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Yeah, I respect him a lot for not going off on social media attacking Warner Bros. His movies are pretty dark, but he seems like a super positive and great guy.
David Ayer jabbed at Geoff Johns saying a specific plot point in Suicide Squad was personally changed by him, and saying his cut was given the ?Edward Scissorhands treatment?, so I?m curious to see if Warner or AT&T will be as willing to give him his cut.
Yeah, I respect him a lot for not going off on social media attacking Warner Bros. His movies are pretty dark, but he seems like a super positive and great guy.
David Ayer jabbed at Geoff Johns saying a specific plot point in Suicide Squad was personally changed by him, and saying his cut was given the ?Edward Scissorhands treatment?, so I?m curious to see if Warner or AT&T will be as willing to give him his cut.
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A WB Film Executive, Walter Hamada, has taken the reins of DC Films, he works closely with the new DC Chief Creative Officer, longtime and beloved Marvel/DC/Image artist Jim Lee. Johns was likely forced out of this role as CCO after his DC Films meddling (and the fact that his changes didn't improve profits). Lee is reportedly well-liked and respected within WB circles. Johns reportedly serves in an "advisory" role for DC films aside from booted down to working on "Stargirl", but I don't think they listen to him much anymore...his meddling and actions have smeared his name in Hollywood.
Grace Randolph (from YouTube's "Beyond the Trailer" about Hollywood news, movies, etc.) broke the news from her sources and also commented heavily how Johns nose-dived his reputation through his actions. After that, a lot of stories about Johns came out and you've seen how quickly the fans and the former JL cast have leapt onto the Snyder cut. Also note that they've managed to re-obtain a lot of the cast as well like Cavill and now Affleck. I think having Johns out is undoubtedly a HUGE contributor to WB "righting" the DCEU/Cinematic Multiverse ship.
A WB Film Executive, Walter Hamada, has taken the reins of DC Films, he works closely with the new DC Chief Creative Officer, longtime and beloved Marvel/DC/Image artist Jim Lee. Johns was likely forced out of this role as CCO after his DC Films meddling (and the fact that his changes didn't improve profits). Lee is reportedly well-liked and respected within WB circles. Johns reportedly serves in an "advisory" role for DC films aside from booted down to working on "Stargirl", but I don't think they listen to him much anymore...his meddling and actions have smeared his name in Hollywood.
Grace Randolph (from YouTube's "Beyond the Trailer" about Hollywood news, movies, etc.) broke the news from her sources and also commented heavily how Johns nose-dived his reputation through his actions. After that, a lot of stories about Johns came out and you've seen how quickly the fans and the former JL cast have leapt onto the Snyder cut. Also note that they've managed to re-obtain a lot of the cast as well like Cavill and now Affleck. I think having Johns out is undoubtedly a HUGE contributor to WB "righting" the DCEU/Cinematic Multiverse ship.
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I'm sorry, but I can't help but chuckle every time I see someone refer to the 2017 theatrical release as Joss Whedon's Justice League. I mean, I fault him for being a mercenary, but it's crystal clear to most people that the movie failed because stylistically it ended up as a Frankenstein's monster of a film. WB no doubt threw a ****load of money Whedon's way with instructions to redo as much of it as possible in a compressed time frame, but I think there's a reason he's more than happy to let Zack have full credit for directing the film. If Whedon had been there from the start of the DCEU instead of Snyder, JL would have been a completely different movie (for one thing, he probably wouldn't have had to resurrect Superman after killing him off in the previous film). I'm not implying it would be better, but it would have a consistent, coherent vision - just as we're all expecting will be the case with the Snyder Cut.
I'm sorry, but I can't help but chuckle every time I see someone refer to the 2017 theatrical release as Joss Whedon's Justice League. I mean, I fault him for being a mercenary, but it's crystal clear to most people that the movie failed because stylistically it ended up as a Frankenstein's monster of a film. WB no doubt threw a ****load of money Whedon's way with instructions to redo as much of it as possible in a compressed time frame, but I think there's a reason he's more than happy to let Zack have full credit for directing the film. If Whedon had been there from the start of the DCEU instead of Snyder, JL would have been a completely different movie (for one thing, he probably wouldn't have had to resurrect Superman after killing him off in the previous film). I'm not implying it would be better, but it would have a consistent, coherent vision - just as we're all expecting will be the case with the Snyder Cut.
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Well, there's always Ron Howard's Solo to draw comparisons. New director brought in at the last minute to reshoot and change the entire feel of the movie, yet, despite its lacklustre BO performance, Solo is actually a decent film. Same cannot be said about JL.
Well, there's always Ron Howard's Solo to draw comparisons. New director brought in at the last minute to reshoot and change the entire feel of the movie, yet, despite its lacklustre BO performance, Solo is actually a decent film. Same cannot be said about JL.
