WHy Celtic Predator so much

[thenammagazine]

I don't flinch. I've accepted $400 as a good deal for an HT Pred. Add shipping to that, and it's still to be expected. What's more, it can be done. Especially for a Chopper.

Excuse me for trying to snag a better price for these, and it has happened in the past. I got my BD P2 for $275 shipped just this last January. Box was in perfect condition, figure was never put together, and it was some super-fast priority shippin'.

Just because I mentioned I liked NECA's Wolf, doesn't mean that's the only thing I collect. Sure, NECA and HT at opposite ends of the price spectrum, but do they look good? Yeah. Do they blow McF's out of the water? IMO, yeah.
So now, I've got a running collection of one of each Alien/Pred-related fig NECA has made, and can't wait to get some original movie Preds to be in-scale with my AVP-R and classic Aliens. But like I said, I also try to collect one HT fig from each from my fave Pred designs.

Honestly, that comment of yours leads me to believe that perhaps you don't understand a few things, either.
As a result of your annoyance with newcomers who are shocked by some of these prices, you are now judging things from the perspective of status. You may not have said it quite like that, but the gist was "If you can't handle it, just go on over to TRU and look for clearance deals on cheap items that anyone can easily get. Go big or go home, etc. etc." Well first of all, that's a no-no. Because you don't even know these people. They may indulge in multiple figure lines, each with their own values. Don't be upset with them just because they want to hold on more tightly to their money and try to find a better deal, especially if it's been proven possible.

I.E, there are high-end collectors, and low-end collectors. I (as well as many others) enjoy items from both categories. They all look nice, serve a different purpose, there are different figures from each, and they cater to different wants.
So just buy what makes you happy, and if you can find a price that makes you happy too, by all means go for it. I'm not saying offer a ridiculously low amount for something that's WAY more valuable, but if history has taught you that it's possible to get it cheaper, strive to find that price point.

PS: Verbal21, that is a rockingly ideal display. Love it. Everything you need, nothing you don't. Perfect for me, minus that Wolf... who actually looks quite badass in that photo lol.

I think you took something personal that was meant to be a general statement.

I'm talking about the baby birds that demand a cheaper price and expect it. I'm talking about those who ridiculously defend an absurd comparison because they're too cheap to drop cash on the high-end collectible they're comparing the low-end to. I'm talking about the people who pigeonhole a seller for asking fair market value for a high-end collectible. As well as those who think they're entitled to things just because they don't want to pay what something's worth. These are the types of people who need to stick to the clearance isle at TRU. Now, personally, I own everything. An example would be from the Mezco 3 3/4" New Line guys all the way up to their Sideshow PF interpretations. Or Hasbro's 3 3/4" Star Wars all the way up to movie props. But I'm real about what I collect. Yeah, a $30 Schwarzenegger can be worth every penny but don't sell me the idea that he not only belongs on the same shelf as the high-ends but looks better. Now, hopefully you got the gist of what I meant.

 

[Rotfish]

All right, then. Sorry about the confusion; you kind of played the "NECA at TRU" card right after I mentioned NECA, so I was thinking it was partially directed at me.

Sorry about that, man. I agree with your points, but my position still stands on looking for a price that may not be the highest on the market, but is still reasonable and has been proven.

 

[Jaycepticon]

PS: Verbal21, that is a rockingly ideal display. Love it. Everything you need, nothing you don't. Perfect for me, minus that Wolf... who actually looks quite badass in that photo lol.

thanks, and I would really love to get some kind of Youngblood Pred from your sig. Neca or HT, I don't care, I just really like his design and he belongs on my shelf somewhere asap

 

[Rotfish]

thanks, and I would really love to get some kind of Youngblood Pred from your sig. Neca or HT, I don't care, I just really like his design and he belongs on my shelf somewhere asap

Well, Tankman said he'd like to make some NECA figs based on the game... Mostly the Praetorian and Predalien, but we could suggest Preds too.

