he's really good and was overlooked by average barroom UFC fans because he came from Strikeforce and was therefore deemed as second class.

 

[Tornadoflame]

Rumor is GSP's personal issues have to do with his sexuality.

If that's the case, hopefully he does come out and gets back to fighting. I could care less if he's is gay or not. I don't believe that's the case though.

He seemed to be in another world after the fight. He got some major issues. Is there any explanation of what the problem is?

Taking headshots in training and in fights for the past ten years. That's a decade of trauma.

 

[Collectorcol]

Didn't I say that you guys were sleeping on Woodley? I'm not sure he's ever going to be truly elite, but he's really good and was overlooked by average barroom UFC fans because he came from Strikeforce and was therefore deemed as second class.

You called it MM

GSP gay?! To be honest it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[supermetroid]

Dana is calling for the NV Governor to step in.

“The governor needs to step in and fix the incompetence that is happening in the state of Nevada that used to be the best commission in the world,” said White following the event. “It’s absolutely, 100 percent incompetence, and it needs to stop.”

“Does anybody here think that Johny Hendricks didn’t win the fight?. I’m blown away that Georges St-Pierre won that fight. And listen, I’m a promoter. He’s the biggest pay-per-view star on the f---ing planet for me, and I still don’t think he won that fight.

“I want what’s fair, and that wasn’t fair. I think the Nevada State Athletic Commission is atrocious. I think the governor needs to step in immediately before these guys destroy the sport like they did boxing.”

The only terrible decision in a big boxing event this year was Bradley-Pac, the UFC usually has one every event. And the UFC has been on a decline while Mayweather-Canelo broke the record for most money generated this year. I agree with Dana about the judging but boxing is head and shoulders above MMA as a sport. Chael getting a shot at Jon Jones proves my point.

 

[mutant-man]

The sham decisions only reflect the sham marketing and matchmaking of the UFC. Anyway, I hope GSP rides off into the sunset with his health and legacy intact. He's one of the best ever and showed his heart last night.

 

[a2themonster]

Damage is scored by using the word "effective." Effective striking is supposed to trump number of strikes.

Being in the centre and pushing forward sounds more like a definition of aggression.

Octagon control refers to determining the pace and position of the fight.

no damage isn't effective striking..effective striking refers to punches landed..yes 1 punch that drops someone is more impactful than say 3 jabs, however only in round 2 was gsp really damaged imo..yes hendricks hit hard and yes gsp face looked awful..but round 1 imo is a clear definition and example as to why he wins that round…gsp pushed the tempo, landed more punches, and pressed the action…if gsp is outworking hendricks for 3 minutes of a round, then hendricks lands one or 2 good punches, he doesn't win the round and that 5 seconds of 'heavier' offense doesn't negate nor should it 3 + minutes of accurate striking, being the aggressor, etc…when they were standing for the first round johnnnys game plan was to counter punch and catch him (which worked for him in the second round)…however he didn't land like that in the first round and while he was trying to counter punch, gsp was landing jabs, pushing the action, etc…its a clear win imo for gsp in rounds 1 and 3, and 5 is so clearly gsp's round that if you're arguing hendricks to have that round id be wasting my time

 

[Devil_666]

The only terrible decision in a big boxing event this year was Bradley-Pac, the UFC usually has one every event.

So you're only comparing "big boxing events" to every single UFC event? Yeah.. that makes sense.

And the UFC has been on a decline while Mayweather-Canelo broke the record for most money generated this year.

And? How much money are other Boxers making/generating? Peanuts compared to the UFC. The majority of prize fighters in boxing aren't making Mayweather/Pacquiao money. Not even remotely close.

I agree with Dana about the judging but boxing is head and shoulders above MMA as a sport. Chael getting a shot at Jon Jones proves my point.

Oh.. now it makes sense. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Chael was a late replacement. And he got the fight after both Machida and Shogun turned the opportunity down. Same reason Belfort got a LHW title shot; all the other "worthy" contenders declined.

