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Yeah, would have much preferred if they kept things as we know (ie, Raddus's ship beams them to the Tantive, which is over Tatooine). They still could have still had the same Vader scene. Whatever, best not to think too much about some of this stuff or be on a message board that constantly talks about the movies. :lol
 
Yeah, would have much preferred if they kept things as we know (ie, Raddus's ship beams them to the Tantive, which is over Tatooine). They still could have still had the same Vader scene. Whatever, best not to think too much about some of this stuff or be on a message board that constantly talks about the movies. :lol

It's NOT just a MOVIE!!!!:gah:

:rotfl
 
I caved in and pre-ordered the deluxe Jyn Erso. The Eadu gear looks awesome and I've always found that "military" looking stuff scaled down to 1/6th looks the best. Case in point - the Jedha Patrol Stormtrooper with the wine rack is incredible.
 
And Captain Antilles comes across as complete moron now.:lol

"We JUST made a run from you, and you saw the little floppy disc get passed through the door yourself, and we all saw you massacring part of my very same group of troopers, but................. this is a consular ship, on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan!":rotfl


It's funny to see how everyone's like "it so perfectly meshes with the ANH opening!" and I'm like "I smell some retconned dialog in the opening of ANH in the near future.":lecture

It's also funny to see how people take everything these characters say at face-value.


Vader already saw through Antilles' lie even before there was a Rogue One. He wasn't fooled for a moment, even in 1977. He KNEW the plans were on board the Tantive, so Rogue One didn't contradict this, it only affirms it.
And what would you expect Antilles to say? "Yep, it's a fair cop. Princess Leia has the plans, it's her you want." Dude was brave enough to try ********ting Vader. Also, he was buying Leia some time.

It's kind of awesome when Vader and Leia are arguing about what's going on, because she knows that Vader knows she's lying. She's just putting her faith in the senate and hoping that Vader hasn't got any conclusive proof about her involvement.

Also, you would tell whatever lie you can. Why admit you have the plans? They are just just saying whatever they can to not lead Vader to the plans.
 
It's not about taking what they say in ANH at face value but that instead of what they're saying still having some plausible deniability, now it's just flat out nonsense/crappy lies with no legs to stand on. Kinda alters the entire subtext of that scene.
 
Up until the Tantive actually being present in the battle it was all going pretty good. I find it hard to believe that Baal had in mind having Leia actually IN the space battle. I understand that the decision to go help them was very rapidly made but at the same time, 3PO and R2 are still standing bungling around the base while most of the fleet is scrambling.

Having Vader actually see the Tantive leave was a bit much, loved the battle up until that point and actually liked seeing Leia as well but that tie is too close. I mean at that point Vader chases her until they are over a certain planet that has, oh I don't know, zero significance to Vader yet he never even notices? I hate that he is from Tatooine, that he built 3PO, that he was immaculately created by the Living Force, etc. Now he ends up over it, knowing what he is chasing, and never bothers to go down there himself?

Like Ton Ton and others said... putting WAY to much weight in these stories... they are really fun to watch and think about up to a point.
 
A few less coincidences since the RO retcons though.

And the TFA coincidences/holes are a bit more obvious than the ANH ones ever were.



It makes me sad that you know this.:lol

It's also sad to copy a movie in the same series, not learn from any mistakes that were previously made but to make more, disregard already establish physics and world building. Literally every scene is a plot hole or just doesn't make sense in some way. I don't know what's worse, the movie, or the people who actually think it's good and an acceptable film.
 
With all due respect, if these movies are so awful and silly and badly made, what brings you here? The poisoned air is getting too thick on this thread...

Can we get back to Jyn Erso, please.

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It's also funny to see how people take everything these characters say at face-value.


Vader already saw through Antilles' lie even before there was a Rogue One. He wasn't fooled for a moment, even in 1977. He KNEW the plans were on board the Tantive, so Rogue One didn't contradict this, it only affirms it.
And what would you expect Antilles to say? "Yep, it's a fair cop. Princess Leia has the plans, it's her you want." Dude was brave enough to try ********ting Vader. Also, he was buying Leia some time.

It's kind of awesome when Vader and Leia are arguing about what's going on, because she knows that Vader knows she's lying. She's just putting her faith in the senate and hoping that Vader hasn't got any conclusive proof about her involvement.

Also, you would tell whatever lie you can. Why admit you have the plans? They are just just saying whatever they can to not lead Vader to the plans.

So you and your crew rob a bank, and the cops arrive in the middle of it, and the head cop kills quite a number of your crew, but you manage to leap in a car and drive away as the head cop watches. Then, about five minutes later, that same head cop pulls you and your remaining crew over - in the same car he just watched you get away in - and you say....

