X-Men: Days of Future Past

[Silrian]

Yeah guess I kinda agree Irvy, although I wanted more brutal actions scenes. I thought the subtle magenta power scenes where actually quite great in the film, he has plenty. But the Arena is the only "I AM MAGNETO MOTHER****ERS, FEEL MY WRATH!" scene.

Then again we get NO future wolverine fighting a sentinel which is honest to god my biggest criticism of the whole film.

I want an hour of future wolverine just tearing through sentinels when everybody else can't. Because he's Wolverine.

 

[a-dev]

Why do you like X3 A-Dev? Despite what most hate about it, or do you genuinely like the things most fans dislike?

Well I don't read comics. When you strip away any complaints that arise from being a major comic fan it's not a bad film at all IMO.

 

[jye4ever]

I always joke on how bad it is yet I won't turn it off when its on.

But I don't own it like I do X1/2.

 

[jedibear]

Is there no art book for this flick? Every big movie this year has had one.

I've been wondering that too....it's like Fox has thrown the most minimal support behind this. No figures, no books, very little media/magazine coverage (other than EMPIRE mag's many different covers).

Just the score, an article in an upcoming issue of Cinefex....no Hot Toys announcements, nothing.

I'd love to see/read the development of the art for the different characters and setting in the movie. DOFP is one of the most design-rich X-Men movies yet...Fox is really missing the boat here with fans.....very odd.

 

[karamazov80]

Well I don't read comics. When you strip away any complaints that arise from being a major comic fan it's not a bad film at all IMO.

I don't disagree with the arguments you guys are making that it fails as a follow-up to X-Men and X2, but in my opinion, it did simply suck as a movie. The acting was more wooden and less believable than in previous installments, the story felt lifeless and flat, I didn't fine myself invested in any of the characters, many of the decisions were pretty baffling. In full disclosure, I only saw it once in the theater, but my feelings were that it was just a rushed, and ultimately half-assed movie. Considering the tastes of movie-going audiences broadly speaking, perhaps that's why it was the most successful film in the franchise.

 

[Irvy]

Yeah guess I kinda agree Irvy, although I wanted more brutal actions scenes. I thought the subtle magenta power scenes where actually quite great in the film, he has plenty. But the Arena is the only "I AM MAGNETO MOTHER****ERS, FEEL MY WRATH!" scene.

Then again we get NO future wolverine fighting a sentinel which is honest to god my biggest criticism of the whole film.

I want an hour of future wolverine just tearing through sentinels when everybody else can't. Because he's Wolverine.

I was hoping for a fastball special with Wolvie/Colossus, I thought they were maybe gonna do it with Beast throwing him. He would have ripped those 70's sentinels apart if he had his metal claws

 

[a-dev]

I don't disagree with the arguments you guys are making that it fails as a follow-up to X-Men and X2, but in my opinion, it did simply suck as a movie. The acting was more wooden and less believable than in previous installments, the story felt lifeless and flat, I didn't fine myself invested in any of the characters, many of the decisions were pretty baffling. In full disclosure, I only saw it once in the theater, but my feelings were that it was just a rushed, and ultimately half-assed movie. Considering the tastes of movie-going audiences broadly speaking, perhaps that's why it was the most successful film in the franchise.

https://youtu.be/UM1VHvpdsco?t=1m27s

 

[The Chev]

I don't disagree with the arguments you guys are making that it fails as a follow-up to X-Men and X2, but in my opinion, it did simply suck as a movie. The acting was more wooden and less believable than in previous installments, the story felt lifeless and flat, I didn't fine myself invested in any of the characters, many of the decisions were pretty baffling. In full disclosure, I only saw it once in the theater, but my feelings were that it was just a rushed, and ultimately half-assed movie. Considering the tastes of movie-going audiences broadly speaking, perhaps that's why it was the most successful film in the franchise.

For a second I thought you were talking about DOFP, then I went back and looked. lol

 

[Darkseed]

it was just a rushed, and ultimately half-assed movie. Considering the tastes of movie-going audiences broadly speaking, perhaps that's why it was the most successful film in the franchise.

Nice back handed slap to those of us who enjoyed the movie....you have a little Celtic in you....

 

[jye4ever]

We all have a little Celtic in us.

 

[Darkseed]

We all have a little Celtic in us.

