1/6 Hot Toys Rogue One: JYN ERSO

[Mad Old Lu]

I guess this is the problem with the Vader fanw**k they stuffed into the (totally changed) ending with the reshoots; in that, for anyone bothered about how the end of R1 links to ANH, you have to slightly overthink a way to basically say it picks up 10 minutes later.

It seems that Edwards' original film - as opposed to the Edwards-Gilroy film that got released - simply had the plans ending up with Leia, and her ship getting away. But with no Vader involvement at all (because Vader was clearly never part of the story, and had no need to be), it doesn't end up needing such a precise rationale for time elapsed between the end on the one film and the start of the other... it also doesn't make Leia's protests about a "diplomatic mission" quite so ridiclous, because obviously Vader wouldn't have been on hand to see what was happening on Scarif... etc etc etc.

From a certain point of view

I thoroughly enjoyed R1, loved that - in a "Star Wars" way - it tried to be a bit more grown-up & grounded, but I'd still love to see Edward's supposedly "darker" original film more; The "Planets" sequences at the start allowed to play out longer and slower as they were evidently shot, not edited around so much, and to see all the original ending - with the archive and transmission tower as two different places, the escape thru the facility (Canary Wharf set), last charge as a team across the beach, everyone else dying trying to shield Jyn (then carrying the plans) on the way; Krennic personally taking to the beach with the Death Troopers - and of course no pointless Vader; I'd love to see all that as it was made, even if there were still unfinished FX shots (tho it doesn't seem like there were many). Doubt it'll ever make it out publicly tho.

Went off on one there without planning to, hmm. Sorry folks. Move along, move along..

I agree. I kinda think there's a slightly better film among all those alternate takes, particularly the escape through Canary Wharf and race across the beach. I think that added sense of urgency of running across a beach full of walkers and troopers to get to the radar would have added a little bit more of a "fun" excitement and thrill that I think was missing.

 

[TaliBane]

I agree. I kinda think there's a slightly better film among all those alternate takes, particularly the escape through Canary Wharf and race across the beach. I think that added sense of urgency of running across a beach full of walkers and troopers to get to the radar would have added a little bit more of a "fun" excitement and thrill that I think was missing.

I thought it was funny they called out a fleet of ATAT's (or whatever those ATAT's are called) on maybe a dozen or two Rebels who are on foot.

And I guess the Empire sent the ATAT armor back to R&D between RO and ESB because in RO it certainly doesn't seem to be "too strong for blasters" - even the Rocket Racoon guy blew up one with his cannon thing.

 

[TonTon]

They're AT-UTs (all terrain unarmored transports).

 

[mrdbios]

And I guess the Empire sent the ATAT armor back to R&D between RO and ESB because in RO it certainly doesn't seem to be "too strong for blasters" - even the Rocket Racoon guy blew up one with his cannon thing.

Those are All Terrain Armored Cargo Transports (AT-ACT), so I figured they were the Imperial version of a UPS truck. If they're like the UPS truck that brings me figures, it's not too armored.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Wonder why you would build a data storage base on a hot, humid tropical planet near water?

Seems a place like Hoth would be more ideal to keep things cool.

 

[henshin]

My girlfriend caught that too.

I find discussing the movie more engaging than ogling pics of Felicity Jones.

Disagreed.

 

[Choryujin]

The façade of a good movie is finally falling away.

Good.... Gooooooooood.... Everything that has transpired has done so by my design.

Sad thing is, It is fading away for me and thus my excitement for the figure. If Hot Toys had already released the figures, then they would have my money on all of them. As is now though, I'm seriously contemplating cancelling all my POs on the figures and that urge gets stronger as RO fades in the rear view mirror. HT needs to get these guys out faster to capitalize before fans get overwhelmed with the next big thing.

 

[WesMordine]

What a short attention span, then!

But they're not cheap, so if they're not worth the money to you, you do right to cancel.

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[TonTon]

Yeah, maybe you should be happy they don't release them immediately if that's how quick you're onto something else.

 

[MikeyTheKid]

Sad thing is, It is fading away for me and thus my excitement for the figure. If Hot Toys had already released the figures, then they would have my money on all of them. As is now though, I'm seriously contemplating cancelling all my POs on the figures and that urge gets stronger as RO fades in the rear view mirror. HT needs to get these guys out faster to capitalize before fans get overwhelmed with the next big thing.