 

[a-dev]

I'm talking about those who ridiculously defend an absurd comparison because they're too cheap to drop cash on the high-end collectible they're comparing the low-end to. .

I couldn't be sure this was a referance to me and my examinations of the NECA T-800 and the Hot Toys T-800 but then you said this-

Yeah, a $30 Schwarzenegger can be worth every penny but don't sell me the idea that he not only belongs on the same shelf as the high-ends but looks better. Now, hopefully you got the gist of what I meant.

Good on you, continuing to ignore the real motivations and points established in yesterdays debate in the T-800 thread. Its convenient for you that way I'm not going to go over it again because obviously you're firmly set in your thoughts - other than to say that I buy both high end and low end collectibles - rather than making me cheap I believe that would suggest I'm more willing to fork out the cash than you

 

[Jaycepticon]

Well, Tankman said he'd like to make some NECA figs based on the game... Mostly the Praetorian and Predalien, but we could suggest Preds too.

If a petition is what it takes, I'll gladly add my name, but I'm pretty confident that if a line where to come out for that game, the main Pred would be a no brainer....hopefully

 

[thenammagazine]

Good on you, continuing to ignore the real motivations and points established in yesterdays debate in the T-800 thread. Its convenient for you that way I'm not going to go over it again because obviously you're firmly set in your thoughts - other than to say that I buy both high end and low end collectibles - rather than making me cheap I believe that would suggest I'm more willing to fork out the cash than you

Look at what I wrote. I collect pretty much everything. To me, it wasn't worth dropping money on the NECA T-800. IMO, the sculpted clothes are a fail, the fact that his eyes are so far apart he looks retarded added to the fact that the sculpt looks like it was dropped in sand while the pink face paint was still wet, kept me from buying it. Those cons outweighed any pros the toy might've had. If you bought it, which you did, and it floats your boat, hey, go sailing. It's not for me and isn't in any way, IMO, superior to the HT T-800. You gotta take into account the finished products, not ignore certain aspects to win an argument. That's naive and half-assed. Comparing the two, side-by-side, HT's T-800 will win every single time, to any rational thinking collector.

 

[Wanderer]

I had 6 Celtics at one time a year ago, the best Bio of them all....

... And now you live on your own private island off the money you made selling 'em...

 

[Rotfish]

... And now you live on your own private island off the money you made selling 'em...

lol, Well-said.

@Thenammagazine: Apparently I'm not the only one who got specific vibes from those comments... Once again, not saying you don't have a point (because you do), but it seems you were too quick to drop the hammer on the "baby birds" to take into account the rest of us who fit into the different categories. Even though our range of collecting can be big, we have different budgets, due to what it is we specialize in. Some collect from both ends, some don't, some collect figures only, some collect statues (which are obviously more expensive in nature, so the argument fades there -- and this is why you, for instance would have a bigger budget; because since it's your thing, you'd be used to spending that amount), some collect art prints.
Plus, you were discussing a polystone PF. I don't find $400 for a well-made polystone piece too much. True, it has increased in price, but it's still a statue. IMO, quite worth it.
These are... figures. More conditions come into play here (especially since they're customizable and can be taken apart). Just saying, even though HT is worth it, you can't exactly compare the two.

As for the disagreement on the T-800, you're in the right when saying if it floats his boat, go sailing. But so what if he thinks it's worthy of being displayed next to HT? Even if you don't see it that way, it's personal taste! I've seen some god-awful HT figs that have been bested by something that cost $100 less. That last thing you wrote basically proves that this has turned into a personal preference thing. You at first fought against that idea, but your very last sentence is biased (no matter how many people agree with it). Sure, HT's looks awesome, but so what if not everyone sees it that way?

 

[thenammagazine]

lol, Well-said.

