X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Just as much as Cap, or anyone else we've seen thus far should be able to do. Guy can control time, space, matter. . .no one will have any effect on him from a physical standpoint.

Thanos doesn't really need the IG to beat the MCU lineup

 

[karamazov80]

I'm sure it will all hinge on Adam Warlock, and possibly Beta Ray Bill * * as a proxy for Silver Surfer. Though knowing the MCU, it may very well be Tony Stark who saves the day again somehow I'm guessing, realistically, that Dr. Strange and the Guardians of the Galaxy will play a key role.

 

[JAWS]

AoU outfit would at least allow me to watch the movie right now without cringing throughout. But he was still just "okay" in it. I think if the Hulk slammed Ultron around the way he did to Loki then you'd love AoU as much as Avengers. I did enjoy Avengers despite how Cap was handled because I figured that was as good as it was ever going to get so I turned a blind eye to its shortcomings. Once TWS came out I forsook it and never looked back.

Every once in a while I'll catch a few minutes of it on FX but it never holds my interest past a commercial break. It might be the second most important movie in the MCU, and I appreciate that it prompted Marvel to increase TWS's budget, but it doesn't really hold my interest anymore.

It would have helped .

The Russos took pains to give every superhero in Civil War their own arc and great moments in action. You could tell with The Avengers that all Whedon really cared about was Stark, the Hulk, and Black Widow. Cap, Hawkeye, and Thor were clearly afterthoughts.

I liked everyone more in Avengers then I did in AOU.

What I liked about Cap in the Avengers was some of his lines "There is only one God mam, and I am pretty sure he does not dress like that", taking control with the police and taking control of the Avengers team... "Hulk Smash" I loved him saving the people in the building when the alien bomb went off and he jumped up with his shield... Other scenes of him in the street doing "cap" things. Then there are the small conflicts with Tony and the great IM blasting caps shield to kill the aliens moment. I don't know. I like what they do with him more in that film then TFA. But that outfit is awful.... The jawline is cut so bad it makes him look fat. He sort of look like he did in TFA when he was raising funds for the troops.

CW is far superior to Avengers but I can only imagine what the Russo's will do to Hulk and Thor!

Let that sink in for a second...Russo's with Hulk and Thor in their arsenal!

Oh my khev....hold me.

Jaws head is going to explode!

You are not kidding... The way Russo's seem to get everything 110% right with all the characters... Man oh Man... giggle giggle... I can't wait!

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Captain Marvel might be a good substitute for Silver Surfer in IW.

Khev, leave my Avengers alone man. It's a good fun movie, let go of the hate. At least it's not the movie with "LANGUAGE".

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

At least it's not the movie with "LANGUAGE".

Captain Hydra approves bad language

 

[IrishJedi]

You are not kidding... The way Russo's seem to get everything 110% right with all the characters... Man oh Man... giggle giggle... I can't wait!

Not for nothing, but I think Civil War Rhodey is annoying as ****. In fact, it's another reason why I'm bummed that he wasn't properly killed off.

 

[JAWS]

What's goofy about Batman Begins third act? Only thing I really remember was Rachel and the taser thing with Scarecrow.

BB was a very realistic feeling film... Then the whole fear gas plot and the Fear gas effecting the CGI Narrows. Then You had Gordon driving the Batmobile which would be ok but it was borderline played for laughs. It just was not nearly as good as then rest of the film and it deserved a better ending. IMO

TWS went far more off the rails in my opinion, it borderline turned into a Michael Bay film.

But no stupid Michael Bay Humor... In defense of M. Bay his 13 Hours is about as good of a war film I have seen outside of Saving Private Ryan. Bay's Transformer films have some great action... they just tend to be ruined with his Juvenile Humor..

I guess my point is.. I have no issue with over the top action if done well and taken seriously. TWS pulled it off for the most part (except for Flacon jumping into the chopper Blah).

Having said all that... Yes the end of TWS is it's weakest part but it still has some great moments in that ending.

I've always hated the Avengers, it's just a very bad movie in my opinion. For movie that required the worlds greatest heroes to come together, it lacked urgency. I can understand enjoying it the first time watching it but once the novelty wears off from seeing all these heroes interact there's not much to enjoy.

Well we are just opposites there. I still find it fun and very entertaining.

Loki is the best MCU villain but not because of The Avengers, all of his greatness comes from Thor 1.