Don't you plan on keeping these figures for awhile?

 

[TaliBane]

What a short attention span, then!

But they're not cheap, so if they're not worth the money to you, you do right to cancel.

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Yeah, maybe you should be happy they don't release them immediately if that's how quick you're onto something else.

Guys, you didn't get the memo... they're releasing a major, $200m+ SW movie EVERY TWELVE MONTHS for something close to an entire DECADE.

I think short attention span is kinda built into this new paradigm.

I know it takes a little getting used to (for both you and also for companies like HT,) but that old school thing of three years between SW movies is all done, so tbh, the guy has a point.

RO will earn a bit over half of what TFA did, so the Disney big guns will wait another few weeks, then move on to Ep VIII lead-up. Short attention span goes all the way to the top these days.

 

[SilverStar17]

I buy that once the Stardestroyer was upon the Tantive that they (bad guys) blocked any transmissions... and you likely can't transmit in hyperspace...

So my theory would be that the Tantive bolted to lightspeed right after pulling away from Vader in Rogue One and then Vader had his Stardestroyer follow their course instantly... so when the Tantive pops up over Tatooine, Vader's Stardestroyer is right behind her.

I assume that's what anyone who thinks about it for two seconds concludes.

This is my presumption as well.

 

[Username]

So my theory would be that the Tantive bolted to lightspeed right after pulling away from Vader in Rogue One and then Vader had his Stardestroyer follow their course instantly... so when the Tantive pops up over Tatooine, Vader's Stardestroyer is right behind her.

Pretty sure you can't go "they went that away, engage the hyperdrive and follow them". Flying through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy.

No, I know, you need a destination. But perhaps there was a spy or a drone listening in for their coordinates. Or they targeted the trajectory of the Tantive and realized the only planet in-line was Tatooine.

In TESB we saw that Star Destroyers(And probably most capital ships) have the ability to track a precise trajectory, and contrary to what is said above by momaw, They would have a very precise calculation to go on(And although space is really big, there would ONLY be one star system they were pointed at when they went to lightspeed), so the only lead-time between the Tantive IV leaving Scarif and the ISD catching them up would be the length of time it took Vader to storm back through the Rebel cruiser and get back to his ship. Let's say it took five minutes for him to be back on board. The Tantive probably only had minutes before they had an ISD on their ass. And if they came out of lightspeed five minutes from Tatooine, then that's the reason they only really got just within sight of it before they got captured.
As for Leia stalling and proclaiming her innocence in ANH, she would have had no idea Vader saw her ship leave the cruiser.
It's all a retcon, but it still works in my mind.

 

[TaliBane]

In TESB we saw that Star Destroyers(And probably most capital ships) have the ability to track a precise trajectory, and contrary to what is said above by momaw, They would have a very precise calculation to go on(And although space is really big, there would ONLY be one star system they were pointed at when they went to lightspeed), so the only lead-time between the Tantive IV leaving Scarif and the ISD catching them up would be the length of time it took Vader to storm back through the Rebel cruiser and get back to his ship. Let's say it took five minutes for him to be back on board. The Tantive probably only had minutes before they had an ISD on their ass. And if they came out of lightspeed five minutes from Tatooine, then that's the reason they only really got just within sight of it before they got captured.
As for Leia stalling and proclaiming her innocence in ANH, she would have had no idea Vader saw her ship leave the cruiser.
It's all a retcon, but it still works in my mind.

It's funny when you say it that way. Just five minutes before, Vader himself (whom Leia clearly knows about) stormed the Rebel ship and comes within a few feet of actually entering the Tantive, Rebel troops cut to pieces and hurled via the force, the disc barely passed through a closing door - and Antilles just saunters in, hands the disc to a calmly standing Leia.


He doesn't say a word about the MASSIVE carnage that's just happened maybe a hundred feet from where they're standing, involving VADER of all people, but asks calmly "what is it they've sent us?" as if he's just checked his e-mail.



And if Vader himself was within a few feet of the Blockade Runner as it rushed off, and Leia's soldiers saw this, then how is that Leia wouldn't know that Vader saw her ship leave? It all happened at the other end of her fairly small spacecraft, just minutes earlier, and everyone saw him right there.