@Thenammagazine: Apparently I'm not the only one who got specific vibes from those comments... Once again, not saying you don't have a point (because you do), but it seems you were too quick to drop the hammer on the "baby birds" to take into account the rest of us who fit into the different categories. Even though our range of collecting can be big, we have different budgets, due to what it is we specialize in. Some collect from both ends, some don't, some collect figures only, some collect statues (which are obviously more expensive in nature, so the argument fades there -- and this is why you, for instance would have a bigger budget; because since it's your thing, you'd be used to spending that amount), some collect art prints.
Plus, you were discussing a polystone PF. I don't find $400 for a well-made polystone piece too much. True, it has increased in price, but it's still a statue. IMO, quite worth it.
These are... figures. More conditions come into play here (especially since they're customizable and can be taken apart). Just saying, even though HT is worth it, you can't exactly compare the two.

As for the disagreement on the T-800, you're in the right when saying if it floats his boat, go sailing. But so what if he thinks it's worthy of being displayed next to HT? Even if you don't see it that way, it's personal taste! I've seen some god-awful HT figs that have been bested by something that cost $100 less. That last thing you wrote basically proves that this has turned into a personal preference thing. You fought against that idea, but your very last sentence is biased (no matter how many people agree). Sure, HT's looks awesome, but so what if not everyone sees it that way?

I'm looking at both realistically. Looking at the bolded comment, who'd be the biased one? Both are in two completely different leagues and shouldn't even really be compared. The point I was making in the other thread is that the fanboys somehow want to justify the lesser being better (much in the same light as a certain individual who's been banned and popped up again and again, but to a less extreme extent). Realistically, that's not the case. One is a $30 figure and it shows. The other is a $165 figure, and it shows. So the argument then proceeded into dissecting the NECA to look at "certain elements" to justify the claim, "the cheekbones are better, so it's a better sculpt overall." And I'm saying that's a BS tactic. When comparing something it's the overall, the whole enchilada. The differences are so far apart that any realistic and fair comparison is absurd.

At any rate, this is off topic. I was done with that thread because it's like trying to explain advanced physics to the lobotomized. Bottom line, it seems here like people are trying to nitpick the Celtic to make him somehow not justifiable of the price he's fetching. My point here is he's worth every penny and if you don't want to pay it, don't start badmouthing people because they won't take a clown's offer. Also, let me reiterate, not once have I said you'd never find one for $400. As a matter of fact, I posted the opposite. But that doesn't mean he isn't worth the $600 he's fetching now.

 

[Rotfish]

I'm looking at both realistically. Looking at the bolded comment, who'd be the biased one? Both are in two completely different leagues and shouldn't even really be compared ... The differences are so far apart that any realistic and fair comparison is absurd.

I'm starting to think that maybe you're one of those guys that can't stand displaying two figures from NECA and HT together (examples), just because they're from different ends of the collecting spectrum and the difference in detail and brand causes a conflict that is too much to bear. Sure, you may collect both, but putting them together is like, unheard of!
SSF has had a ton of discussions over this kind of collecting before, and after that heavily-biased comment on the T-800 (in which you smacked down a fellow collector for *shudder* thinking a NECA fig was actually good, while half-heartedly making it sound apologetic), I think I'm getting closer to the right ballpark, no?

Oh by the way, when I stated HT's looked awesome, I was looking at it from your POV. Why? Because you yourself seem to favor one over the other, and, like I wrote above, tore NECA's version a new one, when it's clearly at a different price point -- which you said, but there doesn't seem to be a way to really make your argument, without going against your own points.

At any rate, this is off topic. I was done with that thread because it's like trying to explain advanced physics to the lobotomized.

Yeah, nice save.

 

[thenammagazine]

I'm starting to think that maybe you're one of those guys that can't stand displaying two figures from NECA and HT together (examples), just because they're from different ends of the collecting spectrum and the difference in detail and brand causes a conflict that is too much to bear. Sure, you may collect both, but putting them together is like, unheard of!
SSF has had a ton of discussions over this kind of collecting before, and after that heavily-biased comment on the T-800 (in which you smacked down a fellow collector for *shudder* thinking a NECA fig was actually good, while half-heartedly making it sound apologetic), I think I'm getting closer to the right ballpark, no?

