1/6 Hot Toys Rogue One: JYN ERSO

[Darth KirBayBey]

I've heard people got to cancel multiple times from SSC without any penalties but it seems they ordered a lot thru them.

That's good to know. I'll give them a call tomorrow. Thanks

 

[somethingbrite]

This is a lovely looking figure in every pic I have seen so far. It's a keeper for sure.

 

[Darth KirBayBey]

This is a lovely looking figure in every pic I have seen so far. It's a keeper for sure.

Yeah I've been trying to limit my collection to just Star Wars but I like so many Marvel figures and I currently have two of them(Deadpool and War Machine Mark 1). Still trying to decide on wether to cancel my preorder for the Mark 6 Iron Man and change it to Jyn. Having limited funds and a huge wish list sucks.

 

[TaliBane]

I rather have them do Cassian first, depending on his outfit you can choose which Jyn suits best?

How many TFA figs did HT announce after the movie came out? I'm beginning to think that RO and HT may be done - no Cassian, no Tarkin, no Krennic.

The thing that people seem to forget is that we live in a totally different SW era now - movies that used to be three years apart are now 12 months apart. Just like audiences, my guess is that HT moves on to the next thing pretty fast. At the box office globally RO was a big hit but only made about half what TFA did, so you have to think that would be a factor for HT pondering new RO figures going forward too.

 

[TonTon]

Rey Resistance, Finn trooper, Luke, Han, Chewie, R2, 3PO. One can imagine that part of the delay with R2 and 3PO is that they'll basically be the same in the new movie so they're really trying to get them out in time for that.

I think since we just saw another Suicide Squad figure announcement and RO was a much more successful movie, we'll still get some more. TFA has the next movie that they have to sell these characters from.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Suicide Squad. Jfc that was a terrible movie. Everytime I see a figure from that internally I scream "where in **** is tarkin"! Where is krennic?! Where is rotj luke?! Where is stormtrooper han?!!!!!!! You get the picture.

 

[TonTon]

Yeah I never saw it cause it was supposed to be so bad. But it still made nearly $750 million worldwide so who knows how that plays into Hot Toys planning. Maybe the two Jokers and two Harley figures are just Hot Toys trying to recoup their investment by doing a rehash.

RO made more obviously and isn't done yet and was a critical and fan success. Sad to think a dud can still make what SS did. At the very least we'll get Jyn in alternate disguise since HT hates to not re-use a sculpt.

 

[Futurion]

Suicife Squad was good and there is more figures to be announced - bats, silver suit Joker, those two goons maybe. Shame that RO being much better movie will nit get more iconic figures. I really don't understand HT hate for villains. I wish Krennic so badly. Also guys collecting rogue group .. withou Cassian it's so incomplete it would bother me very much,


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[Travis Baumann]

I think HT is under pressure from LFL and do not make all of the decisions on their own. At every collectible panel at SDCC, whether it be Hasbro or the collective "High End" panel that includes SSC (but never HT mind you), there is always an LFL rep who manages the panel and also dictates what will be discussed (last year she prefaced that everyone present would be involved with some form of Rogue One stuff but nothing would be revealed and we might as well not waste Q&A time by asking).

That being said, I am sure that HT can influence it by putting more resources into the proto-types of the things they (Howard) want to do. So they could do a really killer proto for Death Star Gunner and Commander and do a half ass one for Krennic knowing that will cause a delay on the one they are less excited about. That is just a made up example on my part but the fact that we saw both Baze and Donnie's characters first does show their interest in catering to the Asian market and to stars of their own country before old white guys in military uniforms.

The glut of stuff that came out for ANH as lead up to TFA was probably orchestrated quite a while before we actually heard much because they have not been able to attain that pace afterwards (which may be a good thing though as IMO the likenesses suffered on most of the main heroes compared to what HT are capable of).

I also feel that the P.O.'s to release are so far apart because they wait until the P.O.'s have been up for a while to gauge interest in a figure and then start production. HT is less guilty of this than smaller manufacturers but with the amount of HT Star Wars product up for $50 discounts at Spook this year leads me to believe they went all out on those and they may scale back production on some future figures.

