X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016

[bboy]

Well Thor's mom is killed in part 2... So that is something ... It actually has a better effect on Loki (dramatically) then Thor

I would say that Stark finding out Bucky killed his folks is pretty dramatic and Cap losing everything he cared about is up there with some Drama... Cap is also a wanted fugitive now. None of it is as meaningful as Magneto getting revenge.. But then again a Mutant getting revenge on a human is not what I would call "high stakes"

but he wasn't a human? A really powerful mutant if I recall.

 

[bboy]

My point about Magneto and "lifting things" is that it ends up being the "money shots" that the films hang their hats on and they follow the old "bigger is better" sequel way of doing things... Granted it was not done so much in the first two though he did step up from Cars to the X-men stealth plane. Part three it was a bridge... FC was a Submarine, DOFP was a baseball stadium, and the last one was the whole planet. It's not that they are the main "plot points" to the film but there is a paint by numbers formula going on.

As for the friendship... They may not always e best buds but There is a friendship there and forgiveness always seems to be given. Granted its strained in the first three films but Charles wants Magneto to come back. He is always looking for hope when he should be advocating for the death penalty

I would say you have first class wrong as the submarine wasn't really a money shot or upping the ante, if anything it was him catching the missiles. But it fits insanely well with the subplot of Charles helping magneto expand his powers, with the submarine then the satellite and then the missiles.

I just don't think the series has to hang their hats on any action sequence or action things. The movies are definitely more plot driven than action driven (besides this last one I suppose?) While magnetos powers are cool, its just another variation of sooooo many powers we see in each film. Its just that he happens to be a main character that's why we see him use his powers in every movie.

As for them being buddy buddy, yup that's Xavier. I think that's kind of the point. I see how it can be redundant but its not usually the only story thread going on, but yeah its a bit of a metaphor for the bigger picture. Any way it is a superhero movie so yeah the good guys will probably act like good guys.

 

[bboy]

yeah maybe thor 2 has it, maybe ill catch it if it runs on the tube. I wouldn't say stark finding out bucky killed his folks worked as well as magnetos revenge as he was just simply told about it in a scene of dialogue (I'd say slightly clunky). Not to mention we as an audience already knew about it. The closest I can think in terms of high stake or whatever (I'm just talking about the magnetos mom and revenge aspect) would be tony telling cap the shield doesn't belong to him.

 

[jye4ever]

I loved Cap's look towards Stark when Stark was watching in complete shock the footage play out.

 

[bboy]

I think it would have been a better moment if we had known cap was purposefully not telling him, or if we had a scene of cap thinking about telling him. Or just any sort of build up to that moment.

 

[Collectorcol]

recently re-watched first class. Can't say its underrated because it was cirtically successful, but damn did it surprise me how good it was again! Magneto hunting down the Nazi that killed his mom is cinematic gold. And the coin through the head is a great villain defeating moment with out the need of crazy action.

That scene in the bar was excellent.

 

[JAWS]

but he wasn't a human? A really powerful mutant if I recall.

I forgot that Bacon was the one who killed him... That is just a great scene period. The coin with Charles in his head.

I would say you have first class wrong as the submarine wasn't really a money shot or upping the ante, if anything it was him catching the missiles. But it fits insanely well with the subplot of Charles helping magneto expand his powers, with the submarine then the satellite and then the missiles.

I just don't think the series has to hang their hats on any action sequence or action things. The movies are definitely more plot driven than action driven (besides this last one I suppose?) While magnetos powers are cool, its just another variation of sooooo many powers we see in each film. Its just that he happens to be a main character that's why we see him use his powers in every movie.

As for them being buddy buddy, yup that's Xavier. I think that's kind of the point. I see how it can be redundant but its not usually the only story thread going on, but yeah its a bit of a metaphor for the bigger picture. Any way it is a superhero movie so yeah the good guys will probably act like good guys.

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I can't remember half of FC .... I just remember that the Ending sub shot seemed like the coolest action moment in the film.. I do remember that I hated almost every other mutant in the film... Banshee and the stupid girl (Angel Salvadore) with insect wings that could spit fire balls.. Blah. The one I liked best and found his powers interesting was Darwin but they killed him off .

Yes X men is mostly plot driven... Problem often is that I don't personally find the plots to be all that intriguing and the action in the films don't make up much for it. They start off interesting but usually overstay their welcome.

Again I enjoy the X-men movies... I just don't find them to be all that deep. No more then any other popcorn film.


BTW - I don't mind Charles looking for the good in Eric... The interaction between those two is always the highlight of all the films.

 

[JAWS]

yeah maybe thor 2 has it, maybe ill catch it if it runs on the tube. I wouldn't say stark finding out bucky killed his folks worked as well as magnetos revenge as he was just simply told about it in a scene of dialogue (I'd say slightly clunky). Not to mention we as an audience already knew about it. The closest I can think in terms of high stake or whatever (I'm just talking about the magnetos mom and revenge aspect) would be tony telling cap the shield doesn't belong to him.

Just don't expect much from Thor 2

Like I said... I forgot it was Bacon that killed his mom... I thought it was one of the earlier characters he killed in the beginning of the film... That is just a great revenge moment and a highlight of the series... So I give you that.

