X-Men: Days of Future Past

[DiFabio]

Fassbender, as good as he is, never gives off a sense of elegance or stoicism that Magneto should. Even though he was a villain, Mckellen Magneto was a suave, classy mother ****er that killed you with a wink. Fassbender Erik wears his heart and emotions on his sleeve. I see no real progression or "character" between First Class and DOFP for him, unlike Mcavoy who actually seems to be progressing with a nice character arc (young Xavier has been one of my favorite parts of these new movies).

I can see Mcavoy being Stewart Charles by the end of it (sans accent anyway), but I can't see the Fass becoming evil Gandalf. He's too moody and kinda bitchy. Also, that tasteless Kennedy and magic bullet crap was pretty bad for Magneto as a character, as was his 70s end game at the end of DOFP.

 

[ironwez20]

It should've. It had an entire franchise to suckle off of whereas we all knew TFA would be slow because it's an origin story and the "Skinny kid" story at that.


I'll concede that it was better than Green Lantern. But when you have to modify your argument and strip it of all it's legitimacy to claim a single film was the best of the year vs. your original claim that it was the second best of it's franchise after being shown proof that it was actually the second worst, you know you've lost your argument.



Your unabashed praise of all things ASM prior to the films' releases completely disagrees with you.

That's literally the dumbest hing I ever heard. So I wassupposed to hate a movie before it comes out right? That what the cool Internet geeks do nowadays nam? Not everything was loved either.

 

[thenammagazine]

That's literally the dumbest hing I ever heard. So I wassupposed to hate a movie before it comes out right? That what the cool Internet geeks do nowadays nam? Not everything was loved either.

Is that what I said? No. But trolling us for pointing out the issues we saw claiming they were nonexistant, only to realize after you sat trhough it that we were right all along, with both films no less, doesn't exactly give you any street cred.


And WTF is with you constantly typing "literally." Is that your spelling word for this next week?

 

[pturtle]

Fassbender, as good as he is, never gives off a sense of elegance or stoicism that Magneto should. Even though he was a villain, Mckellen Magneto was a suave, classy mother ****er that killed you with a wink. Fassbender Erik wears his heart and emotions on his sleeve. I see no real progression or "character" between First Class and DOFP for him, unlike Mcavoy who actually seems to be progressing with a nice character arc (young Xavier has been one of my favorite parts of these new movies).

I can see Mcavoy being Stewart Charles by the end of it (sans accent anyway), but I can't see the Fass becoming evil Gandalf. He's too moody and kinda bitchy. Also, that tasteless Kennedy and magic bullet crap was pretty bad for Magneto as a character, as was his 70s end game at the end of DOFP.

I actually thought he was pretty cool and calm for most of the film, only the few scenes with him and Charles debating is where he kind of loses his cool, which makes sense with him being in prison for a decent amount of time.

I definitely think his character was different compared to who he was in FC, I think his progression was through regression if that makes any sense , in FC, Magneto wasn’t a full villain yet, there was a sort of tug of war between Charles and Shaw, by the end of FC after he killed Shaw thats when he turns into a full blown villain and kind of carried on Shaw’s ideals. DOFP shows us the truly evil Magneto, at a point in his life when he’s probably his strongest, and because he’s younger he’s a bit more irrational and emotional. Even knowing the future can’t change his way of thinking, and there were a few times in the film where he showed he was willing to kill in blink of an eye, like the scene where he was about to shoot Mystique, or impaling Wolverine with metal throwing him into the ocean.

Oh and the scene where he went to retrieve his helmet, that was some pure suave **** there

 

[Brainiac]

I actually thought he was pretty cool and calm for most of the film, only the few scenes with him and Charles debating is where he kind of loses his cool, which makes sense with him being in prison for a decent amount of time.

Oh and the scene where he went to retrieve his helmet, that was some pure suave **** there

One of my favourite scenes was the plane scene where he goes full rage mode "WE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THEM".........haha awesome
and yes the helmet retrieval was pretty cool too

 

[ironwez20]

Is that what I said? No. But trolling us for pointing out the issues we saw claiming they were nonexistant, only to realize after you sat trhough it that we were right all along, with both films no less, doesn't exactly give you any street cred.