Explains a lot.......

 

[karamazov80]

Nice back handed slap to those of us who enjoyed the movie....you have a little Celtic in you....

Oh no, please don't misunderstand. That was a full, open palmed slap to anyone who enjoyed that movie

 

[Silrian]

I've been wondering that too....it's like Fox has thrown the most minimal support behind this. No figures, no books, very little media/magazine coverage (other than EMPIRE mag's many different covers).

Just the score, an article in an upcoming issue of Cinefex....no Hot Toys announcements, nothing.

I'd love to see/read the development of the art for the different characters and setting in the movie. DOFP is one of the most design-rich X-Men movies yet...Fox is really missing the boat here with fans.....very odd.

An artbook for the whole franchise, centred around DoFP would be an amazing tribute to 14 years of a franchise still going strong (or rather, going strong again, which is even more impressive).

I don't disagree with the arguments you guys are making that it fails as a follow-up to X-Men and X2, but in my opinion, it did simply suck as a movie. The acting was more wooden and less believable than in previous installments, the story felt lifeless and flat, I didn't fine myself invested in any of the characters, many of the decisions were pretty baffling. In full disclosure, I only saw it once in the theater, but my feelings were that it was just a rushed, and ultimately half-assed movie. Considering the tastes of movie-going audiences broadly speaking, perhaps that's why it was the most successful film in the franchise.

I agree with that, and I also think X3's portrayal of the characters is somewhat inconsistent with X1/2. The decision to off cyclops is nothing, NOTHING but marketing Wolverine into the lead role again. Magneto casting mystique aside without any emotion whatsoever nailed my bad will against the film though. When that happened I was out, I was like okay **** this. You just undid an implicit relationship I genuinely like and always looked for hints for in the first two films and just threw it away like moulded bread. JUST to make Magneto more evil. The shallowest of writing that is.

I was hoping for a fastball special with Wolvie/Colossus, I thought they were maybe gonna do it with Beast throwing him. He would have ripped those 70's sentinels apart if he had his metal claws

Yeah **** me man, that should've been in it. The sentinels were honestly too strong, it served the story well, but damnit, I felt bad the future sentinels were never beat not even once, barely an arm chopped off. And barely any sentinel action in the past.

We got NO metal claws slashing through a sentinel film in THE sentinel film. Le sigh, *starts watching 90s TAS again*...

@A-dev I'm a fan of CB properties and a fan of how the characters have been written and evolved, but my main source of fandom stems from the 90s cartoons, Batman, X-men, Spider-man. SO while I highly appreciate certain comic book runs, their not the bible to me. Pragmatically speaking they're often just better than how they're adapted by hollywood writers, but there are massive exceptions. And after the disappointment with ASM2 I've kindof excepted the 90s are just over...

 

[Darkseed]

Oh no, please don't misunderstand. That was a full, open palmed slap to anyone who enjoyed that movie

Now that is settled........

 

[moose]

@Moose They way I feel about X3 is about the only way I can imagine how the haters feel about man of steel. X3 was an affront to the franchise. Apart from a few tiny good things, they insulted a lot of core characters with it as well as complete stories.

The big difference between a reboot and a sequel is that for a sequel expectations ARE validated, because a good sequel respects it's predecessors and builds upon what they made in a way that's rewarding. A reboot can do whatever the **** it wants and you either like a new direction or you don't, there's nothing a reboot has to live up to critically speaking (not withstanding many would still like it to of course), a reboot doesn't 'owe' anyone anything as it is at its core meant to create a fanbase, not serve an existing one (although again, we almost always hope a reboot serves the source material, but opinions can obviously differ on whether it does).

X3 is to this day one of the most disappointing experiences in cinema I've ever had, rubbish, rubbish film that used both its characters and its story in a horrible shallow classic hollywood BS way.

Also, X3 already teased that Xavier was alive and that Magneto got his powers back, so what do you keep? A seriously botched and lesser version of a dark phoenix saga + a wolverine that's not wolverine anymore + a shafted cyclops. Singer kept everything new that was okay in X3: Kitty, Beast and Wolverine's killing Jean out of necessity.