Boxing makes up belts out of thin air just to have title fights. Each division has 5+ title belts.

And as far as the judging: The UFC doesn't employ/pick the judges. The commission of whatever state they're fighting in does.

 

[Tornadoflame]

It wasn't a sham decision. Round to round comparison, it could have went either way. The problem lies in that MMA uses boxing scoring and maybe that should be changed.

And overall, MMA fighters make infinitely more than boxers on all levels. No comparison.

 

[BadMuthaDude]

no damage isn't effective striking..effective striking refers to punches landed..yes 1 punch that drops someone is more impactful than say 3 jabs, however only in round 2 was gsp really damaged imo..yes hendricks hit hard and yes gsp face looked awful..but round 1 imo is a clear definition and example as to why he wins that round…gsp pushed the tempo, landed more punches, and pressed the action…if gsp is outworking hendricks for 3 minutes of a round, then hendricks lands one or 2 good punches, he doesn't win the round and that 5 seconds of 'heavier' offense doesn't negate nor should it 3 + minutes of accurate striking, being the aggressor, etc…when they were standing for the first round johnnnys game plan was to counter punch and catch him (which worked for him in the second round)…however he didn't land like that in the first round and while he was trying to counter punch, gsp was landing jabs, pushing the action, etc…its a clear win imo for gsp in rounds 1 and 3, and 5 is so clearly gsp's round that if you're arguing hendricks to have that round id be wasting my time

Revisions to the unified rules of mma in 2012 include:

3.) The term "damage" will no longer be used as a descriptor when discussing the scoring of a round. It will be replaced by "effective".

Clarifications to definitions of terms include:

1.) "Effective Striking" - Heavier strikes that have a visible impact on the opponent will be given more weight than the number of strikes landed.

 

[a2themonster]

It wasn't a sham decision. Round to round comparison, it could have went either way. The problem lies in that MMA uses boxing scoring and maybe that should be changed.

And overall, MMA fighters make infinitely more than boxers on all levels. No comparison.

mma fighters make no where near what boxers make…at all…one of the top guys in ufc, gsp made 12 mil in a year..total, from endorsements, ufc salary etc…compare that to canelo alvarez, who was just challenging for a belt or what have you, he made 12 mil in one fight…like its no comparison … google it if u don't believe me

 

[a2themonster]

Revisions to the unified rules of mma in 2012 include:

3.) The term "damage" will no longer be used as a descriptor when discussing the scoring of a round. It will be replaced by "effective".

Clarifications to definitions of terms include:

1.) "Effective Striking" - Heavier strikes that have a visible impact on the opponent will be given more weight than the number of strikes landed.

this is copied directly from the ufc website that describes the scoring criteria that was used in the fight we are talking about ( it isn't all of it, just the relevant portion)

a)All bouts will be evaluated and scored by 3 judges who shall evaluate the contest from different location around the ring/fighting area. The referee may not be one of the 3 judges.
The 10-Point Must System will be the standard system of scoring a bout. Under the 10-Point Must Scoring System, 10 points must be awarded to the winner of the round and 9 points or less must be awarded to the loser, except for a rare even round, which is scored (10-10).
Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense.
Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear in (c) above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense.
Effective striking is judged by determining the total number of legal strikes landed by a contestant.
Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active threatening guard.
Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider are countering a grappler's attempt at takedown by remaining standing and legally striking, taking down an opponent to force a ground fight, creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to achieve mount, and creating striking opportunities.
Effective aggressiveness means moving forward and landing a legal strike.

as i said, was more effective; theres no way to judge damage..yea his face can look bad but everybody bruises differently and what have you, thats why damage isn't used as the primary focal point when scoring...

