X-Men: Days of Future Past

[a-dev]

The actual ending gave me goosebumps. Only later did it occur that they've written certain constraints onto whatever they do in future movies set before 2023.....if they give any crap about continuity from now on that is.

 

[jye4ever]

I had a lump in my throat.

 

[Silrian]

Well I see your point , but I enjoyed the risk the studio took in killing of major characters. If I recall this was supposed to be the last movie in the series so they wanted to give it closure. I think the death added more impact to the movie. Scotts deaths was just getting rid of useless character he only served one purpose through out the movies the jealous boyfriend and he was barely present in X2 he left with singer to do superman returns so they wrote him out of X3. As far as doing a dark phoenix saga that would be very difficult requires a large backstory. The cure story arc was in keeping with the general theme of xmen movies.

In doing this soft reboot he pissed on all the other movies that's what's making me mad. They're already made their money off these movies what do they care but now they messed with the continuity big time. I would have preferred that they did not show that last scene and kept us guessing were they successful or not. I don't think they're going to use the same actors if they were to recast anyway since the new time line is set with the first class. So this scene serves as a goodbye to the old cast nothing more.

As far as wolverine he made mystic get him because he need some way to get him back in the hands of stryker to give him his metal claws so that is likely to go down again only without the drama and brain washing since its Mystic and she wants to use the government to help make a fellow mutant strong for their cause as opposed to the original time line they wanted him as a weapon against other mutants.

If I view it as seperate from the rest it is fine but has a part of the whole series then I have these issues. Case in point I really liked the wolverine and that story arch was in part if him killing jean so now that never happened so its disappointing me. I dont mind characters dying as long as it serves the story.

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Except that 1 there is no risk in killing off characters that aren't the star of the franchise. If they'd killed wolverine, THAT would've been a risk, sorry no studio cred for X3 whatsoever, for general audiences that film was safe as ****.
2 Imo it's nonsense Singer pisses on films before it with DoFP, completely the contrary, he homages all of them, but sets up a new universe in a really classy way, with pretty much nothing but respect for all that came before. Kinberg stated in an empire interview that when charles looks into wolverine's mind he sees very PURPOSEFULLY him killing Jean, so the new Xavier will KNOW this is a risk, that that universe exists, but obviously he can prevent it now so we have future options with these characters. And I'm sorry, but these characters are too beloved to completely banish from cinema. We're not getting a full reboot because the studio doesn't dare take that risk, so Singer did what he could, and he did it fantastically.
3 The last scene in this is like the last sequence in Inception, the whole film gets its strength from the fact that it actually works. It's factually NOT a goodbye to the old cast as now, contrary to a full reboot, the old cast can still be used. So it's the opposite of a goodbye, it's a preservation of what came before, while opening the future again.

DoFP was the most respectful retcon I've ever seen. X3 just wasn't the movie this franchise should've had, and it was too offensive to too many fans. The few people that did like it, honestly, tough luck man. And even then, if you like X3 even better I'd say, because DoFP did not retcon anything respectlessly that the film itself didn't already do. Except Cyclops, and honestly, **** X3 for treating one of the main x-men ever created that way. Seriously, there's no excuse for Cyclops' death in X3, he should've been DEVELOPED after X1 and 2, not killed off. That's the only thing Singer corrected in complete dismissal of X3 and justly so.

 

[Silrian]

Well Singer dismissed Wolverine Origins, I'll give you that, but every sane person should. Origins was a barf bag of a movie.

I'm honestly amazed by how much love DoFP showed for all the other preceding films, so, many, freakin easter eggs. Fan****ingtastic, I geeked out the whole way through.

DoFP celebrates this franchise in a way I've never seen before in film. It's a completely unique event. It's the Inception of X-men to me tbh. The film's not perfect, and it's too lean imo, but when it concerns the franchise it honestly couldn't have been better for me given what Singer and Kinberg had to work with.

 

[a-dev]

I liked X3 and have no problem with what DOFP did. Undo the killing of Xavier, Jean and Cyclops while not pretending it never happened in the first place. And keeping Kelsey Grammer Beast, small a role though it was.

 

[Silrian]

Okay I'm going to bore you all with a bunch of One Line Reviews of Days of Future Past:

It's the Inception of X-men films.

X-Men Apocalypse just became my second most anticipated film.

Wolverine shows his ass while having bone(r)s on his hand.

Best homage to a film franchise ever made.

Prepare to be Fassbend over, X marks the spot.

X-men on acid.

McAvoy even sold me on the hair.

Three men and a little blue.

This is gonna be one hell of a pool party.

The Queen of comic book films (seriously, bromance alert).

It was too short (that's what he or she said, we're honestly not sure who said that to whom and as what gender).

Honey, we shrunk the timeline.

Needs more tentacles.

 

[Silrian]

I liked X3 and have no problem with what DOFP did. Undo the killing of Xavier, Jean and Cyclops while not pretending it never happened in the first place. And keeping Kelsey Grammer Beast, small a role though it was.

Biggest part they kept was Kitty... Also X3 itself undid Xavier's death.

 

[pturtle]

Ah but this is Singer remember. He'll happily contradict the last film he made. Young Beast will die in the next film regardless that old beast appeared at the end of DOFP.

Can’t argue this

The man has shown to never really care much about continuity, even with Superman Returns he showed that. It doesn’t bother me one bit though

 

[DiFabio]

Well Singer dismissed Wolverine Origins, I'll give you that, but every sane person should. Origins was a barf bag of a movie.

No he didn't, Wolverine had bone claws, just like Origins.

 

[Khev]

No he didn't, Wolverine had bone claws, just like Origins.