"I'm just a cab driver, and I'm taking these people to the grocery store..."

:rotfl

And with the Leia scene - so Vader knows she's lying, she knows that Vader knows that she's lying, so... what's the subtext/point of the scene then? Vader knows, Leia knows - and worst of all WE know.

And "conclusive proof about her involvement"? He just physically watched the disc get handed through a doorway into her ship, and then her ship speed away. And this scene is taking place what - ten minutes later?:rotfl


The main issue, as TonTon points out, is that all of this is in ANH is a bit of a waste of valuable screen time now - and it's a bit silly to see both Antilles and Leia saying it. To some extent, even the opening Tantive corridor battle is a waste of screen time now. I mean we've just seen the brutality of Vader himself (with lightsaber no less) storm a Rebel ship, killing Rebel fleet troopers in droves, trying to get the DS plans... now we get to watch some soldiers storm a Rebel ship, killing Rebel fleet troopers in droves, trying to get the DS plans... just a few minutes later? (and yup, even this second attempt is also a failure - nice going, Vader you doofus.)



And man - do those DS plans get a major workout now when you watch RO and ANH together... it becomes like a macguffin relay race.:lol
 
The main issue, as TonTon points out, is that all of this is in ANH is a bit of a waste of valuable screen time now - and it's a bit silly to see both Antilles and Leia saying it. To some extent, even the opening Tantive corridor battle is a waste of screen time now. I mean we've just seen the brutality of Vader himself (with lightsaber no less) storm a Rebel ship, killing Rebel fleet troopers in droves, trying to get the DS plans... now we get to watch some soldiers storm a Rebel ship, killing Rebel fleet troopers in droves, trying to get the DS plans... just a few minutes later? (and yup, even this second attempt is also a failure - nice going, Vader you doofus.)



And man - do those DS plans get a major workout now when you watch RO and ANH together... it becomes like a macguffin relay race.:lol

No way around it. Like the friendly looking RO stormtroopers you are going to have to pretend parts of RO didn't happen to fully savor ANH. Either that or you will have to assume Mon Mothma is suffering from dementia by the time ROTJ rolls around:)
 
I gave up on Star Wars making sense when Ben Kenobi got retconned in ESB and clearly lied to Luke.

That little terrible seed gave Lucas the clearance to retcon everything we'd ever known about Star Wars in the PT.
 
I gave up on Star Wars making sense when Ben Kenobi got retconned in ESB and clearly lied to Luke.

Good time to get out. Worst movie of the franchise.

With all due respect, if these movies are so awful and silly and badly made, what brings you here? The poisoned air is getting too thick on this thread...

Can we get back to Jyn Erso, please.

:lol
 
It's funny to see everyone being so overly critical of many of the SW films; so, why are we regulars in the Star Wars section to begin with again? :lol
 
Why does everyone assume RO ends 5 mins before ANH starts? Blockade Runners are a common ship. Tantive IV wasn't written on the side of it. It's highly likely it had a fake transponder. I doubt it would have made a direct run from the battle, the Death Star and Vader to the last Jedi known to be alive. Vader could have been hunting that thing for weeks by the time he caught up with it over Tatooine. At this point it's more than reasonable to play dumb with Vader.
 
Why does everyone assume RO ends 5 mins before ANH starts? Blockade Runners are a common ship. Tantive IV wasn't written on the side of it. It's highly likely it had a fake transponder. I doubt it would have made a direct run from the battle, the Death Star and Vader to the last Jedi known to be alive. Vader could have been hunting that thing for weeks by the time he caught up with it over Tatooine. At this point it's more than reasonable to play dumb with Vader.

Fan retconning?:horror:lol



It's not an assumption - it's straight from the "Holocron Continuity Keeper" at Lucasfilm (aka the geek flunky who works under the suits in the Team Disney building) who posted this less than a month ago:


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Fan retconning?:horror:lol



It's not an assumption - it's straight from the "Holocron Continuity Keeper" at Lucasfilm (aka the geek flunky who works under the suits in the Team Disney building) who posted this less than a month ago:


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Given you're thorough job discrediting this guy, got a source from the creative team to back that up? Regardless of the timing, the argument still stands.
 
Looks like a lot of mass debating on this subject.

Among which this turned up:

...an interview with John Knoll, the VFX supervisor at ILM who came up with the initial story concept for Rogue One.

He mentioned that the ending of Rogue One is a direct handoff that takes place a few minutes before Ep IV a New Hope. Not sure this is the definitive end-all answer, but it's the most credible source I've seen that explains the timeline.

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/que...-time-passes-between-rogue-one-and-episode-iv

But where is that interview?
 
Much more credible, but minutes seems a little quick. Not even the Falcon is that quick.
 
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