1/4 Hot Toys - QS005 - Avengers: AoU - Iron Man Mark 43 Collectible Figure

[lotus000]

The Mark 43 is supposed to be 20 inches I believe which is surprising because Hot Toys 1/4 offering are usually shorter than everyone else's.


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Wait until it gets released. The Hot Toys descriptions are never accurate when it comes to actual size of figure.Most likely it ill be about 18" tall which is based on a 1:1 average 6ft human.

 

[Motuxmen]

PI closed? Are they King Arts?

They spun off the marvel license into Comicave or CMC studios. PI is still open but not doing marvel. It's the same people, same license, same owners, and a few new people.

 

[epitaph04]

Yeah we'll see. Their 1/4 batman really is 18.5 inches tall...but that measures to the tip of the ears. That makes him shorter than pretty much every 1/4 figure/statue I've owned.

I also like to think an Iron Man suit would be a tad bulkier than a regular dude. Not quite like a master chief, but definitely a tad beefier.

 

[lotus000]

Yeah we'll see. Their 1/4 batman really is 18.5 inches tall...but that measures to the tip of the ears. That makes him shorter than pretty much every 1/4 figure/statue I've owned.

I also like to think an Iron Man suit would be a tad bulkier than a regular dude. Not quite like a master chief, but definitely a tad beefier.

If I ever feel the need to get a little more height out of him I just lift the faceplate up and then he comes out to 18.25 inches. I'm not really concerned about height as long as the proportions look right.

I love the Hot Toys Mark 43 Head sculpt, and most likely they will be first to the market so I will eventually end up with the Mark 43 first to join my other 1/4 Iron man armors. UNLESS they make the Mark 43 to real 1:1 Robert Downy JR scale, then he will be shorter then 18".

 

[Royce12]

As for diecast..that's not a big selling point. At least for me. It's 1940s technology that some marketing guy has turned around to make it cool again. Tonka toys where diecast. Diecast was used on some lines in the 80s. To me this is 3D all over. The TV tech that started in the 40s and makes a comeback every 15-20 years when a new group of people are around. It's not a big upside. Especially in a 1/4 scale. It's like being happy your statue is concrete. Being heavier is not something I ever thought would be a selling point. Crazy.

When you buy a replica of something that is made of metal (toy or not) and that aspect of the the original is carried over it provides a tangible sense of satisfaction for a lot of collectors. We are buying miniaturized metal suits of armor and we nitpick every detail that is not faithful to the original. Having the material reflect that accuracy is nice and certainly can be viewed as a selling point. What monetary value this holds may be up for dispute but it adds a satisfaction value for sure. When you pick up a metal iron man figure it feels right.. Same as when you buy a Hot Toys Wolverine figure and the claws are metal instead of plastic.. Same as when you buy a replica Captain America shield and when it arrives you feel the heft and density of the metal.. Same as how buying a real metal sword is more satisfying than the same sword but made of plastic.




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[lotus000]

When you buy a replica of something that is made of metal (toy or not) and that aspect of the the original is carried over it provides a tangible since of satisfaction for a lot of collectors. We are buying miniaturized metal suits of armor and we nitpick every detail that is not faithful to the original. Having the material reflect that accuracy is nice and certainly can be viewed as a selling point. What monetary value this holds my be up for dispute but it adds a satisfaction value for sure. When you pick up a metal iron man figure it feels right.. Same as when you buy a Hot Toys Wolverine figure and the claws are metal instead of plastic.. Same as when you buy a replica Captain America shield and when it arrives you feel the heft and density of the metal.. Same as how buying a real metal sword is more satisfying than the same sword but made of plastic.

Well thought. I do agree with what you are saying Royce. It is a cool feeling to think I have a miniature metal feeling Iron man armor in my hands when I'm posing him, or just moving him to clean the glass.

 

[Royce12]

Well thought. I do agree with what you are saying Royce. It is a cool feeling to think I have a miniature metal feeling Iron man armor in my hands when I'm posing him, or just moving him to clean the glass.

Yeah when it's just sitting in the display it doesn't matter. But those times when you need to interact with it are always impressive because of that extra sensory item. Even makes me want to handle it more often than some other figures.


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[epitaph04]

Oh just fyi my enterbay terminator measures 19 inches to the very tip of his hair.

 

[lotus000]

Oh just fyi my enterbay terminator measures 19 inches to the very tip of his hair.

Truthfully when I did my video I loosely held up the ruler next to both PI 1/4 scale figures. I did not lay them down on a table and decompress the spine. When I get a chance I will take him out and measure him exactly. Even if they are 18" tall I still like the look of the proportions to the height. I feel PI did a good job representing the 1/4 scale armor. Until then this is what I found so far about scales.

Action figures can come in many different sizes. The sizes are commonly referred to as action figure scales. When you are buying toys from other collectors you will notice that they use the action figure scales to describe the figure. It is all part of the action figure language.

If you were to look up scale in the dictionary you would see that it says it is a proportion used in determining the dimensional relationship of a representation to that which it represents. In other words, scale refers to the relation to a normal sized object.