Loki is great in all the MCU films... Not just Thor 1. Personally I think he is better in Avengers then in Thor 1 because he had a better film to be the bad guy in.

I know SSF is anti-Nolan, but I just can't see how TFA is better than TDKR.

I am not anti Nolan. But man I really just don't like TDKR because it ruined the other two films. BB and TDK where almost perfect Batman films I loved what Nolan was doing. Making a Batman film as if it could really exist in todays world. But he always stayed true to the Batman in the comics. He blew all of the with TDKR... Even my 10 year old when he watched them all with me this year said after TDKR... "Wow... Batman was only Batman for like a year" He really liked 1 and 2 and was hyped for TDKR and it even killed the series for him. I am not saying because my son said it must e fact I guess I am just sharing that story because I was surprised that a 10 year old even picked up on that and that was not even with any guidance from me.

So it's not that I think TFA is a better made film then TDKR... Its just not a series destroyer like TDKR is.

I will agree that the Cap films are a rare breed that got better as they went on, but that's really it for me.

I still might like TWS better the CW.

I guess you're right about that, Iron Man was a huge deal when it came out and still my fav MCU film by far but people very rarely talk about it anymore.

yeah.. With Marvel releasing so many so quick... Many films will get lost in the shuffle.

 

[DiFabio]

What's goofy about Batman Begins third act? Only thing I really remember was Rachel and the taser thing with Scarecrow.

- the microwave emitter
- pointless, weird fake Ra's Al Ghul at the party
- cliched third act doomsday device/beat the clock nonsense
- final battle taking place in an ugly, brown, CGI village (the narrows) plopped in the middle of Chicago that's covered in a stinky fear fart
- Gordon driving the Tumbler around and acting like a kid as he dismantles bridges and a dude comments on his "nice ride"
- It's not who I AM underneatthhh but what I DOOOOO that defines me
- Broose? (no **** Rachel)
- Scarecrow being hyped up only to make a pathetic exit
- the old man/Wayne enterprises technician constantly saying that the pressure is GONNA blow, like the audience needs to be constantly reminded with exposition
- I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you


First hour with the training and Bruce becoming Batman is great though, so is the Joker card/signal ending. It actually has a lot in common with The First Avenger. I think Captain America 1 is great until he becomes Captain America fighting in WWII just like I think Begins is great until he becomes Batman. That stuff with Steve Rogers in the first hour is great, then they like rush through WWII and Cap and Bucky until Cap commits "suicide" at the end making way for The Avengers.

Both are great origin movies, but once you get to their superhero ego, it's underwhelming because the movie doesn't really relish it because it's too focused on the doomsday device, "gotta stop the bomb" climax.

 

[JAWS]

Not for nothing, but I think Civil War Rhodey is annoying as ****. In fact, it's another reason why I'm bummed that he wasn't properly killed off.

I don't know if I found him annoying... He did piss me off when he said "congratulations Cap, you're now a criminal" Wanted to smack him for the lack of respect given to Rodgers

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Captain Hydra approves bad language

Not for nothing, but I think Civil War Rhodey is annoying as ****. In fact, it's another reason why I'm bummed that he wasn't properly killed off.

Cheadle baffles me in these movies. Dude's a great actor but for whatever reason he doesn't fit into this role at all. Stan Lee gave him his best moment out of 4 movies.

 

[JAWS]

- the microwave emitter
- weird fake Ra's Al Ghul fake at the party
- cliched third act doomsday device/beat the clock nonsense
- final battle taking place in an ugly, brown, CGI village (the narrows) plopped in the middle of Chicago that's covered in a stinky fear fart
- Gordon driving the Tumbler around and acting like a kid as he dismantles bridges and a dude comments on his "nice ride"
- It's not who I AM underneatthhh but what I DOOOOO that defines me
- Broose? (no **** Rachel)
- Scarecrow being hyped up only to make a pathetic exit
- the old man/Wayne enterprises technician constantly saying that the pressure is GONNA blow, like the audience needs to be constantly reminded with exposition
- I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you

nailed it... Though I did not mind the What I am underneath speech

First hour with the training and Bruce becoming Batman is great though, so is the Joker card/signal ending. It actually has a lot in common with The Firat Avenger. I think Captain America 1 is great until he becomes Captain America fighting in WWII. That stuff with Steve Rogers in the first hour is great, then they lie rush through WWII and Cap and Bucky until Cap commits "suicide" at the end making way for The Avengers.