I have not lost interest in the Rogue One figures however over a year from now, I am not sure how keen I will be to giving them shelf space because all the latest and greatest characters from The Last Jedi might supersede my interest (and my memory) of the characters I now have on pre-order. They would do themselves a very big favor by having these figures coming out in September with a three month lead up to the new film and further reveals of what lies ahead.

 

[TonTon]

Don't forget that Hot Toys isn't the one to cast those two guys. Lucasfilm is clearly the ones trying to broaden its appeal to that market, and it hasn't worked as far as I can tell. Pretty sure TFA did far better abroad then RO.

On the last point, I'm not sure lucasfilm gives them that much lead time. Even the 3 3/4 figures they sometimes can't even get characters out before the movie.

 

[Hoody999]

I think the star wars interest in Asia will now need to be a longer term proposition. The major success in the US and Europe is based mainly on nostalgia and that being passed on to next generations. China simply doesn't have that for Star Wars. Marvel has the advantage that comics have been around for ages and create their nostalgia and knowledge for the new movies.
Sure it isn't the only factor but nostalgia and knowledge/love for a franchise takes time.

 

[TaliBane]

Rey Resistance, Finn trooper, Luke, Han, Chewie, R2, 3PO. One can imagine that part of the delay with R2 and 3PO is that they'll basically be the same in the new movie so they're really trying to get them out in time for that.

I think since we just saw another Suicide Squad figure announcement and RO was a much more successful movie, we'll still get some more. TFA has the next movie that they have to sell these characters from.

A major problem for HT with Rogue One is HOW it made its box office - it is a rare major film these days that makes more than half its BO in the U.S. (it's usually heavily weighted on the overseas these days) - RO was such a film.

And then conversely, RO was even more weak than TFA in China. And TFA was actually considered a bit underwhelming there. In China, RO opened to 1/3 what TFA did, despite Yen and Wen, which TFA didn't have. That's maybe where HT is less interested in RO figures - China really did not respond to RO much, and that has to worry Disney.

 

[momaw]

In fairness all movies are down in China. There has been a serious drop off in that market.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...ws-37-percent-2016-official-data-shows-960217

 

[WesMordine]

Travis makes fair points.

Its difficult to imagine that, in December, people will still be thirsty for Krennic when Episode VIII Rey, Kylo, LUKE, Poe and some new characters, are revealed.

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[JCFETT]

You can buy someone on the run/hiding with a memory stick/thumb drive having to hide it in a robot to deliver it, after the data has been "beamed" to her.

But when you show another person earlier, standing at a fifty story transmitter array, transmitting the data, it starts to raise a few more questions. The problem was certainly within the OT (like can a sandtrooper contact the Death Star across the galaxy somewhere to say they found the pod and droids have the data?,) but the way they presented it in RO, it did make the questions more obvious.

Again, because it's fantasy, not sci-fi, they can get away with a lot in terms of keeping it vague - in a sci-fi universe with interstellar, light speed capable ships, the idea of not being able to simply transmit a "large" amount of data from the Tantive to Yavin base would come across as more obviously questionable.

dude, I don't think you get it bro. There's no wifi across space, the Imperials make sure of it, nobody just gets free wifi everywhere, think about it, at-at, at&t, it's all part of the plan. That satellite station on Scarif had Wifi, duh it manages Imperial data. The Tantive was in the hot spot to receive it, they simply hax0rd into it. Transmitting communications are one thing across space, that shiz unlimited nights and weekends, but big data files you can't send those without wifi bro, do u even have a data plan? Get your sci fi in line with your wifi. Do I have to explain everything all the time to you guys? You guys are so dial-up.

 

[TaliBane]

dude, I don't think you get it bro. There's no wifi across space, the Imperials make sure of it, nobody just gets free wifi everywhere, think about it, at-at, at&t, it's all part of the plan. That satellite station on Scarif had Wifi, duh it manages Imperial data. The Tantive was in the hot spot to receive it, they simply hax0rd into it. Transmitting communications are one thing across space, that shiz unlimited nights and weekends, but big data files you can't send those without wifi bro, do u even have a data plan? Get your sci fi in line with your wifi. Do I have to explain everything all the time to you guys? You guys are so dial-up.

But of course Star Wars isn't sci-fi.