Origins didn't pioneer the idea of him having bone claws. DOFP could have just been referencing the same source material from the comics.

 

[karamazov80]

Was stupid in the comic and movies. Better if he just didn't have claws at all pre-Weapon X IMO.

 

[Khev]

Was stupid in the comic and movies. Better if he just didn't have claws at all pre-Weapon X IMO.

I actually agree. For some reason even with all the crazy mutants and magic and whatnot from the comics I just couldn't accept the idea that he had these round knobby bone claws *under* those thin metal blades.

 

[DiFabio]

Origins didn't pioneer the idea of him having bone claws. DOFP could have just been referencing the same source material from the comics.

Origins pioneered the idea for the films. I mean, these are mostly Singer's films right?

In X1 and X2, the only mutant powers Wolverine had was his healing factor. He clearly didn't have "bone claws" prior to the Weapon X program. In Logan's nightmare flashbacks, there's a surgical grid all over his face . . . including three lines on his hands. In X2, Stryker even says, "You were an animal then, you're an animal now. I just gave you claws".

X1 even had the x-rays where you can see the mechanical system of how the claws work,

It's the same deal with Lady Deathstrike in X2 with her claw inplants,

So yeah, they took something from Origins.

 

[Khev]

Origins pioneered the idea for the films.

It only pioneered them in the context of the non-canon Origins. Did Keaton's Batmobile mean that Adam West's 66 film took place in the same universe just because the previous film featured his car first? Nope. Both non-connected films just gave him the car because that's what he had in the comics. Origins is out. DOFP is now the beginning of bone claws.

 

[karamazov80]

Could be a retcon, could be referencing Origins. The world may never know!

 

[DiFabio]

It only pioneered them in the context of the non-canon Origins. Did Keaton's Batmobile mean that Adam West's 66 film took place in the same universe just because the previous film featured his car first? Nope.

That's a horrible example!

Both non-connected films just gave him the car because that's what he had in the comics. Origins is out. DOFP is now the beginning of bone claws.

Lets put the comics aside.

- In X1 and X2, Singer's films/stories, Logan didn't have "bone claws". His adamantium claws were implants that were implemented by Stryker. Logan also lost his memory after the procedure because of the metal being grafted to his skin.

- In Origins, the writers changed Wolverine's origin. Not only does he have "bone claws" as part of his mutation, his memory remains in tact after the surgery. It isn't until a stupid adamantium bullet that he loses it.

- For DOFP, instead of going by the rules he already set in his cinematic universe, Singer takes the Origins, origin, for Wolverine by making 1973 Logan have bone claws.



There's no ifs and buts about it. If there's one thing that was retained or taken from Origins, it's them claws. Anyway, the discussion was "Singer dismissed Wolverine Origins", well, no he didn't, he retconned his own material by taking Origins bone claws.

 

[Khev]

Could be a retcon, could be referencing Origins.

I know and that's what's cool about how it was presented. Guys who love X3, Origins and Terminators who learn the value of human life can all say "its a reference, yay!" while the rest of us can say, "retcon, cool."

 

[DiFabio]

I didn't like X3. I hated Origins. I loved T2. Argument makes no sense, Khev.

Point is, Singer took something from Origins and it's completely applicable because his previous films didn't have that something. The way X-Men and X2 handled the character of Logan, from the wandering anti-hero who partakes in cage matches to his horrific flashbacks was pretty much perfect. After X2, Singer left it at that by having Wolverine rip off his dog tags and leave Stryker, the only man that has all the answers, to die. Wolverine didn't need to know his past anymore, and neither should the audience. That plot point ended and should have remained that way after 2003.

If I have one gripe about Days of Future Past, it'd be 1973 Wolverine. Either give him his adamantium claws for that time period (and insinuate that the procedure we saw in X1 and X2 happened at a date before 1973), or TAKE his claws away from him for the 70s. The concept of bone claws is pretty damn stupid and don't make any sense. I thought it was lame back in 2009 and I think it's lame now.

 

[Silrian]

@DiFabio hmyeah if you wanna be THAT precise, wow, he kept one thing from origins. How about he had little choice as he clearly wanted to keep The Wolverine for good reason. Pretty sure he wouldn't have kept it had the bone claws been only in Origins, he kept them because the Wolverine was canon and in the wolverine they featured quite extensively.

Still think it's fair to say he dismissed origins, not a single thing from origins, that is both only in origins and not from comics, that he kept, or has reason to keep.

That said, I do agree with Kara the comics shouldn't have made the claws natural, for one because if they were natural it's pretty dumb that they have to pierce his skin every time (not completely unfeasible but still just dumb).

Also, the claws always were a very visible and literally painful memory of weapon x and that his prime weapon is something that was brutally forced onto him, which made him that much more of a tortured character. So yeah, I too would rather see the claws be completely artificial, but considering The Wolverine from last year it's logical Singer kept it that way.

Completely convinced singer would've ditched the bone claws had they only featured in Origins, so if that's the only thing Origins introduced that he kept I'm still gonna assume they dismiss origins. Hell FC already kinda did that with Emma frost. Origins is to be ignored and I see no reason to suspect Singer and co will do otherwise henceforth.

 

[DiFabio]

Well hey, I'm just saying, that was the one element from Origins that carried over.

It's not being "precise", the bone claws were a pretty big revelation in Origins that I never particularly cared for. You're probably right about The Wolverine, but still, Origins made it common place and Singer used the concept.

As much as I love The Wolverine, they could have easily just tossed it aside. Though, I sort of like that Singer attempted to involve ALL the films/stories, even the ones he didn't have a hand in. The scale and task of it is pretty ambitious, and it paid off.