And WTF is with you constantly typing "literally." Is that your spelling word for this next week?

You no what's funny is you can't seem to let this go after it happened months ago. I mean this happened months ago, why your still harping on it and mad at me even after I said the franchise would be better with marvel is beyond me.

I don't understand why asm was even brought up I said nothing about it lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Man that was a great read last 5 pages.

My 3 favorite parts:

Nam's box office lesson
Slooting
ironwez still haunted by asm

 

[pturtle]

One of my favourite scenes was the plane scene where he goes full rage mode "WE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THEM".........haha awesome
and yes the helmet retrieval was pretty cool too

Yea Fassneto was a badass the entire film haha

 

[karamazov80]

All this Cap 2 knocking seems to be the culmination of all the praise it received in the past 5 months. I remember the same thing happened with The Dark Knight. A few peeps got tired of hearing how great it was and went into the "it's not that great" phase.

I liked all the comic book movies this year except ASM 2. Winter Soldier was fantastic, Days of Future Past was great and Guardians of the Galaxy was a really superb, "feel good" cap to the summer movie season. I really had no complaints this year. I dunno why you twerps are putting these things against each other. This year actually had a really great run compared to last year's **** fest.

Oh, and some of you need to get off of Mcavoy and Fassbender's dicks. While I wouldn't say they were simply "serviceable" (I though they were great personally), I wouldn't say they made me cry or were "Oscar" material. You know what they did? They brought Charles and Xavier to life, much like Stewart and Mckellen have done. I saw Professor X and Magneto on screen and they did a great job at portraying their characters (just like Hugh Jackman as Logan and most of the cast in these X-Men movies). You know who else did a great job of portraying their character? Chris Evans. Steve Rogers isn't a shakespearian caricature that's channeling Martin Luther King and Malcolm X like Xavier and Magneto. Cap is a good, kind hearted man that is much more simple with his ideals. Evans oozes good, principles, leadership and conviction.

Is he as good an actor as the other two? I don't know, but he is JUST as good if not better at portraying Cap as they are with their respective roles. This movie wasn't about Cap being trapped in a plastic prison or crying up stairs after taking his needle, it was Cap being in the center of this huge conspiracy and having to deal with it without compromising his ideals. The moments with the Bucky flashbacks, Falcon, the old military training post flashback, the Smithsonian museum scene with the kid, old Peggy, or letting Winter Soldier clobber him to the point of death was just as sentimental and moving as "I don't want your fuuuuutcha!!" or "you let them die Charles! You were supposed to protect them!". Chris Evans as Captain America is much more subtle, why? Because that's the character.

Interesting! But, unfortunately. . .

 

[DiFabio]

I'm surprised in you Kara. I thought you loved Cap and he was your hero.


Guess you're just a sucker for all things Apocalyptic.

 

[karamazov80]

I wouldn't say a comic book character is my hero But yeah, I'm a Cap fan, and have been since I was a kid and loved Secret Wars and this old VHS tape

He is in my top 5 Marvel guys, and being serious for a minute, Winter Soldier really did him justice, which I am thankful for. I'm a bit bummed by the prospect of our losing Rogers in the Marvel Studios U when Evans' contract expires. For me, Rogers as a character is important, and the actor portraying him is less so. And Bucky and Sam Wilson are cool characters in their own right, but they ain't Captain America any more than crazy '50s Cap was. Just like I feel Jackman should be recast as Wolvie when he leaves, I think the same should happen with Cap. This isn't an RDJ situation where you've got a distinctive actor's performance that has dominated perceptions of the character so much that it might be a mistake to recast. But we'll see how the powers that be feel about that.

Having said all that, I'm a bigger X-Men fan than a Cap fan, and DOFP beat WS in my eyes. We'll see how round 2 goes with Cap 3 vs. Apocalypse.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Can't even begin to describe how strongly I disagree with all of this. I think Chris Evans has proven that he IS Captain America. I enjoyed Scarlett as Black Widow in Avengers but she was even better in TWS for me. I buy into her 100%. She's made Black Widow one of my very favorite characters in the MCU. TWS was SLJ's best turn as Fury. And Anthony Mackie MADE Sam Wilson. He had such likability and charisma. Sebastian Stan's acting with his eyes alone in the few scenes he has..... Just don't get how anyone can knock these performances.