I may have been dumb but I was blindsided by Bucky being the one who killed his parents.. I should have seen it coming but I didn't and I was one of the ones in the theater that sort of gasped... Not literally like others but I was taken by surprise. Tony's anger and feeling of being betrayed made me feel for his character but I was still routing for Cap. No its not Shakespeare but still a great moment. The shield was good because of the Betrayal that Tony still felt. But yes it's not as good as The Magneto scene. Of course nothing in the X-men scenes is as good or emotional as that either...Except perhaps for the scene of Magneto being taken from his parents.

I loved Cap's look towards Stark when Stark was watching in complete shock the footage play out.

Yep...

I think it would have been a better moment if we had known cap was purposefully not telling him, or if we had a scene of cap thinking about telling him. Or just any sort of build up to that moment.

Yeah... But it was cool for dumb guys like me who did not see it coming and was shocked just like Tony

Seriously I guess twist right all the time... Guess I just wasn't looking for one in this one

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Just don't expect much from Thor 2

Like I said... I forgot it was Bacon that killed his mom... I thought it was one of the earlier characters he killed in the beginning of the film... That is just a great revenge moment and a highlight of the series... So I give you that.

I may have been dumb but I was blindsided by Bucky being the one who killed his parents.. I should have seen it coming but I didn't and I was one of the ones in the theater that sort of gasped... Not literally like others but I was taken by surprise. Tony's anger and feeling of being betrayed made me feel for his character but I was still routing for Cap. No its not Shakespeare but still a great moment. The shield was good because of the Betrayal that Tony still felt. But yes it's not as good as The Magneto scene. Of course nothing in the X-men scenes is as good or emotional as that either...Except perhaps for the scene of Magneto being taken from his parents.



Yep...



Yeah... But it was cool for dumb guys like me who did not see it coming and was shocked just like Tony

Seriously I guess twist right all the time... Guess I just wasn't looking for one in this one

I put it together that WS killed Tony's parents early in the movie but that still didn't dampen the drama in that moment when they are watching the video. It was the closest feeling I've had to the "what's in the box moment from seven" when watching a movie.

 

[jye4ever]

Excellent response

I forgot that Bacon was the one who killed him... That is just a great scene period. The coin with Charles in his head.



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I put it together that WS killed Tony's parents early in the movie but that still didn't dampen the drama in that moment when they are watching the video. It was the closest feeling I've had to the "what's in the box moment from seven" when watching a movie.

Good correlation.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I put it together that WS killed Tony's parents early in the movie but that still didn't dampen the drama in that moment when they are watching the video. It was the closest feeling I've had to the "what's in the box moment from seven" when watching a movie.

The difference being that the scene from Se7en actually went somewhere. Mills executed John Doe.

Tony just ripped off Bucky's prosthetic arm. Good job, Marvel.

Tony should have killed Bucky with Steve watching, unable to help. Then have the moment Steve beats Tony down but refuses to kill him.

That would have been impacting. That would have left the theater in silence. It would crush the bond and respect between Steve and Tony forever. Irreparable damage. I would have taken that over Cap's death.

But no, Marvel/Disney can't even keep Coulson dead.

**** it, at least over at FOX we have Magneto brilliantly executing Shaw.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Good correlation.

Even better response

If Tony had killed Bucky it would have been more dramatic sure, but Ween would've been crying for weeks non stop since she loves her some Sebastian Stan, so for that reason alone I think they made the right call.

And I'm not comparing outcome of the scenes to each other but the feeling of anticipated **** going down once a lead character is manipulated into a situation where he finds out how a loved one was murdered and the murderer happens to be right there!

 

[Khev]

And I'm not comparing outcome of the scenes to each other but the feeling of anticipated **** going down once a lead character is manipulated into a situation where he finds out how a loved one was murdered and the murderer happens to be right there!

Wow, you aren't kidding, Civil War literally had a Se7en situation in that regard except with Morgan Freeman being Kevin Spacey's buddy and trying to protect him.

 

[bboy]

hmmm.... I personally would not compare that situation to seven

 

[YoNoSe]

I felt sick when the revelation came. Didn't know it was coming and the episodic nature of this series gave it more weight imo than you'd get from a character in one movie. Howard Stark has loomed over the MCU since IM1. It felt like a gut punch.

 

[Khev]

I felt sick when the revelation came. Didn't know it was coming and the episodic nature of this series gave it more weight imo than you'd get from a character in one movie. Howard Stark has loomed over the MCU since IM1. It felt like a gut punch.

And again it really was like Se7en where you don't want the character who is receiving the horrifying news to go crazy but you know that that would 100% be the natural reaction.

 

[YoNoSe]

Yup. But this being a series it is dramatically more interesting to have Barnes survive rather than go for the shock value death. Inevitably those two will meet again.

 

[YoNoSe]

There's even a touch of Frankenstein in there for Howard Stark.

 

[Khev]

Yup. But this being a series it is dramatically more interesting to have Barnes survive rather than go for the shock value death. Inevitably those two will meet again.

Agreed. Rarely does ANY franchise deal with the messy aftermath of a reformed "villain." Usually when a bad guy is redeemed he has to immediately die just to wrap everything up cleanly. I mean imagine if Vader didn't die from the Emperor's lightning and instead accompanied Luke down to Endor. Talk about an awkward celebration party.

 

[jye4ever]

Agreed. Rarely does ANY franchise deal with the messy aftermath of a reformed "villain." Usually when a bad guy is redeemed he has to immediately die just to wrap everything up cleanly. I mean imagine if Vader didn't die from the Emperor's lightning and instead accompanied Luke down to Endor. Talk about an awkward celebration party.

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