WHy Celtic Predator so much

[thenammagazine]

I never said I was lowballing anyone. They're good figures, they look nice, and they're cheap. I'm gonna do it. That's right, I'm gonna do it:

How dare you call yourself a collector!?

Ahh... there we go. And BTW, Hasbro is for playing. NECA is for collecting. Still doesn't make sense to compare. But you're so biased that anything mainstream is immediately considered bad.
So you shoot down not one, but two NECA fans on this thread (and believe me there are plenty more on SSF), you bash a NECA figure for looking like crap compared to an HT fig (when the price difference is over $100), you're flipping around everything we've said when your argument has major holes too, you're directly insulting us for enjoying cheaper stuff that still looks good (even though we also collect more expensive things), and for lack of a better comeback, you bump the thread again with smilies when I kindly ask you to mind your own business and not worry if others don't share the same uptight views toward good figures as you (which is a very reasonable thing to ask, might I add).
But oh, it's the brand that matters. It's such things that make one item good and another bad. I feel compelled to wonder if those lower-end figures you said you had and liked are actually in the garbage or long-sold.

BTW, we should host a talkshow on this. It'll be a regular "Frost/Nixon" moment for us. Seriously .

And in the end, you still fail. I'm saying they should NOT be compared for EXACTLY THAT REASON. One is $30 and the other is $165. There's too much of a leap in quality to coincide the price tag of HT's for any fair comparison. You two are the incessant nags who're continually defending the comparison. I guess I'm gonna have to hit up a child book author so that I can word it in a way that gets you to understand that.

AND FYI, I was referring to you lowballing people for the high-end stuff while in your FS thread, trying to command top dollar for your garbage. Rather hypocritical in my book. But maybe that's just me.

 

[prefused]

 

[thenammagazine]

Maybe so, but not nearly as gay as...

 

[Rotfish]

And in the end, you still fail. I'm saying they should NOT be compared for EXACTLY THAT REASON. One is $30 and the other is $165. There's too much of a leap in quality to coincide the price tag of HT's for any fair comparison. You two are the incessant nags who're continually defending the comparison. I guess I'm gonna have to hit up a child book author so that I can word it in a way that gets you to understand that.

AND FYI, I was referring to you lowballing people for the high-end stuff while in your FS thread, trying to command top dollar for your garbage. Rather hypocritical in my book. But maybe that's just me.

Heh, heh... you still call them garbage though. If you looked at them without comparing to anything else, price-wise, detail-wise, NECA's pretty darn good. But that's impossible for you. You are still comparing, otherwise they'd look good in your book.
Why do so many people like those figures, hmm? If the first thing that pops into your head is "They're cheap" (lol, it probably just happened as you were reading), then you are sorely mistaken. I got an HT BD P2 in box mint for $275 shipped last month. It stung, but am I glad I got it? Totally. Was it the lowest price I could find? Yes. Where's the harm in that, then?

I'm not gonna get into discussing my sale thread now, but what I will say is that I have sold four items so far (including my 12" Scar). BTW, those prices I listed include shipping. Does getting a Harbinger for $35 + shipping sound top-dollar to you? Does a John Connor for $120 + shipping sound top-dollar to you? Nah, not really. But I know you'll bring up the other weirder figs I have there too, so I'll simply say they're not on eBay anymore and I paid more than what I'm asking.

BTW, $400 is not a ghetto asking price for an HT Pred. Good lord, didn't I say it's happened before? Look right now in the For Sale threads! Run a search. There's a used Chopper for $250, one for $280, and one that sold on eBay Sunday for $300! Get my drift?

Maybe so, but not nearly as gay as... (picture)

I don't think you're in the position to say anything. No one's gonna fall for it.


Look at it this way: What if none of us can make a point? Why bother? Why don't we stop worrying about other people's collecting?
If you can find a reason to post against the quite-reasonable questions I just asked, then it's clearly not about this little disagreement, anymore. I leave it to you.

 

[preeny101]

Maybe so, but not nearly as gay as...

Talk about predator...

 

[a-dev]

Now, personally, I own everything. An example would be from the Mezco 3 3/4" New Line guys all the way up to their Sideshow PF interpretations. Or Hasbro's 3 3/4" Star Wars all the way up to movie props.

Admittedly I somehow missed this despite referring to the post around it.

So the argument then proceeded into dissecting the NECA to look at "certain elements" to justify the claim, "the cheekbones are better, so it's a better sculpt overall." And I'm saying that's a BS tactic. When comparing something it's the overall, the whole enchilada. The differences are so far apart that any realistic and fair comparison is absurd.

You see this is where you continue to be wrong. The argument didn't "then proceed into the dissection of certain elements". That was the argument from beginning to end. And myself and Maulfan were fairly clear on that point in the other thread - you just don't care to see it that way. For some reason you have it in your head that I am saying the NECA is a better figure and that I'm then saying - ''heres why''. I have never said that and do not think it. The closest I've come to saying that is when I said 'I kinda wish Hot Toys had made his face longer like NECAs'. This is not a statement that I think NECAs figure is better than Hot Toys. But believe what you will.

The point I was making in the other thread is that the fanboys somehow want to justify the lesser being better (much in the same light as a certain individual who's been banned and popped up again and again, but to a less extreme extent).

Yeah he would say that NECAs is better. As for myself I have no reason to 'justify' one being better than the other because I am buying both.