I'm glad they found such a classy way to retcon the franchise, as I geeked out of my mind when Wolvie woke up at the end. So rewarding. Reminded me of Inception a bit and I feel this film on a meta level came a bit full circle as Nolan made his Batman because of X1, and I'm pretty sure Singer's been inspired by Nolan in turn.

Well I see your point , but I enjoyed the risk the studio took in killing of major characters. If I recall this was supposed to be the last movie in the series so they wanted to give it closure. I think the death added more impact to the movie. Scotts deaths was just getting rid of useless character he only served one purpose through out the movies the jealous boyfriend and he was barely present in X2 he left with singer to do superman returns so they wrote him out of X3. As far as doing a dark phoenix saga that would be very difficult requires a large backstory. The cure story arc was in keeping with the general theme of xmen movies.

In doing this soft reboot he pissed on all the other movies that's what's making me mad. They're already made their money off these movies what do they care but now they messed with the continuity big time. I would have preferred that they did not show that last scene and kept us guessing were they successful or not. I don't think they're going to use the same actors if they were to recast anyway since the new time line is set with the first class. So this scene serves as a goodbye to the old cast nothing more.

As far as wolverine he made mystic get him because he need some way to get him back in the hands of stryker to give him his metal claws so that is likely to go down again only without the drama and brain washing since its Mystic and she wants to use the government to help make a fellow mutant strong for their cause as opposed to the original time line they wanted him as a weapon against other mutants.

If I view it as seperate from the rest it is fine but has a part of the whole series then I have these issues. Case in point I really liked the wolverine and that story arch was in part if him killing jean so now that never happened so its disappointing me. I dont mind characters dying as long as it serves the story.

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[karamazov80]

I would have preferred that they did not show that last scene and kept us guessing were they successful or not. I don't think they're going to use the same actors if they were to recast anyway since the new time line is set with the first class. So this scene serves as a goodbye to the old cast nothing more.

Yeah, that is one of the few things that did strike me as problematic on first viewing. On the one hand, it was totally emotionally effective, giving you the full happy ending release after all the tension and threat in the film. And it also did seem to serve as a final goodbye to most of the old cast, which was welcome. But the side effect of this is that, we are led to believe that this is where all those characters ultimately end up. So, none of them are going to die in subsequent films, none of them are going to turn to the darkside with Magneto or form some other kind of splinter group, etc. If they do, they'll end up back with Xavier et al. And that seems to proactively take away some of the dramatic umph of subsequent films.

 

[jye4ever]

There is a third timeline we don't know about yet.

 

[a-dev]

Yeah, that is one of the few things that did strike me as problematic on first viewing. On the one hand, it was totally emotionally effective, giving you the full happy ending release after all the tension and threat in the film. And it also did seem to serve as a final goodbye to most of the old cast, which was welcome. But the side effect of this is that, we are led to believe that this is where all those characters ultimately end up. So, none of them are going to die in subsequent films, none of them are going to turn to the darkside with Magneto or form some other kind of splinter group, etc. If they do, they'll end up back with Xavier et al. And that seems to proactively take away some of the dramatic umph of subsequent films.

Ah but this is Singer remember. He'll happily contradict the last film he made. Young Beast will die in the next film regardless that old beast appeared at the end of DOFP.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, that is one of the few things that did strike me as problematic on first viewing. On the one hand, it was totally emotionally effective, giving you the full happy ending release after all the tension and threat in the film. And it also did seem to serve as a final goodbye to most of the old cast, which was welcome. But the side effect of this is that, we are led to believe that this is where all those characters ultimately end up. So, none of them are going to die in subsequent films, none of them are going to turn to the darkside with Magneto or form some other kind of splinter group, etc. If they do, they'll end up back with Xavier et al. And that seems to proactively take away some of the dramatic umph of subsequent films.

Yeah, from a "feel good" perspective I agree it was a great end to the whole series, but of course we know it isn't really the end. Heck I remember walking out of the theater thinking it'd be cool if Mystique was even walking around the school smiling and saying "hi Logan." But that would really spoil the rest of her character.

From an artistic standpoint it probably would have been better to just show Wolverine's face or eyes waking up while an off-screen Professor X says "well hello Logan." Wolverine looks around and says, "no way," or "you've got to be kidding," and END CREDITS. Let us eternally wonder what the new 2023 is like.

 

[jye4ever]

That would've been an awesome ending.