Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon

[ironwez20]

If we have to change it, I suggest "What thought can ironwez pretend is a fact today" but it might get confused with other threads.

You never gave me any facts to to counter . Your argument is only “nuh uh you’re a hater” like you saying people would enjoy a cyborg movie more than Bp. Nobody connected with that cyborg or cares about him at that level he wasn’t built up like black panther and he’s boring . A monotone sad version of the character. Also terrible design

 

[The Buffinator]

Do you tink Netflix will care as long as it brings in the views?

No, but if people don't find the first installment engaging they're unlikely to return for more. RM may have gotten enough views to satisfy Netflix, but will Part 2 & subsequent installments do as well? Unlikely. That's why I think a series treatment would have worked better. People are more accustomed to (& tolerant of) slow builds and gradual character reveals with a series, whereas in movies? Not so much.

 

[ironwez20]

Do you tink Netflix will care as long as it brings in the views?

Netflix doesn’t care about the views anymore they care about new subs. Views are a plus. They canceled way better shows that had highter views cause they thought they didn’t bring in the money. So yea rebel moon def ain’t getting its third or fourth directors cut. Nobody cares that much. Hell you might not get a third. I’ll be praying for ya.

 

[ironwez20]

No, but if people don't find the first installment engaging they're unlikely to return for more. RM may have gotten enough views to satisfy Netflix, but will Part 2 & subsequent installments do as well? Unlikely. That's why I think a series treatment would have worked better. People are more accustomed to (& tolerant of) slow builds and gradual character reveals with a series, whereas in movies? Not so much.

Yea pretty much. It’s getting ripped apart everywhere and fallout series is the one getting positive praise.
The complaint I’m seeing is the slow motion

 

[Otomofan]

Yes, that's what I was waiting for!! Alatar's blustery long-winded defense of a truly rotten movie, delivered with the air of "You people are just too stupid to get it....I get it. This is ART."

The way he bends himself into a pretzel to try to find any kind of deeper "meaning" in this dreck reminds of an art critic breathlessly raving about a pile of trash in the corner, not realizing it's just garbage.

No, the glasses on the floor were not a breathtaking and daring statement in the world of art. And a bad movie is just a bad movie. It's all it is, all it ever will be. Nobody intends to make a bad movie. Snyder tried. He failed. He's just not talented enough, or maybe he's just lazy.

Rebel Moon is very, very bad. You can try to read into it, but there's just nothing there. You're just on your knees taking a picture of someone's glasses on the floor.

 

[T8OO]

Yes, that's what I was waiting for!! Alatar's blustery long-winded defense of a truly rotten movie, delivered with the air of "You people are just too stupid to get it....I get it. This is ART."

The way he bends himself into a pretzel to try to find any kind of deeper "meaning" in this dreck reminds of an art critic breathlessly raving about a pile of trash in the corner, not realizing it's just garbage.

No, the glasses on the floor were not a breathtaking and daring statement in the world of art. And a bad movie is just a bad movie. It's all it is, all it ever will be. Nobody intends to make a bad movie. Snyder tried. He failed. He's just not talented enough, or maybe he's just lazy.

Rebel Moon is very, very bad. You can try to read into it, but there's just nothing there. You're just on your knees taking a picture of someone's glasses on the floor.

Alatar starts his 21st viewing...

 

[T8OO]

You never gave me any facts to to counter . Your argument is only “nuh uh you’re a hater” like you saying people would enjoy a cyborg movie more than Bp. Nobody connected with that cyborg or cares about him at that level he wasn’t built up like black panther and he’s boring . A monotone sad version of the character. Also terrible design

Where did I say more people would enjoy a Cyborg movie more than BP?

The bold above is what you think, that doesn't cover everyone.
Cyborg would have been in Justice League and the Flash before his solo. He could have had a better set up than BP.

 

[ironwez20]

Where did I say more people would enjoy a Cyborg movie more than BP?

The bold above is what you think, that doesn't cover everyone.
Cyborg would have been in Justice League and the Flash before his solo. He could have had a better set up than BP.

Didn’t you say they would enjoyCyborg more so then BP cause it was a bland movie.
And what do you mean lol. He was barely in bvs and in the JL version he was just there in the synder cut he had more to do but he was just there. Soo mean maybe if DC stayed the course he would have but I doubt it do to snyders terrible writing

 

[ironwez20]

Well Snyder is coming out with an animated series so maybe he will excel in that? That should be exciting to see.

 

[Fujita]

For the same amount of time some people have wasted defending these two films, they could have up-skilled themselves and got a degree in a new career that doesn't allow them so much free time.

Can I put "Didnt watch Rebel Moon" in a college essay and get in? My parents would finally be proud of me.

I'm just one man. But I feel compelled to do my part. If my complaining saves just one person the precious two hours of their life that would be better spent mowing the lawn, painting a fence, or sitting on the toilet instead of watching this pathetic drivel, then complain I will.