I was done with that thread because it's like trying to explain advanced physics to the lobotomized.

You were the one who reignited that debate in the HT T-800 thread with a snide comment about what I'd posted in the NECA thread. You seemed to be under the impression I was saying the NECA was better than the Hot Toys and by the looks of it you still think that. Its like trying to explain advanced physics to the lobotomized....look what I did there!

 

[Balsquat]

NAM IN PWNING.
"We got skynet by the balls now"

Okay, for the cheap seats, I would not ever compare this garbage:

With this:

That's all I am saying. Stop trying to work it into anything more than that. There is such a substantial difference in just about every aspect of quality that any comparison is absurd.

 

[thenammagazine]

NAM IN PWNING.
"We got skynet by the balls now"

Pretty much. Perhaps they would find a better understanding among more "appropriate" collectors say, on the Spawn boards. Here, not so much.

 

[Balsquat]

I keep returning to this thread hoping to see some kick ass predator pics at any price range, I don't currently own any so I rely on you guys...Make it happen!

 

[Rotfish]

Oh, now you're calling me an inappropriate collector? Good lord, that's petty. It depends on your price range, what you're into, etc. MaulFan even said it here:
https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71220&page=102
Good quality figures at an affordable price.

 

[a-dev]

Pretty much. Perhaps they would find a better understanding among more "appropriate" collectors say, on the Spawn boards. Here, not so much.

A better understanding of what? The opinion you've convinced yourself that I have?

 

[karamazov80]

Not all that great, IMO. Certainly not compared to P1 Predator.

 

[Balsquat]

That is one awesome predator!

 

[Rotfish]

A better understanding of what? The opinion you've convinced yourself that I have?

THANK YOU!

@Balsquat: A cool pic I found:

...compared to...

^P!tu's old Celtic^

Seems the protoypes didn't have bendy hair, nor darker skin. The weave of the netting is also closer together. The straps are gone, too -- which is actually a good thing for assembly. But he still looks pretty...

The Celtic isn't the most detailed, being one of HT's first. I think it's the accessories and kit he comes with that ultimately sell the look. I'd like him more with the foggy lenses that some have repainted on theirs. Looks way cooler:

^SilentSurfer's Celtic^

 

[a-dev]

THANK YOU!

No no, thank you. Your own contribution to this debate has not been lost on me.

My problem here with Nam, just on this issue and some of his inflammatory comments like the 'lobotomized' thing, is that his whole argument is based on an opinion he has convinced himself that I have - when I have no such opinion at all. And no matter how many times I've tried to clarify this he continues to proceed on that same basis. All because in another thread I dared to take an objective look at the underlying headsculpts of both the Hot Toys T-800 and the NECA T-800 - where objective points can be made.

If I had compared the HT T-800 face only to a photograph of Arnie I would have drawn the same objective conclusion that I drew when looking at it against the NECA. Hot Toys have made his face a little too squat. Compare both figures back to an Arnie screengrab and this is apparent. It says nothing about what figure is better.

 

[CelticPredator]

I repainted my Celtic's eyes.

But if Nam wants to call NECA and McF garbage...let him. Who cares....

BUT, that being said, this is still my all time favorite figure.

 

[Rotfish]

No no, thank you. Your own contribution to this debate has not been lost on me.

My problem here with Nam, just on this issue and some of his inflammatory comments like the 'lobotomized' thing, is that his whole argument is based on an opinion he has convinced himself that I have - when I have no such opinion at all. And no matter how many times I've tried to clarify this he continues to proceed on that same basis. All because in another thread I dared to take an objective look at the underlying headsculpts of both the Hot Toys T-800 and the NECA T-800 - where objective points can be made.

If I had compared the HT T-800 face only to a photograph of Arnie I would have drawn the same objective conclusion that I drew when looking at it against the NECA. Hot Toys have made his face a little too squat. Compare both figures back to an Arnie screengrab and this is apparent. It says nothing about what figure is better.

So it's the basic shape of it. It has the right Arnold-ish feel, while HT has the crispness in detail. I see what you're drivin' at.
Same reason why I avoided the HT Wolf Pred. His mandibles were too skinny and puckered up. Also his head wasn't quite the right shape and came out looking like a raisin . Mehhhhh.... Wolf wasn't even a fave design of mine, so I saw no need to splurge on an expensive figure I don't really like.

@CelticP: Sometime in the future, you'll see your Celtic Pred appearing on TV as one of Fox New's Most Wanted.

One thing I wanna point out is HT's Celtic bio looks cooler than the movie version (and the SS lifesize replica) IMHO. They really stylized the overall shape and made those ports/holes/gears/whatever's on his cheeks bit bigger. Works well.

 

[CelticPredator]

Celtic is definately a sweet predator if you ask me. It's too bad that he is so expensive though. In order to get a Celtic relatively cheap I ended up getting a chopper predator and giving him a battle damaged mask from bobamike. Looks just as good as the original if you ask me.

THAT IS SO ____ING BOSS! WIN WIN WIN!!!1111 !

Glad to see you finally graduated:

*bows*

 

[prefused]

I repainted my Celtic's eyes.

But if Nam wants to call NECA and McF garbage...let him. Who cares....

BUT, that being said, this is still my all time favorite figure.

we can't repel blotchy paint apps of that magnitude!!

 

[CelticPredator]

Heh. Yeah, he had a lot of wear and tear at that point. But he's fixed now! Looks brand new!