1/6 Hot Toys Rogue One: JYN ERSO

[momaw]

Never said it was. Was just saying it might not have been a direct jump and "could" have been longer. Sorry I don't live on Twitter where all the "facts" not shown in the movie are.

 

[TaliBane]

Weeks? In a ship capable of hyperspace? Nah... don't buy it.

But it does seem odd that there's this rush to get the plans to the Rebel Base and yet Leia says "hey let's swing by Tatooine and pick up old Ben"... and that's where Vader catches up with her. She should have transmitted the plans immediately to Mon Mothma...

This transmission thing is a bit like Force powers (i.e. running fast) -- only works some of the time, but not when needed.

Well now there's a great idea. Undo the whole of ANH why don't you?

That was a background issue in ANH if you really thought about it, but now that we've literally seen Jyn standing on top of the largest transmission tower in history, wirelessly sending the same data, that question is a little more obvious now. They did try to cover it with the file size thing.

How interstellar communication and data-sending works in the SW universe is a bit odd - but in a ANH, it was very much informed by the 1970's and audience perceptions of the time (where you carried large amounts of data for the most part,) and SW being less sci-fi than fantasy - LOTR with spaceships - it worked.

Never said it was. Was just saying it might not have been a direct jump and "could" have been longer. Sorry I don't live on Twitter where all the "facts" not shown in the movie are.

Live on Twitter? The only tweets I've ever let slip are a few hours after a large Mexican meal.


And you put facts in quotations? We were talking about the connections between the two movies, and you then posited your own theories, which were shot down in comments by the same "creative team" that you said you wanted to hear confirmation from. Now what they say is "facts" in quotations?

 

[GMan022]

I never understood why the plans weren't transmitted to every ship in the fleet. I mean some of the other ones got away didn't they? That way all your eggs aren't in one basket.

 

[TonTon]

Yeah, who needs ANH.

I think what you're finding is the difficultly they had in reconciling where they went with the story, with what happens in ANH, Leia has the plans and her only option is to put them in R2.

 

[TaliBane]

Yeah, who needs ANH.

I think what you're finding is the difficultly they had in reconciling where they went with the story, with what happens in ANH, Leia has the plans and her only option is to put them in R2.

You can buy someone on the run/hiding with a memory stick/thumb drive having to hide it in a robot to deliver it, after the data has been "beamed" to her.

But when you show another person earlier, standing at a fifty story transmitter array, transmitting the data, it starts to raise a few more questions. The problem was certainly within the OT (like can a sandtrooper contact the Death Star across the galaxy somewhere to say they found the pod and droids have the data?,) but the way they presented it in RO, it did make the questions more obvious.

Again, because it's fantasy, not sci-fi, they can get away with a lot in terms of keeping it vague - in a sci-fi universe with interstellar, light speed capable ships, the idea of not being able to simply transmit a "large" amount of data from the Tantive to Yavin base would come across as more obviously questionable.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I buy that once the Stardestroyer was upon the Tantive that they (bad guys) blocked any transmissions... and you likely can't transmit in hyperspace...

So my theory would be that the Tantive bolted to lightspeed right after pulling away from Vader in Rogue One and then Vader had his Stardestroyer follow their course instantly... so when the Tantive pops up over Tatooine, Vader's Stardestroyer is right behind her.

I assume that's what anyone who thinks about it for two seconds concludes.

 

[IndyMOS]

I really liked that whole relay race to get the Death Star plans starting with Jyn and the rebels on the ground, then to Admiral Raddus' ship. And that hallway scene was really exciting once the rebel fleet troopers are trying to get away with it. I just wish that hallway scene was longer.

 

[momaw]

I assume that's what anyone who thinks about it for two seconds concludes.

Pretty sure you can't go "they went that away, engage the hyperdrive and follow them". Flying through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy.

 

[Brett Banner]

*Catches up on last couple days of thread*

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[Wor-Gar]

Pretty sure you can't go "they went that away, engage the hyperdrive and follow them". Flying through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy.

No, I know, you need a destination. But perhaps there was a spy or a drone listening in for their coordinates. Or they targeted the trajectory of the Tantive and realized the only planet in-line was Tatooine.

 

[momaw]

No, I know, you need a destination. But perhaps there was a spy or a drone listening in for their coordinates. Or they targeted the trajectory of the Tantive and realized the only planet in-line was Tatooine.

Be careful, coming up with plausible explanations doesn't go down well in these parts.