See, now I have to watch it. You made it sound so bad it's enticing.

Netflix doesn’t care about the views anymore they care about new subs. Views are a plus. They canceled way better shows that had highter views cause they thought they didn’t bring in the money. So yea rebel moon def ain’t getting its third or fourth directors cut. Nobody cares that much. Hell you might not get a third. I’ll be praying for ya.

They cancel everything I love. I wrote a letter but never got a response.


OFFICIAL ADMIN: Guys, cool down with the calling out members who liked the movies. It's not for everyone, and that's fine, but I don't want the thread to break down to pettiness and name-calling.

 

[Wor-Gar]

His movies ARE cartoons.

 

[JacktheRipper]

That might be an insult to cartoons.

 

[T8OO]

Didn’t you say they would enjoyCyborg more so then BP cause it was a bland movie.
And what do you mean lol. He was barely in bvs and in the JL version he was just there in the synder cut he had more to do but he was just there. Soo mean maybe if DC stayed the course he would have but I doubt it do to snyders terrible writing

I said I think it would have been a better movie.
Black Panther was in Civil War before his solo movie. I wasn't even going to count BvS but yeah he was in that too. Cyborg would have been in Justice League and the Flash before his solo, He was a huge part of JL.
Zack Snyder isn't the writer for any DC movies.

 

[ironwez20]

I said I think it would have been a better movie.
Black Panther was in Civil War before his solo movie. I wasn't even going to count BvS but yeah he was in that too. Cyborg would have been in Justice League and the Flash before his solo, He was a huge part of JL.
Zack Snyder isn't the writer for any DC movies.

I doubt that and Snyder didn’t write the story for bvs or Snyder cut or men of steel? He just shrugged his shoulders and got handed the script and directed it? No input whatsoever?

 

[The Buffinator]

I doubt that and Snyder didn’t write the story for bvs or Snyder cut or men of steel? He just shrugged his shoulders and got handed the script and directed it? No input whatsoever?

He's credited with writing the JL/ZSJL story with Chris Terrio. Terrio has the the sole screenplay credit for ZSJL and shares it with one Joss Whedon for the PG-13 Netflix cut OG JL.

 

[ironwez20]

He's credited with writing the JL/ZSJL story with Chris Terrio. Terrio has the the sole screenplay credit for ZSJL and shares it with one Joss Whedon for the PG-13 Netflix cut OG JL.

Damn so it all comes full circle. Kinda like how snyders best film dawn of the dead had the help of James Gunn

 

[Wor-Gar]

James Gunn and Joss Whedon are working on a new Sonic movie, reimagined.

Sonic is being recast, to be played by the guy playing Pa Kent.

 

[Sachiel]

Nobody connected with that cyborg or cares about him at that level he wasn’t built up like black panther and he’s boring . A monotone sad version of the character. Also terrible design

You don't get it. It's a deconstruction of Teen Titans Go! Cyborg.

 

[Alatar]

This is where I feel Snyder and Netflix have completely missed the mark. I think more people might have cut them some slack on RM if it was released as a limited/continuing series, but there is an expectation amongst viewers that they're going to witness a complete story (with character development) unfold on screen when they sit down to watch a movie. The best movie franchises have launched from single films that were so captivating that sequels were the next logical step, whereas it seems RM has the cart before the horse. It's all well and good that Snyder has mapped out where he wants his RM franchise to go, but it's not going to matter if he doesn't first get viewers to care enough about the world and characters that he created. He may have achieved this in your view, but by all indications you're decidely in the minority.

I don’t think anyone needs a complete story to kick this thing off. I remember watching the first six episodes of Game of Thrones and actually getting a bit restless and bored, but I was into it for what I sensed would be some topflight world-building, just based on the bares bones I was initially seeing. I get that GoT is an 8 season miniseries. But if Zack gets to continue Rebel Moon he’s talking about 6 long-ass films. If each is 3 hours that’s on par with a miniseries imho.

I think to whatever extent what you’re saying is true, it would be tolerated easily if some basic expectations that were set by the first trailer had been met. I would still maintain that the main disappointment is that Rebel Moon isn’t delivering what most fans wanted and expected regarding how the genre is to be experienced and appreciated. Zack has his own artistic and philosophical concept in his head about subversively applying a sci-fi/fantasy pulp B movie aesthetic to “Star Wars,” and that’s what we’re getting with the finished product. The tone is quirky and offbeat. It’s a strange fusion of diverse elements that come together into a very strange amalgamation, and not in a particularly pretty or soothing way. However the trailer for Part 1 signaled that Rebel Moon would be a straight-ahead actioner with gorgeous visuals on par with some of his best work cinematographically—and hopefully something that could possibly rival Star Wars for those with a deep love for the genre in its classical form!