Oh by the way, when I stated HT's looked awesome, I was looking at it from your POV. Why? Because you yourself seem to favor one over the other, and, like I wrote above, tore NECA's version a new one, when it's clearly at a different price point -- which you said, but there doesn't seem to be a way to really make your argument, without going against your own points.



Yeah, nice save.

Okay, for the cheap seats, I would not ever compare this garbage:

With this:

That's all I am saying. Stop trying to work it into anything more than that. There is such a substantial difference in just about every aspect of quality that any comparison is absurd.

 

[Rotfish]

I get what you're saying, but you bashed someone for having their own opinion/preference. Then you justified it with a few pictures which is cool, but called what they favored "garbage." You're still making a comparison, even though you don't want to.
Like I said, there doesn't seem to be a way to make the argument.

In any case, this actually is off-topic. My point is you say you collect from both ends, but you are so biased towards one, that all of the "advice" you give is based solely around that. Then the newcomers (while they do sometimes offer much too little) run into arguments like this. If it gets 'em to step up to the plate and buy, good for them. If not, who can blame 'em? We're talking about a lot of money being sunk into something with a price composed of mostly hype and fan-interest.
It's a wonder you really do indulge in Mezco and things like that, when it's obvious in the end, you can't seem to stand it.

 

[thenammagazine]

I get what you're saying, but you bashed someone for having their own opinion/preference. Then you justified it with a few pictures which is cool, but called what they favored "garbage." You're still making a comparison, even though you don't want to.
Like I said, there doesn't seem to be a way to make the argument.

In any case, this actually is off-topic. My point is you say you collect from both ends, but you are so biased towards one, that all of the "advice" you give is based solely around that. Then the newcomers (while they do sometimes offer much too little) run into arguments like this. If it gets 'em to step up to the plate and buy, good for them. If not, who can blame 'em? We're talking about a lot of money being sunk into something with a price composed of mostly hype and fan-interest.
It's a wonder you really do indulge in Mezco and things like that, when it's obvious in the end, you can't seem to stand it.

No, I'm not biased toward high-end vs. low-end. I collect it all. I'm just not so naive as to compare the two. How ____ing difficult is that for you to comprehend?

EDIT: Let me define for you what I refer to as garbage to give you an example of what I mean. Sideshow's Indy is far from garbage, but Hasbro's is. If my daughter grabs the Sideshow Indy, I go ape____ and rush over to take it out of her hands before she does any damage. However, I don't mind if my daughter picks up the Hasbro Indy I own and plays with it. If it breaks, it's easily replaceable and didn't cost me much to begin with. It's a "throwaway" toy and therefore garbage. I would never dare to compare the Hasbro Indy with Sideshows because there is such a substantial difference in quality that it'd be absurd. Hopefully this sheds some light onto what I'm talking about.

 

[Rotfish]

I understand your point. The important thing to remember is that NECA is not technically a "throwaway" toy. They are still collectibles. Granted, lower-end collectibles, but collectibles nonetheless. So if a collector enjoys them and treats them as more than you think they're worth, what does that matter to you?
I have a lineup of all of NECA's Alien and AVP-R stuff so far. They look pretty darn cool, and believe it or not, if I had a daughter, I would go ape____ if she grabbed one of 'em and started messing around with it.
The bottom line is basically what I said in the third sentence. Suppose someone is "naive" enough to compare apples to oranges. So be it. Why do you care?
This convo has gone on quite a bit, so I apologize to Johnnyr for that. Like I said though, just turn the other cheek, and collect what you want, rather than going against someone for feeling differently about an item than you do.

 

[prefused]

jesus ____ing christ. how is this topic still going?
the whole scalpers vs collectards thing is so old and pointless.
just agree to disagree and go back to ebay. this is getting beyond stupid.



oh dammit, i just bumped it up again.