 

[BadMuthaDude]

The ufc site is out of date. Note that they still have effective defence listed which has since been dropped. Furthermore, causing damage doesn't have to mean swelling and cuts. Making a fighter do the stanky leg can be construed as damaging, or "effective" striking.

 

[wanderlai]

I liked the Pride scoring system. If you sucked the Yakuza had a talk with you.

 

[a2themonster]

The ufc site is out of date. Note that they still have effective defence listed which has since been dropped. Furthermore, causing damage doesn't have to mean swelling and cuts. Making a fighter do the stanky leg can be construed as damaging, or "effective" striking.

right, which is why hendricks clearly won the 2nd…there was no "stanky leg" in any other round, especially the first uk...

 

[Devil_666]

mma fighters make no where near what boxers make…at all…one of the top guys in ufc, gsp made 12 mil in a year..total, from endorsements, ufc salary etc…compare that to canelo alvarez, who was just challenging for a belt or what have you, he made 12 mil in one fight…like its no comparison … google it if u don't believe me

You're missing the point. We're talking about MMA fighters and Boxers as a whole. Besides like 5 guys in boxing who are making bank, the majority of boxers fighting today are making considerably less than the majority of MMA fighters. I guarantee you can't name 30 boxers who made 50K or more last year/who will make 50K or more this year. I can easily name 30 MMA fighters who have.

That's the difference.

 

[Tornadoflame]

mma fighters make no where near what boxers make…at all…one of the top guys in ufc, gsp made 12 mil in a year..total, from endorsements, ufc salary etc…compare that to canelo alvarez, who was just challenging for a belt or what have you, he made 12 mil in one fight…like its no comparison … google it if u don't believe me

You're just mentioning top draws. Top draws in boxing is a HUGE gap. 90% of boxers get paid peanuts. Literally. Let's talk undercard PPV fighters. Not even undercard Showtime and HBO fighters. Not even ESPN undercard. We can talk about main events involving Arreola and Pavlik. We can talk about Sergio and Ward. After 40% taxes, then paying the promoters, and training partners they have nothing. They don't even make Melvin Guillard money. They don't even make Chris Leben money.

 

[pturtle]

Boxing is the better sport!!!! UFC guys certainly don’t make as much. I still remember James Toney fight on UFC he made more than everyone on that card and he was not even relevant in boxing at that time.

 

[pturtle]

You're just mentioning top draws. Top draws in boxing is a HUGE gap. 90% of boxers get paid peanuts. Literally. Let's talk undercard PPV fighters. Not even undercard Showtime and HBO fighters. Not even ESPN undercard. We can talk about main events involving Arreola and Pavlik. We can talk about Sergio and Ward. After 40% taxes, then paying the promoters, and training partners they have nothing. They don't even make Melvin Guillard money. They don't even make Chris Leben money.

Andre Ward just got paid 2.1 million last night, and Edwin Rodriguez made 1 mil, these are guys who have never headlined a ppv. Boxers don’t get paid as little as people expect.

 

[Tornadoflame]

Boxing is the better sport!!!! UFC guys certainly don’t make as much. I still remember James Toney fight on UFC he made more than everyone on that card and he was not even relevant in boxing at that time.

I think boxing is the better sport, but most boxers are fighting for free. To be honest with you, most fighters period are fighting for free. Before the Eddie Alvarez incident, Benson Henderson wasn't making much at all and he was champion. Still making more than most Top Rank fighters.

 

[pturtle]

You're missing the point. We're talking about MMA fighters and Boxers as a whole. Besides like 5 guys in boxing who are making bank, the majority of boxers fighting today are making considerably less than the majority of MMA fighters. I guarantee you can't name 30 boxers who made 50K or more last year/who will make 50K or more this year. I can easily name 30 MMA fighters who have.

That's the difference.

I can easily name more than 30. I think you forget about all the European fighters who do major numbers in their country. Guys that fight in Canada get paid huge amounts of money. Boxing is global and Europeans are doing great business, whether you heard of these guys are not.