That last point would mean they took a guess leaving room for the denials at the beginning of ANH.

 

[WesMordine]

I never understood why the plans weren't transmitted to every ship in the fleet. I mean some of the other ones got away didn't they? That way all your eggs aren't in one basket.

Well, I think they thought it safest to keep them on the most powerful ship in the fleet. The Rebel flagship was going to escape and would have managed to had the Devastator not emerged from Hyperspace mere seconds before its jump, guns blazing.

The fact they thought it was the safest place to keep them is evident by them having Bail Organa's daughter and her consular ship onboard.

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[GMan022]

Pretty sure you can't go "they went that away, engage the hyperdrive and follow them". Flying through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy.

Sure you can, haven't you seen Space Balls?

 

[Rijie78]

I guess this is the problem with the Vader fanw**k they stuffed into the (totally changed) ending with the reshoots; in that, for anyone bothered about how the end of R1 links to ANH, you have to slightly overthink a way to basically say it picks up 10 minutes later.

It seems that Edwards' original film - as opposed to the Edwards-Gilroy film that got released - simply had the plans ending up with Leia, and her ship getting away. But with no Vader involvement at all (because Vader was clearly never part of the story, and had no need to be), it doesn't end up needing such a precise rationale for time elapsed between the end on the one film and the start of the other... it also doesn't make Leia's protests about a "diplomatic mission" quite so ridiclous, because obviously Vader wouldn't have been on hand to see what was happening on Scarif... etc etc etc.

From a certain point of view

I thoroughly enjoyed R1, loved that - in a "Star Wars" way - it tried to be a bit more grown-up & grounded, but I'd still love to see Edward's supposedly "darker" original film more; The "Planets" sequences at the start allowed to play out longer and slower as they were evidently shot, not edited around so much, and to see all the original ending - with the archive and transmission tower as two different places, the escape thru the facility (Canary Wharf set), last charge as a team across the beach, everyone else dying trying to shield Jyn (then carrying the plans) on the way; Krennic personally taking to the beach with the Death Troopers - and of course no pointless Vader; I'd love to see all that as it was made, even if there were still unfinished FX shots (tho it doesn't seem like there were many). Doubt it'll ever make it out publicly tho.

Went off on one there without planning to, hmm. Sorry folks. Move along, move along..

I buy that once the Stardestroyer was upon the Tantive that they (bad guys) blocked any transmissions... and you likely can't transmit in hyperspace...

So my theory would be that the Tantive bolted to lightspeed right after pulling away from Vader in Rogue One and then Vader had his Stardestroyer follow their course instantly... so when the Tantive pops up over Tatooine, Vader's Stardestroyer is right behind her.

I assume that's what anyone who thinks about it for two seconds concludes.

 

[sithlord13]

Perhaps transmitting the plans to e base would have meant exposing the base as such as large file would be easily traced?

In regards to Vader I throughly enjoyed his presence but he didn't need to see the tantive. But surely there are many blockade runners out there and would be know that it was definitely the same one? Probably with emission readings etc but surely there's enough doubt for leia to give the lie a go ?

 

[ZE_501]

Perhaps transmitting the plans to e base would have meant exposing the base as such as large file would be easily traced?

In regards to Vader I throughly enjoyed his presence but he didn't need to see the tantive. But surely there are many blockade runners out there and would be know that it was definitely the same one? Probably with emission readings etc but surely there's enough doubt for leia to give the lie a go ?

There were many Corellian Corvettes like the Blockade Runner...I can live with Vader Hulking out, but laying eyes on the ship....well, it's not as if the Imperials at the battle wouldn't have recorded its presence.

It makes the ANH dialogue problematic; but it *already was*.

If it was a consular ship, they would have had no problem pulling over when the Star Destroyer rolled up on them. Instead they booked and *traded cannon fire*.

My bigger problem to be honest, is Leia looking all serene and smiley in RO. Resolute, determined, rebellious...sure. But she was way too chill given they just fled a major naval engagement with heavy casualities.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The façade of a good movie is finally falling away.

Good.... Gooooooooood.... Everything that has transpired has done so by my design.

 

[ZE_501]

The façade of a good movie is finally falling away.

Good.... Gooooooooood.... Everything that has transpired has done so by my design.

Naaah. It was a great movie. Just not fine art. There's room for both!


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[Wor-Gar]

 

[Rijie78]

Remarkable. You seem to have found a moment of footage from one of those three proposed films which we all know never happened. Impressive..