X-Men: Dark Phoenix

[nexus]

This is very confusing...

Okay...
After "X3: The Last Stand" the franchise was struggling. Matthew Vaughan came in to direct X-Men First Class--which gave the franchise a creative and critical shot in the arm. Vaughan was hamstrung along the way because Singer was still the producer, so he could only do a "soft reboot". He had to keep it connected to the other Singerverse movies and he was limited to the characters he could put on the team. Despite those limitations he delivered a very good movie that helped save the franchise. Had he been given full creative freedom I think the movie would have been even better.

While Days of Future Past didn't make MCU dollars, it was a very good movie and well received. By hitting the reset button at the end, it provided the perfect opportunity to close out the Singerverse on a high note. Fox could have given Singer a nice sendoff and then bring in a new creative team with a blank sheet

 

[RIDDICK]

You forget that FC and DoFP cannot be viewed as parts of the X1-X2-X3-TW continuity. DoFP was a straight sequel to FC, with actors from X1-X2-X3-TW continuity playin' older versions of FC characters.

DoFP has absolutely NO REASON to exist. It's a soft reboot of a soft reboot. An abortion.

 

[SNIKT1950]

People talking about reboots need to vacate the thread. It ain't gonna happen. Move on.

Let this thread focus on the subject at hand which is the next installment in the [ongoing] X-Men franchise.

 

[pturtle]

Okay...
After "X3: The Last Stand" the franchise was struggling. Matthew Vaughan came in to direct X-Men First Class--which gave the franchise a creative and critical shot in the arm. Vaughan was hamstrung along the way because Singer was still the producer, so he could only do a "soft reboot". He had to keep it connected to the other Singerverse movies and he was limited to the characters he could put on the team. Despite those limitations he delivered a very good movie that helped save the franchise. Had he been given full creative freedom I think the movie would have been even better.

While Days of Future Past didn't make MCU dollars, it was a very good movie and well received. By hitting the reset button at the end, it provided the perfect opportunity to close out the Singerverse on a high note. Fox could have given Singer a nice sendoff and then bring in a new creative team with a blank sheet

I kind of agree with a lot, I think DOFP would have been a great ending for the Singerverse. After that they really should have rebooted the entire thing, even though that movie was made with the intention of doing just that.

First Class was set to be a reboot but Singer came back to produce late in the story and ended up writing the story, and Vaughn just directed it. Then they switched roles with DOFP where most of that was Vaughn and Goldman's story and Singer/Kinberg came in and changed a few things like the pentagon scene taking out Juggernaut and adding Quicksilver.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

People talking about reboots need to vacate the thread. It ain't gonna happen. Move on.

Let this thread focus on the subject at hand which is the next installment in the [ongoing] X-Men franchise.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

@ Panda

 

[YoNoSe]

Get off Snikt's lawn.

 

[pturtle]

You forget that FC and DoFP cannot be viewed as parts of the X1-X2-X3-TW continuity. DoFP was a straight sequel to FC, with actors from X1-X2-X3-TW continuity playin' older versions of FC characters.

DoFP has absolutely NO REASON to exist. It's a soft reboot of a soft reboot. An abortion.

Pretty much

But at the stage everything after X3 is really like a quasi-sequel.

Still, I think DOFP would have been a nice ending to the Singerverse.

People talking about reboots need to vacate the thread. It ain't gonna happen. Move on.

Let this thread focus on the subject at hand which is the next installment in the [ongoing] X-Men franchise.

Snikt are you really okay with Kinberg writing Directing and producing this? I mean, I know you have an insane bias, but even you can't approve of this

 

[SNIKT1950]

Snikt are you really okay with Kinberg writing Directing and producing this?

DOFP is a fantastic movie and arguably one of the most intelligent CBMs to date. Kinberg was all over that movie.

Apocalypse was a misfire caused primarily by budget problems so I give him a pass for that.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Get off Snikt's lawn.

 

[pturtle]

DOFP is a fantastic movie and arguably one of the most intelligent CBMs to date. Kinberg was all over that movie.

Apocalypse was a misfire caused primarily by budget problems so I give him a pass for that.

But he wasn't all over DOFP. There were about 3 writers helping him change a few things from Vaughn and Goldman's script. Vaughn did an interview saying that DOFP was about 90% his movie

The rest of his writing credits are huge fails, and 3 of them were superhero movies, 2 of them being X-Men films, and one of them already dealing with the Dark Phoenix. He's never directed before either, and this is following up a bad X-Men movie he wrote. How can you be optimistic?

David Goyer helped write The Nolan Batman trilogy, yet look at what he did with Blade 3 when he had full control as writer and director. In my opinion, Goyer > Kinberg

 

[RIDDICK]

Apocalypse was a misfire caused primarily by budget problems.

 

[SNIKT1950]

But he wasn't all over DOFP. There were about 3 writers helping him change a few things from Vaughn and Goldman's script. Vaughn did an interview saying that DOFP was about 90% his movie

Simon Kinberg also wrote:

-Citizen Kane
-Casablanca
-Bridge on The River Kwai
-The Godfather
-Diner
-Midnight Express
-Weekend at Bernie's
-The English Patient

How can you question this guy?

 

[pturtle]

Yea, I liked every Bryan Singer directed superhero movie up until Apocalypse. I'm on of the few people that find Superman Returns to be the best Superman movie to date. Apocalypse was just terrible and it was just in the writing. It really seemed like he was trying to cater more to superhero crowd with that movie, and Singer just isn't good at big all out disaster movies. He kind of went full retard with Apocalypse.


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[meanstreak]

I think I'm the only one who didn't think Apocalypse was that bad

 

[RIDDICK]

Kara loved it. You should form a band.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I think I'm the only one who didn't think Apocalypse was that bad

It wasn't terrible. It just suffered from a very limited approach to a story that deserved so much more. It had some great things but mostly forgettable things. It doesn't help that it was coming off of such a great movie like DOFP.

 

[Khev]

Still, I think DOFP would have been a nice ending to the Singerverse.

Absolutely. Apoc and even Logan really screwed that up.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Apocalypse was a misfire caused primarily by budget problems so I give him a pass for that.

Kinda like when a person farts, but ****s instead?

 

[YoNoSe]

Kinda like when a person farts, but ****s instead?

Implying that the "budget problems" caused the person to get White Castle instead of Olive Garden?

That sounds like Apocalypse.

Apocalypse is absolutely where the franchise jumped the shart.