And Antilles' line "prepare the escape pods" (just before seeing Leia) is clearly a 100% confirmation that the time elapsed between RO and ANH is very small. As if we're meant to hear that, then see that 3PO and R2 use those escape pods shortly thereafter.

 

[Asta]

You're analysing these films as though they're high art, and not the pulp cliffhanger serials Lucas intended to imitate.

 

[TaliBane]

You're analysing these films as though they're high art, and not the pulp cliffhanger serials Lucas intended to imitate.

When high retcon and high art collide, sparks fly.

 

[Asta]

When high retcon and high art collide, sparks fly.

I'd love it if a company like Go Hero made a figure of The Lightning.

And maybe a few Stormtroopers as well...

(He'd go well with my Commando Cody Rocket Man proto Boba Fett)

 

[momaw]

In TESB we saw that Star Destroyers(And probably most capital ships) have the ability to track a precise trajectory, and contrary to what is said above by momaw, They would have a very precise calculation to go on(And although space is really big, there would ONLY be one star system they were pointed at when they went to lightspeed), so the only lead-time between the Tantive IV leaving Scarif and the ISD catching them up would be the length of time it took Vader to storm back through the Rebel cruiser and get back to his ship. Let's say it took five minutes for him to be back on board. The Tantive probably only had minutes before they had an ISD on their ass. And if they came out of lightspeed five minutes from Tatooine, then that's the reason they only really got just within sight of it before they got captured.
As for Leia stalling and proclaiming her innocence in ANH, she would have had no idea Vader saw her ship leave the cruiser.
It's all a retcon, but it still works in my mind.

That isn't borne out with on screen evidence. If it were possible to track ships as easily as that then there would have been no need for a tracking device on the Millennium Falcon to track it's movements from the Death Star to Yavin 4, nor would the Millennium Falcon have escaped Vader with Luke aboard at the end of ESB simply by going to hyperspace. Further we know that hyperspace jumps aren't a straight line with adjustments to avoid stars and other hazards so the direction they are facing is meaningless.

Using your own example from ESB, it was clear that using the point of the jump would result in multiple possible destinations. A ship could stop anywhere and change course so just having possible systems in that direction would not be enough. If it were so simple to track a ship based on it's apparent direction when entering hyperspace, I doubt Leia would have been stupid enough to take a direct route.

As much as we want Star Wars technology to conform to what we think it should do based on current technology and future possibilities it doesn't. They can't scan ships or planets from the bridge, they rely on manual targeting, wireless data coms is almost non existent, heck they need eyeballs to find lost droids or missing personel in the snow.

 

[Username]

Further we know that hyperspace jumps aren't a straight line with adjustments to avoid stars and other hazards so the direction they are facing is meaningless.

I wasn't have a dig at you with my previous post. I only quoted you because i was offering a point that was about your post.
No arguing from me here. Just friendly discussion.
As for the straight line issue, you are correct about having to "avoid obstacles". But the original course would still be pinpoint accurate to the star they are heading to, only veering off course by fractions of a radian in time to avoid gravity wells in their course, then back onto the original heading.
Also, the tracking device on the Falcon was likely in case they went in one direction, came out of hyperspace and then headed off somewhere else.
Just a thought of course.
The beauty of Star Wars is in the parts they NEVER specify, that allows us to make it up ourselves. Of course there are always those that enjoy making up explanations, and those who need concrete proof for everything, and hate a movie that doesn't explain all the facts. It's the way of the world.

 

[momaw]

I wasn't have a dig at you with my previous post. I only quoted you because i was offering a point that was about your post.
No arguing from me here. Just friendly discussion.
As for the straight line issue, you are correct about having to "avoid obstacles". But the original course would still be pinpoint accurate to the star they are heading to, only veering off course by fractions of a radian in time to avoid gravity wells in their course, then back onto the original heading.
Also, the tracking device on the Falcon was likely in case they went in one direction, came out of hyperspace and then headed off somewhere else.
Just a thought of course.
The beauty of Star Wars is in the parts they NEVER specify, that allows us to make it up ourselves. Of course there are always those that enjoy making up explanations, and those who need concrete proof for everything, and hate a movie that doesn't explain all the facts. It's the way of the world.

Def friendly discussion here. And I agree that is a fun part of Star Wars.

I tend to think that if Leia was cautious enough to take a circuitous route from the DS to Yavin 4 she would have done so to Tatooine if tracking through hyperspace was realitively easy.