None of those things for Batman Begins that I listed are nitpicking, and I'm certainly not putting it down to put First Avenger up on a pedestal (I crticized parts of that too). There's a lot of stupid **** that goes on in the last half of Begins. It's not a very strong last act. Same problem with The First Avenger. Begins really is cheesy and kind of cliche when you break it down.
Best origin movies that are solid the whole way through in all three acts in my opinion are Spider-Man, Iron Man, Hellboy, and of course, the OG, Superman: the movie (minus that terrible reverse time Earth spinning BS).
I love the first hour of Batman Begins, and Bale, and Cillian Murphy and Neeson, and the training in the mountains and Bruce becoming Batman, but I never thought it was this untouchable movie. It's silly as hell when the microwave emitter pops up and you hear Batman getting smug before he fights a bunch of ninjas in zoomed in crazy cam action while Gordon is driving around chasing the same train. It's just dumb. The extra/minor characters in the Nolan Bat movies are the worst too, and they flood that last act with unnecessary scenes.