Re: Zack Snyder's Justice League coming in 2021
IMO that's not the best comparison. Unlike Solo, JL was basically a follow-up/sequel to two previous movies (MoS & BvS), so we were all well acquainted with the first director's style. I have no idea what Lord & Miller had planned/filmed for Solo, so any changes that Howard made aren't readily apparent. I also think Howard was brought on earlier in the production cycle, so the situation probably was neither as compressed nor contentious.
IMO that's not the best comparison. Unlike Solo, JL was basically a follow-up/sequel to two previous movies (MoS & BvS), so we were all well acquainted with the first director's style. I have no idea what Lord & Miller had planned/filmed for Solo, so any changes that Howard made aren't readily apparent. I also think Howard was brought on earlier in the production cycle, so the situation probably was neither as compressed nor contentious.
abake
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Point taken, doesn't change the fact that Whedon's input wasn't good.
Point taken, doesn't change the fact that Whedon's input wasn't good.
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True, but then Steppenwolf was one of the worst CGI creations ever put on film, so Snyder isn't completely blameless.
True, but then Steppenwolf was one of the worst CGI creations ever put on film, so Snyder isn't completely blameless.
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Steppenwolf wasn't supposed to look like that originally. Warner pushed Zack to change the design to something more "human", rather than using the design from the end of BvS.
Zack has said on Vero that Steppenwolf is getting a complete makeover in the Snyder Cut, to look more in line with what we saw in that scene with Luthor.
Rather than...
Honestly though, I think something like this fan edit would've been awesome.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/84k2wb/fanmade_did_some_edits_on_steppenwolf/
Even this edit using Ciaran Hinds' actual face looks good.
Steppenwolf wasn't supposed to look like that originally. Warner pushed Zack to change the design to something more "human", rather than using the design from the end of BvS.
Zack has said on Vero that Steppenwolf is getting a complete makeover in the Snyder Cut, to look more in line with what we saw in that scene with Luthor.
Rather than...
Honestly though, I think something like this fan edit would've been awesome.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/84k2wb/fanmade_did_some_edits_on_steppenwolf/
Even this edit using Ciaran Hinds' actual face looks good.
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Yes, but compromise or not the Steppenwolf we saw on screen in JL is what Snyder created, not Whedon. So now that he knows it was generally disliked he gets to change it and claim that's what he really wanted to do all along. I think we need to campaign to see what was actually in those film canisters that were in the pic he shared back in December. Release the REAL Snyder Cut, not the retconned version!
Steppenwolf wasn't supposed to look like that originally. Warner pushed Zack to change the design to something more "human", rather than using the design from the end of BvS.
Zack has said on Vero that Steppenwolf is getting a complete makeover in the Snyder Cut, to look more in line with what we saw in that scene with Luthor.
Rather than...
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Yes, but compromise or not the Steppenwolf we saw on screen in JL is what Snyder created, not Whedon. So now that he knows it was generally disliked he gets to change it and claim that's what he really wanted to do all along. I think we need to campaign to see what was actually in those film canisters that were in the pic he shared back in December. Release the REAL Snyder Cut, not the retconned version!
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To be fair, the design looks like it's hard to make look good.
The theatrical version of JL was stripped of a lot of Zack's color grading and grain, so maybe a "completed" version would've been a little less blatant. There were some shots in BvS where Doomsday didn't look bad, like when the helicopter is shining a light on him.
To be fair, the design looks like it's hard to make look good.
The theatrical version of JL was stripped of a lot of Zack's color grading and grain, so maybe a "completed" version would've been a little less blatant. There were some shots in BvS where Doomsday didn't look bad, like when the helicopter is shining a light on him.
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Yeah, the actual CGI wasn't the problem - it was the "underdeveloped" design.
Yeah, the actual CGI wasn't the problem - it was the "underdeveloped" design.
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Re: Zack Snyder's Justice League coming in 2021
Don't forget story and characters.
Don't forget story and characters.
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Well duh the cgi looked good I?m talking about the overall design itself, he looked like a cave troll. Horrible design. With or without the spikes. Isn?t doomsday grey and not crap brown ?
Well duh the cgi looked good I?m talking about the overall design itself, he looked like a cave troll. Horrible design. With or without the spikes. Isn?t doomsday grey and not crap brown ?
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Uhm... that looks a lot more grey than brown to me...
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Uhm... that looks a lot more grey than brown to me...
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That seriously looks brown to you? Really? Ok
Edit. Looking at some pics. In some he looks grey in others he looks brown
That seriously looks brown to you? Really? Ok
Edit. Looking at some pics. In some he looks grey in others he looks brown
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