Action figure companies use the standard size of an ideal human being as 6 feet tall. So for example if an action figure was in 1:1 scale it would be 6 feet tall.
1:4 Scale (18″)

1:4 scale is a popular larger scale action figure. They are usually articulated and have hair and removable clothing. Some people will refer to figures this size as dolls.action figure scales
1:6 Scale (12″)

This scale was the scale that the very first action figure (G.I. Joe) was. One of the more popular companies today that make 1:6 scale action figures is Hot Toys. They usually have unreal articulation and look like real people. They are very expensive but you probably won’t be disappointed.
1:9 Scale (8″)

This scale was first created by the Mego toy company. One popular line was the World’s Greatest Heroes line of 8″ action figures in the 70s and 80s. Other action figure lines followed using this size and quickly became popular. G.I. Joe actually shrunk down to this size.
1:10 Scale (7″)

This scale was seen by action figure lines like Marvel Legends and DC Universe.This size along with 1:12 is more popular with adult collectors instead of kids.
1:12 Scale (5″-6″)

This scale was very popular in the 90 with lines like Last Action Hero, Congo, and Jurassic Park. This scale almost killed the 3.75″ line in the 90s and will not be forgotten.
1:18 Scale (3.75″-4″)

1:18 scale is by far the most popular action figure scale. I have taken a poll in the ToyArk forums and 70%+ of the collectors there prefer 3.75″ figures than any other. You can get figures in this size with lines like G.I. Joe, Marvel Universe, Star Wars, etc.

 

[epitaph04]

Oh I know that. All's I'm trying to say is that an Iron Man suit is gonna be taller *and* bigger than an average 6 foot tall person. I also realize different companies do scales differently but I just always prefer when characters are properly scaled. It just bugs me seeing arnie being as big if not bigger than an Iron Man suit. It's why I've never owned any NECA "1/4" scale preds or that master chief figure. A typical pred or spartan is going to be over 7 feet tall.

I just like to see that reflected on my shelves. But yeah...action figures.

 

[Motuxmen]

When you buy a replica of something that is made of metal (toy or not) and that aspect of the the original is carried over it provides a tangible since of satisfaction for a lot of collectors. We are buying miniaturized metal suits of armor and we nitpick every detail that is not faithful to the original. Having the material reflect that accuracy is nice and certainly can be viewed as a selling point. What monetary value this holds may be up for dispute but it adds a satisfaction value for sure. When you pick up a metal iron man figure it feels right.. Same as when you buy a Hot Toys Wolverine figure and the claws are metal instead of plastic.. Same as when you buy a replica Captain America shield and when it arrives you feel the heft and density of the metal.. Same as how buying a real metal sword is more satisfying than the same sword but made of plastic.




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The material doesn't reflect the original. Pot metal, white metal, whatever version they use is no closer to the "fake real suit". In fact the practical suit made for the movies is not metal either. It's not like they use the same metal. Nor is it weight accurate. And the parts of these suits they do use diecast on don't reflect the make up of the suit.

The argument would make sense if they used something remotely close to what the suit would be made of. But they don't. And if it where based on a "real" suit most of the parts that are diecast would be a composite material like Kevlar or some next gen composite. Especially if he wanted it to anything more then stand there. Weight reduction would be the focus.

So saying its becuase diecast better reflects the real suit is just missing it. The material used for diecast is no closer to what would be used then plastic. It's like saying you don't buy human figures becuase they don't have meat in them. Or bags of water. It doesn't mean quality.

And quality is the sticking point for me. Most of the posts I've responded to about diecast are becuase people say it's better quality. That's just not the case. At best, at the very best, it's equal. The metal used in the figures is the cheapest metal and is soft and brittle. And yes, heavy. But it's not better quality. It's not more accurate.

For the suit to not look like master chief or some other huge bulky item it would need to use composite materials and super light weight items. Otherwise it would be massive. Iron monger not iron man. And to be "accurate" it would need to weigh like...i don't know 150 lbs. or more. From the movie where he crashes thru his mansions roof he would have to be over 1000lbs(I'm guessing twice that). But let's go with 1000 lbs. so a 1/6 version would need to be...like 160(I think that's right. Been out of school a long while and my phone isn't calculator so can't use it and type.) 1/6 is .1666 multiple that by 1000 get 166. My point was diecast is no more accurate then plastic injection. And could be closer to what a majority of a real suit would be (carbon fiber and Kevlar and other state of the art composites). But that is completly beside the point, really. It's the argument that DC is quality while injection molded is "cheap". It's just not the case. Injection molded plastics is a much more high tech and advanced then diecast. It's just not as heavy. That's the only difference. If they put lead weights in the shoes you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between diecast and plastic.

 

[Royce12]

Of course it doesn't match the actual movie material.. Never said that. Never mentioned die-cast either. But the movie effects are designed to make you believe that it's metal and a die cast figure is metal. No deeper than that.


