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abnpredator said:
3 hours of my life I'll never get back..
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Maybe this movie is more up your alley...

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Shai Hulud said:
You guys should read Moore's Miracleman Run.....Even Better than Watchmen IMO.
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I really wish they could solve the legal issues with that series so they could reprint the trades . . . It's such a good series . . I want to be able to lend it out to people . . .
 
I think there's a little something more to what Hulksmashed is arguing than you guys are giving him credit for.

iirc (and I'm prepared to be corrected on this), Watchmen was supposed to be six issues and all the Doc Manhattan stuff was added when DC asked for the story to be stretched to 12.

I kinda agree that the plot can get along just fine without Manhattan, but he does add a lot to atmosphere of the story and does add a lot to the Soviet / US tensions.
 
Kabukiman said:
I think there's a little something more to what Hulksmashed is arguing than you guys are giving him credit for.

iirc (and I'm prepared to be corrected on this), Watchmen was supposed to be six issues and all the Doc Manhattan stuff was added when DC asked for the story to be stretched to 12.

I kinda agree that the plot can get along just fine without Manhattan, but he does add a lot to atmosphere of the story and does add a lot to the Soviet / US tensions.
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Finally someone that understands what I mean! haha. I think everyone believes Im against Dr. Manhatten! which I'm not at all. I think he's a really interesting character!
 
Hulksmashed said:
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Finally someone that understands what I mean! haha. I think everyone believes Im against Dr. Manhatten! which I'm not at all. I think he's a really interesting character!
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Wait... so you are saying you hate Dr. Manhattan? You must, because you haven't spelled his name right this whole thread. :tap

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Without having read the novel, I think maybe theres a chance that the film simply failed on executing Dr. Manahattan properly.

He kinda fell flat for me. I understood he had God like powers, but didn't really feel his motivation (or lack of motivation). He seemed like a omnipotent weed smoker.
 
ProgMatinee said:
Without having read the novel, I think maybe theres a chance that the film simply failed on executing Dr. Manahattan properly.

He kinda fell flat for me. I understood he had God like powers, but didn't really feel his motivation (or lack of motivation). He seemed like a omnipotent weed smoker.
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Leave him alone, man. He was high on tachyons. :google
 
ProgMatinee said:
Without having read the novel, I think maybe theres a chance that the film simply failed on executing Dr. Manahattan properly.

He kinda fell flat for me. I understood he had God like powers, but didn't really feel his motivation (or lack of motivation). He seemed like a omnipotent weed smoker.
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that was basically how the graphic novel portrayed him to be honest. It wasnt accidental though. The idea is that no human could possibly understand his motivations. As said in the book in some way....we can no more understand his motivations then an ant can understand humanities.
 
ProgMatinee said:
Without having read the novel, I think maybe theres a chance that the film simply failed on executing Dr. Manahattan properly.

He kinda fell flat for me. I understood he had God like powers, but didn't really feel his motivation (or lack of motivation). He seemed like a omnipotent weed smoker.
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He doesnt care about humanity....he has no motivation.
 
Wow, I drank a lot when watching it, cause I'm having a hard time remember how the movie ended. LOL.
 
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ProgMatinee said:
Without having read the novel, I think maybe theres a chance that the film simply failed on executing Dr. Manahattan properly.

He kinda fell flat for me. I understood he had God like powers, but didn't really feel his motivation (or lack of motivation). He seemed like a omnipotent weed smoker.
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After Dr. Manhattans creation a news broadcast claims "The Super Heroe exists and he is American". That line is tongue in cheek. It points out that human beings always put things in human terms. Because he was created in America and used to be American...he has to be American. They assumed human problems mattered to him, because human problems mattered to them. It spoke about the arrogance of humanity. It points out the lack of understanding that exists in human definitions. Hence, the majority of the Manhattan related material in the book was all about the fact that no human can understand a God's motivations.

Edit: Im by no means critisizing your opinion of Manhatten. Im agreeing with you. He does fall a little flat because of how he is intended to be portrayed. I have to say I got more of that slipping from humanity feel from the book then the movie.
 
Hulksmashed said:
The same story could have been told without his existence. In other words, if you read the Graphic Novel and he DIDNT exist...you would'nt sit there at the end thinking...hmm, this story was lacking a God-Like character that lacked action because he was so far above humanity.
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I suppose you could cut Laurie and Dan too, and everything else that isn't Rorschach finding out that Ozy killed Comedian. :huh But most stories can be boiled down to 3 characters.

I completely disagree that the film ending was stronger.
 
Yeah, I'm not arguing the character. I'm saying he felt a bit unnecessary (from the movie perspective). I totally understand the allegory personally, but the film makers could really have spelled out that allegory better.

Lets say there are 2 documentaries with the same footage.

Film1)
An eagle flying over the ground where 2 snakes are fighting and the eagle flys away.

The narrator says, "an eagle just flew over the snakes."

Film2)

An eagle flying over the ground where 2 snakes are fighting and the eagle flys away.

The narrator says, "the eagle decides to leave the snakes to their fates".

Exact same thing happened, but the second description leave you with a better understanding of the eagle.

I felt Dr Manhattan could have been missing from the story with only minor difference to the story.
 
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CelticP said:
"I can change almost anything....but I can't change human nature..."
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That goes to that joke from the Incredibles:

No matter how many times you save the world, it always manages to get back in jeopardy again. Sometimes I just want it to stay saved! You know, for a little bit? I feel like the maid; I just cleaned up this mess! Can we keep it clean for... for ten minutes!
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You see, Superman knowing he can't change human nature would still run in full force and save it. Manhattan knows even if he stops this conflict that another would simply rise in its place so decides its just not worth his time.

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Pretend though, for a second that Manhatten had never been written into the graphic novel. In other words you can't argue FOR Dr. Manhatten because you have no knowledge of him at all.

The same story could have been told without his existence. In other words, if you read the Graphic Novel and he DIDNT exist...you would'nt sit there at the end thinking...hmm, this story was lacking a God-Like character that lacked action because he was so far above humanity.
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This is where I think you are absolutely 100% wrong. The same story couldn't have. Remove Manhattan from the book. Its his technology and help that allows Adrian to create the squid. Its also because he has to rid himself of Manhattan that he goes through the charade. The entire focus of the world is on whether Manhattan causes cancer or whether Manhattan can be trusted so he continues his work unfettered. If you remove Manhattan what does the world focus on? Where does Veidt get the technological advances? It would be a completely different novel altogether. The Comedian would have died, Veidt would have staged the assassination attempt but for what? You have to remember that half the technological advances are credited to Dr. Manhattan and without them the smartest man on the planet would still be the smartest man having to figure out another angle. My argument is not that Manhattan's action or inactions are his only focal and that he is just background fodder, I'm telling you that without him there would be no plan. Essentially no character can be removed and tell the same story.
 
Entropy Chicken said:
I suppose you could cut Laurie and Dan too, and everything else that isn't Rorschach finding out that Ozy killed Comedian. :huh But most stories can be boiled down to 3 characters.

I completely disagree that the film ending was stronger.
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Well you can't really compare Laurie and Dan to Manhattan. I mean its a world of Batman like super heroes with realistic war scenerios and human flaws. Then there is Dr. Manhattan. You don't have to be Einstein to play "Which one Doesnt Belong". I can't say it enough...I like Dr. Manhatten. He deserves an entire story all to himself.
 

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