And for fans that love and want the classical form of the genre, that’s kind of an uncool tease. So those people are pissed.

That being said, I saw Zack say in a recent interview that he sees himself as a “provocateur.” Which is consistent with all the genre deconstruction and subversion that he himself says he’s into. But it’s such a dangerous game to play career-wise.

 

[abake]

So I watched Part 2 and enjoyed it. There’s nothing “bad” for me about the two PG13 cuts of Part 1 and Part 2. In particular I really like the characters, story, and universe/lore. I want to see the saga develop, and I look forward to the quest that the surviving team now has at the end of Part 2.

I’m fine with a slow burn for worldbuilding. I want to gradually learn more about all this stuff: the Imperium, The Mother World, the origins of the royal family, Issa in each incarnation/aspect, the creepy cyber-punk religion that corrupts Issa's true spiritual meaning, the rebellion, the Jimmies and their chivalric role, the cyber-punk tech including the neural link, and so on. In the first two films for a franchise like this I only expect to be introduced to those things.

I appreciate that in this mythos’ good vs. evil design the force of “good” shows up as Druidic in nature, i.e., through connection to the earth, the wild, Nature, etc. That’s fun to play with. Jimmy in particular in that aspect. Jimmy is to me a symbol of alchemical conjunction.

And I was a bit surprised but ultimately pleased to see the force of good also shows up as a collectivist farm community! With “evil” as obviously fascist and authoritarian with echoes of Nazism. But it looks like it also comments on industrialization/capitalism’s utterly depraved disregard and even disdain for anything but profit; and it’s utter zeal to ruthlessly exploit any and all resources it can find rather than care most about the quality of human experience and be a respectful steward of the planet. So much for the assumption of a “Randian objectivist” Zack Snyder! This is hippy Snyder.

Anyway, it’s interesting to me that I find the story is the strongest part of the Rebel Moon experience for me. Because in a Snyder film usually I’m more captivated by 1) visuals, i.e., cinematography, action, fight choreography, and 2) meta-contextual themes, i.e., genre commentary (often in the form of visual Easter eggs) and deconstruction.

And therein lies the problem, I think, for this franchise. The average viewer wanted a fairly straight-ahead genre approach to “Star Wars”… maybe something more or less like the treatment of Superman in Man of Steel. And they were really excited for the first trailer for Rebel Moon Part 1. It looked like Star Wars but done in an earthier, grittier, and edgier way.

That isn’t actually what Snyder is doing here. Which was very disappointing to a lot of prospective fans. Instead, he’s deconstructing “Star Wars” by giving it a pulp sci-fi/fantasy B movie aesthetic. I suspect he went that route because the original 1977 Star Wars was actually intended by George Lucas as a B movie. And honestly, that film is pretty damn cheesy—complete with an over-the-top villain and damsel in distress to rescue.

That being said, 1977 Star Wars also raised the bar tremendously for that genre. It featured upgraded practical special effects through excellent use of scale models and clever camera angles. And it created a fresh feeling creative new fantasy mythos of the Jedi philosophy (even though ultimately derivative, there’s nothing new under the sun). Oh, and obviously the characters were great.

In any case, 1977 Star Wars is ultimately a B movie. Rebel Moon is deconstructing that aspect of it. And that is clearly not what most viewers wanted or asked for. Rather, they wanted a relatively sincere take on the genre. Not necessarily for Star Wars to be dethroned by it. But to get a worthy rival to it.

Another source of disappointment for many viewers is that people have grown accustomed to Snyder delivering truly gorgeous and epic looking cinematography, action, and fight choreography. Such as in 300, Watchmen, Man of Steel, and BvS. Rebel Moon has some nice stuff going on visually. But it is not at the god tier level of those four Snyder films just mentioned.

So at the end of the day we have something that to me is still intriguing and immersive. I’ll be fascinated to see how the “over the top” violence and graphic sex scenes in the director’s cuts vulgarize the sincerity and wholesomeness of “Star Wars,” and make the sacred profane. I think there Snyder is attempting to bring two poles of a duality together into a unity of some sort. Like trying to achieve the alchemical “coiniunctio.” But it is something that is bound to disappoint “normie” general audience viewers—and even many of his hardcore fans.

Nah, sorry man, I really don't see what you are seeing in these movies.
Whatever it is that Snyder was trying to do, it didn't work for me this time. I'm a huge fan of his DC movies, but this is not good by any stretch of the imagination. Snyder needs a good story and script to unleash his vision on the unsuspecting crowd, and this most definitely does not have a good script. The story itself might be fine, as well known as it is, but the script is simply bad.
I mean, even the big reveal of the "scargiver's" true story is completely devoid of pathos and drama. It's just another vignette in a series of vignettes that have no real emotional impact. I very much doubt a longer cut of this will make it any better, but I suppose I'll give it a chance when it comes out.