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[lotus000]

Motuxmen,
Been collecting Transformers for years. I think most of us understand what Die cast is made of. Not the point here. Point is the name of him is IRON MAN !!!!!! The name itself translates into made of metal. Iron man one, he hand makes his suite from forging metal he had laying around. Even though the suite evolved , it is still called IRON MAN, So until the name changes, I want to think the suit is made of some type of metal whether composite or whatever.

PS: yes I understand the movies went in the direction that Tony Stark inside the suite is Iron Man.

 

[lotus000]

Oh I know that. All's I'm trying to say is that an Iron Man suit is gonna be taller *and* bigger than an average 6 foot tall person. I also realize different companies do scales differently but I just always prefer when characters are properly scaled. It just bugs me seeing arnie being as big if not bigger than an Iron Man suit. It's why I've never owned any NECA "1/4" scale preds or that master chief figure. A typical pred or spartan is going to be over 7 feet tall.
I just like to see that reflected on my shelves. But yeah...action figures.

If we put all the number crunching aside, the ultimate goal would be to place the PI 1/4 War Machine figure next to your 1/4 Mark 42 Maquette Statue and compare the proportions of each armors to see which one looks better. You cant really compare height because there is no way to straighten out your Statue on a flat table. It would be cool to pose War machine in a similar pose as the Maquette to get a better idea.

 

[Motuxmen]

Motuxmen,
Been collecting Transformers for years. I think most of us understand what Die cast is made of. Not the point here. Point is the name of him is IRON MAN !!!!!! The name itself translates into made of metal. Iron man one, he hand makes his suite from forging metal he had laying around. Even though the suite evolved , it is still called IRON MAN, So until the name changes, I want to think the suit is made of some type of metal whether composite or whatever.

PS: yes I understand the movies went in the direction that Tony Stark inside the suite is Iron Man.

So hawkman is made of Hawks and batman is made of bats. It's a nick name not a description.

 

[lotus000]

So hawkman is made of Hawks and batman is made of bats. It's a nick name not a description.

Semantics here .......... Iron man started in the 60s as a man in an Iron suite. hence the nickname Iron man.

 

[Motuxmen]

Of course it doesn't match the actual movie material.. Never said that. Never mentioned die-cast either. But the movie effects are designed to make you believe that it's metal and a die cast figure is metal. No deeper than that.


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I understand your argument..but I just don't agree. It's why I said it wasn't a selling point for me. Diecast is not any more realistic then snow as far as I'm concerned. As neither material would be in the suit, if it where real. It's not an more accurate weight wise. As it's still nearly two hundred pounds to light. I don't expect replicas of imaginary super hero props or suits to be made of the same materials so I don't care if they use something in the same section of the periodic table, as long as it has the same appearance. And both plastic and diecast do. And plastic is more functional.

I get what you are saying, and you made your argument very well. Points for that. I just don't agree that diecast has any benefits over plastic, in any sense. Except it's heavier. And that to me is not something I base my figure buying on. It will spend 99.9% of its life on a shelf or in a display. So the weight is pointless most the time. And in those 99% times being lighter, especially on a 1/4 scale, will be a huge plus. The mk42 has been out what, like two years? I've reposed it maybe five times. Let's round that all up into 1 day total. (It's more like 45 minutes but whatever) so the other 700 days the weight is either meaningless or a hindrance, as it can't be left in normal flight poses or some others due to the weight.

 

[Royce12]

Point taken. I can understand your perspective and why it means nothing to you. And if you understand why I appreciate die cast on certain figures I don't need you to agree. As long as we are open to other perspectives.


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[Motuxmen]

Semantics here .......... Iron man started in the 60s as a man in an Iron suite. hence the nickname Iron man.

I get that. And with that first suit you could almost see that being an iron suit. But we are not talking about those days. This is supposed to be about the film suits.

As I said, it's not like we down grade the human figures becuase they are not meat. Heck when they use synthetic hair people flip out. Or the lasers are not actual lasers. The hydraulics don't actually have fluid. But for some reason iron man has to be diecast? Or diecast is better. I could understand if it where made out of some space age metal. But what they actually use is barely metal. Lol it's not anywhere close to anything stark would use. Lol

I get that that feel, the weight, is cool. It's neat. Totally agree. BUT-that does not equate to quality or a reason to spend more of a selling point for me.

 

[lotus000]

I need to leave one more comment since we have a pretty good conversation here with multiple opinions about what an Iron Man Armor is made of. Here is the scene of the Mark 42 Test. Listen to all the Metallic sounds it makes, when grafting to his limbs, and when it falls on the floor. Forget about the Comics. Even in the movies we love, the writers want you to think that Iron Man Armor suites consist of some type of metal that makes metallic sounds.

I can only speak as to my opinion, when I think Iron Man suites of Armor I like the psychological feeling of them containing some type of metallic substance. Therefore I like the feeling of picking up my 1/6th or 1/4 "pot" metal forged Iron men and posing them more than my 1/6th Plastic Armors.