Both are great origin movies, but once you get to their alter ego, it's underwhelming because the movie doesn't really relish it because it's too focused on the doomsday device, "gotta stop the bomb" climax.

I agree again. But I like the Arkham asylum escape and Batmaobile chase much more then any of the action in TFA.

 

[Khev]

I like the second half of The First Avenger even more than the first. But I've accepted the fact that the consensus is that the movie was "okay" at best overall. I just disagree with everyone.

 

[JAWS]

Khev, leave my Avengers alone man. It's a good fun movie, let go of the hate. At least it's not the movie with "LANGUAGE".

I will have to watch AOU again and just focus on Cap.. I remember him looking more CGI then any other film and I hated the "what did you say, I didn't hear you" smack talk he did to one of the Ultron drones.. Blah.. I mean really?? third grade comebacks.. Should of had a "stop hitting yourself" moment in there somewhere also...

He also has the stupid jump reverse flip over a drone during the Money shot of the Avengers fighting the Drones in Slow motion.. In caps defense.. That whole scene blows chunks.

 

[JAWS]

I like the second half of The First Avenger even more than the first. But I've accepted the fact that the consensus is that the movie was "okay" at best overall. I just disagree with everyone.

Gibberish

 

[Khev]

third grade comebacks.. Should of had a "stop hitting yourself" moment in there somewhere also...

Cap's best moments were in Seoul IMO and when challenging Stark right before the Vision woke up. Yeah, "language" was dumb (more of Whedon making him the butt of jokes) and there was some silliness at the end but at least he didn't look like an idiot in that movie.

 

[DiFabio]

I like the Star Spangled Man scene and then the following Rescue mission quite a bit.

The turn off for me is when all the Captain America and Red Skull warring turns into a quick montage of tank and map scenes. I know why they have to rush through it (Avengers was the next movie up to bat and Cap can't be in the 40s anymore), but it could have been so much better if they let it breathe and he wasn't on ice in then dethawed by the end of the movie. The Howling Commandos for example are glorified cameos at best.

I still like the First Avenger a lot though, just like I like Batman Begins. As movies though, they're not better than their sequel, which almost become completely different movies in their own right.

 

[IrishJedi]

Cheadle baffles me in these movies. Dude's a great actor but for whatever reason he doesn't fit into this role at all..

100% Agreed. Terrance Howard was actually a much better Rhodey and, more importantly, had much more chemistry with RDJ. Rhodey has basically gotten more lame since IRON MAN 2. But CW takes the cake. Shoulda killed him off.

 

[Khev]

I still like the First Avenger a lot though, just like I like Batman Begins. As movies though, they're not better than their sequels.

No argument there with regard to TFA compared to TWS and CW. But I do like Batman Begins the most out of the Dark Knight trilogy.

I actually did like "I'm not going to kill you but I don't have to save you," the fact that the aspect ratio wasn't changing every other second, that it didn't have a jarringly different Rachel than what came before, he has a decent "Batvoice," that he actually used live bats as cover, etc.

 

[karamazov80]

Fun review of the movie here:



Both reviewers enjoyed it more than Civil War.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

- the microwave emitter
- pointless, weird fake Ra's Al Ghul at the party
- cliched third act doomsday device/beat the clock nonsense
- final battle taking place in an ugly, brown, CGI village (the narrows) plopped in the middle of Chicago that's covered in a stinky fear fart
- Gordon driving the Tumbler around and acting like a kid as he dismantles bridges and a dude comments on his "nice ride"
- It's not who I AM underneatthhh but what I DOOOOO that defines me
- Broose? (no **** Rachel)
- Scarecrow being hyped up only to make a pathetic exit
- the old man/Wayne enterprises technician constantly saying that the pressure is GONNA blow, like the audience needs to be constantly reminded with exposition
- I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you

The worst part about Batman Begins is the villain's plan...which makes no sense. They have been contaminating the city water for a long time but they need a microwave emitter to vaporize the water for the toxic to work. I guess in a city of millions of people, no one boils water or takes a hot shower There should have been thousands of people going crazy...even the guy selling the hot dogs to the corrupt cop was boiling water and you could see the vapor