And Winter Soldier wasn't the villain. In fact, TWS was one of Marvel's best in terms of villains. There was no one bad guy to stop, but a corrupted system.
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Agreed on all

One of my favorite scenes was the heartbreaking one with Evans and Atwell. That scene alone for me cemented Evans as Cap.

All this Cap 2 knocking seems to be the culmination of all the praise it received in the past 5 months. I remember the same thing happened with The Dark Knight. A few peeps got tired of hearing how great it was and went into the "it's not that great" phase.

And then they start throwing their opinions around as if they were fact.

But what do I expect? This is Sideshow Freaks after all.

 

[jye4ever]

Now that AMC theaters is owned by China (red is everywhere ), I wonder if Cap 3 will now have China portrayed as a heroic state standing up against hydra.

If Disney/Marvel want Cap 3 played in AMC theaters you bet your arse that China will be saving the day in Cap 3 / Avengers 3.

 

[pturtle]

I wouldn't say a comic book character is my hero But yeah, I'm a Cap fan, and have been since I was a kid and loved Secret Wars and this old VHS tape

He is in my top 5 Marvel guys, and being serious for a minute, Winter Soldier really did him justice, which I am thankful for. I'm a bit bummed by the prospect of our losing Rogers in the Marvel Studios U when Evans' contract expires. For me, Rogers as a character is important, and the actor portraying him is less so. And Bucky and Sam Wilson are cool characters in their own right, but they ain't Captain America any more than crazy '50s Cap was. Just like I feel Jackman should be recast as Wolvie when he leaves, I think the same should happen with Cap. This isn't an RDJ situation where you've got a distinctive actor's performance that has dominated perceptions of the character so much that it might be a mistake to recast. But we'll see how the powers that be feel about that.

Having said all that, I'm a bigger X-Men fan than a Cap fan, and DOFP beat WS in my eyes. We'll see how round 2 goes with Cap 3 vs. Apocalypse.

Actually this was round 2, Cap TFA and FC was round 1 and we all know that FC was the better film.

I think there will be a sweep come 2016.

 

[karamazov80]

Actually this was round 2, Cap TFA and FC was round 1 and we all know that FC was the better film.

I think there will be a sweep come 2016.

I stand corrected! And you are, of course, correct. TFA was an average film. First Class shined despite the wacky decision of who to include on that team.

 

[DiFabio]

First Class had the lamest mutant teams in all the movies. Also little kid Mystique, Fassbender's sporadic accent changes, and Jennifer Lawrence.

First Avenger had the USO musical, Mein Red Skull and Peggy Carter's bewbs. Any argument against it is invalid. It's clearly the better film, winning by a Dum Dum Dugan.

 

[karamazov80]

The fact that First Class was awesome despite kid Banshee, kid Havok, Darwin, and "Angel" is a testament to how well made a film it was.

The fact that TFA was average despite having one of the best comic villains ever on the screen is a testament to how. . .average it truly was.

 

[thenammagazine]

The fact that First Class was awesome despite kid Banshee, kid Havok, Darwin, and "Angel" is a testament to how well made a film it was.

The fact that TFA was average despite having one of the best comic villains ever on the screen is a testament to how. . .average it truly was.

Honestly, I think much of the "First Class was awesome" by the fanboys (myself included in this one), is that it was coming off of both Last Stand and Origins. The bar was extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemely low for X-Men films at that point.

 

[karamazov80]

Well it is all relative. I'm not comparing any of this stuff to Coen Brothers movies. But I rewatched First Class a few months ago and still loved it. I rewatched First Avenger around the same time and appreciated Red Skull more than ever with all the lame villains we've had in comic movies more recently. But otherwise it still failed to strike a chord.

 

[DiFabio]

All the mutants save for Charles, Magneto, "**** off" Logan, and maybe Kevin Bacon sucked. All the characters in First Avenger were great, especially the military base bully.

First Avenger may have lame laser guns, big ole' tanks, and rushed through it's last act with a quickness, but it had heart. Heart is what matters most.