 

[thenammagazine]

I understand your point. The important thing to remember is that NECA is not technically a "throwaway" toy. They are still collectibles. Granted, lower-end collectibles, but collectibles nonetheless. So if a collector enjoys them and treats them as more than you think they're worth, what does that matter to you?
I have a lineup of all of NECA's Alien and AVP-R stuff so far. They look pretty darn cool, and believe it or not, if I had a daughter, I would go ape____ if she grabbed one of 'em and started messing around with it.
The bottom line is basically what I said in the third sentence. Suppose someone is "naive" enough to compare apples to oranges. So be it. Why do you care?
This convo has gone on quite a bit, so I apologize to Johnnyr for that. Like I said though, just turn the other cheek, and collect what you want, rather than going against someone for feeling differently about an item than you do.

 

[Rotfish]

Here's what I'm hearing -- "Heh, heh, he actually thinks NECA is good, what a loser... Oh, by the way I'm not biased."

I won't say much because that smiley thing speaks for itself... except for this: NECA figures are collectibles. God forbid someone enjoys something that both looks cool and is affordable. Oh, yeah. Hilarious. Ha ha ha. Where on Earth is the logic in that? He must be crazy! I'm tempted to ask how you could call yourself a collector, dismissing McF or NECA like that, but that's not necessary here.

Seriously, you might as well have given me the rasberry, and it would've had the same exact impact.

 

[thenammagazine]

Here's what I'm hearing. "Heh, heh, he actually thinks NECA is good, what a loser... Oh, by the way I'm not biased."

I won't say much because that smiley thing speaks for itself... except for this: NECA figures are collectibles. God forbid someone enjoys something that both looks cool and is affordable. Oh, yeah. Hilarious. Ha ha ha. Where on Earth is the logic in that? He must be crazy!

Seriously, you might as well have given me the rasberry, and it would've had the same exact impact.

You removed the "dare I say Hasbro is garbage compared to Neca" part of your post. Should've kept it because IMO, they're both garbage. But I'm guessing, you realized that. Anyway, you've proved my point. You can't teach quantum physics to the lobotomized.

But hey, you go right ahead lowballing sellers and then calling them flippers and scalpers when they won't sell their stuff to you for ghetto offers while trying to pimp your NECA & McFarlane garbage for top dollar.

 

[Rotfish]

You removed the "dare I say Hasbro is garbage compared to Neca" part of your post. Should've kept it because IMO, they're both garbage. But I'm guessing, you realized that. Anyway, you've proved my point. You can't teach quantum physics to the lobotomized.

But hey, you go right ahead lowballing sellers and then calling them flippers and scalpers when they won't sell their stuff to you for ghetto offers while trying to pimp your NECA & McFarlane garbage for top dollar.

I never said I was lowballing anyone. They're good figures, they look nice, and they're cheap. I'm gonna do it. That's right, I'm gonna do it:

How dare you call yourself a collector!?

Ahh... there we go. And BTW, Hasbro is for playing. NECA is for collecting. Still doesn't make sense to compare. But you're so biased that anything mainstream is immediately considered bad.
So you shoot down not one, but two NECA fans on this thread (and believe me there are plenty more on SSF), you bash a NECA figure for looking like crap compared to an HT fig (when the price difference is over $100), you're flipping around everything we've said when your argument has major holes too, you're directly insulting us for enjoying cheaper stuff that still looks good (even though we also collect more expensive things), and for lack of a better comeback, you bump the thread again with smilies when I kindly ask you to mind your own business and not worry if others don't share the same uptight views toward good figures as you (which is a very reasonable thing to ask, might I add).
But oh, it's the brand that matters. It's such things that make one item good and another bad. I feel compelled to wonder if those lower-end figures you said you had and liked are actually in the garbage or long-sold.

BTW, we should host a talkshow on this. It'll be a regular "Frost/Nixon" moment for us. Seriously .