And the way interplanetary/interstellar communications work in SW OT is a mystery - it's very rarely shown (Probe Droid transmission is a rare example,) yet it's clear they routinely do it. So this "can't send big files" is a retcon, not found in the OT, and everything you're saying is based on that retcon. But I like that you're thinking more deeply into this, so let's go further...


The need for that "massive file size" itself is an issue all on its own, separate from the Leia plausibility issues discussed earlier. Here's the problem: Erso's not sending DS plans to the rebels so they can know how to build their own DS. He's simply sending info to illustrate where the DS can be attacked - its vulnerable point, which he designed.

If I've prepared a file to show you a vulnerability I designed into in a new Nimitz aircraft carrier, wouldn't I just send you a layout of that area and its defenses to you? Why would I send a mega-quadrillion GB's of complete structural, systems, electrical and plumbing plans?

Previously in ANH, rebel spies had managed to swipe a complete set of DS plans from the Empire, meaning that Dodonna and others had to do an "analysis of the plans" on Massassi to determine how to attack it (as he states in the ANH briefing.) But now, from RO, we have retconned a scientist who now INTENTIONALLY prepares a file to INSTRUCT THEM about that SPECIALLY DESIGNED vulnerability (Stardust.)

So what the rebellion receives is no longer a mega-quadrillion GB's of raw PLANS data, hot from a hostile source as it was in ANH originally. Erso actually prepares this special file specifically for the rebellion to demonstrate his designed weakness, and had planned to send this file all along - FOR YEARS. And he'd been unmonitored enough by his Empire bosses for so long that he was able to engineer that weakness, and then prepare/upload the "Stardust" file to demonstrate to the Rebellion how to exploit it.

Yet in RO... we're STILL talking about that mega-quadrillion GB file of the entire, raw DS plans? Why?

I mean honestly... the way the RO retcon works, Erso could have done a one-page printout and circled the trench, the exhaust port, and the guns with a red marker and scribbled "defenses designed for large ships, so use small ships and shoot here with proton torpedo" right?

 

[Wor-Gar]

But of course Star Wars isn't sci-fi.

And the way interplanetary/interstellar communications work in SW OT is a mystery - it's very rarely shown (Probe Droid transmission is a rare example,) yet it's clear they routinely do it. So this "can't send big files" is a retcon, not found in the OT, and everything you're saying is based on that retcon. But I like that you're thinking more deeply into this, so let's go further...


The need for that "massive file size" itself is an issue all on its own, separate from the Leia plausibility issues discussed earlier. Here's the problem: Erso's not sending DS plans to the rebels so they can know how to build their own DS. He's simply sending info to illustrate where the DS can be attacked - its vulnerable point, which he designed.

If I've prepared a file to show you a vulnerability I designed into in a new Nimitz aircraft carrier, wouldn't I just send you a layout of that area and its defenses to you? Why would I send a mega-quadrillion GB's of complete structural, systems, electrical and plumbing plans?

Previously in ANH, rebel spies had managed to swipe a complete set of DS plans from the Empire, meaning that Dodonna and others had to do an "analysis of the plans" on Massassi to determine how to attack it (as he states in the ANH briefing.) But now, from RO, we have retconned a scientist who now INTENTIONALLY prepares a file to INSTRUCT THEM about that SPECIALLY DESIGNED vulnerability (Stardust.)

So what the rebellion receives is no longer a mega-quadrillion GB's of raw PLANS data, hot from a hostile source as it was in ANH originally. Erso actually prepares this special file specifically for the rebellion to demonstrate his designed weakness, and had planned to send this file all along - FOR YEARS. And he'd been unmonitored enough by his Empire bosses for so long that he was able to engineer that weakness, and then prepare/upload the "Stardust" file to demonstrate to the Rebellion how to exploit it.

Yet in RO... we're STILL talking about that mega-quadrillion GB file of the entire, raw DS plans? Why?

I mean honestly... the way the RO retcon works, Erso could have done a one-page printout and circled the trench, the exhaust port, and the guns with a red marker and scribbled "defenses designed for large ships, so use small ships and shoot here with proton torpedo" right?

Who's to say the Stardust plans are a one-page synopsis? Maybe Galen had to disguise it by burying it deep within a complex file. "Stardust" might have been an actual project that has masses of files so it won't be discovered.

She needs to transmit the entire blueprints to be analyzed... and they might find a weakness and destroy it.




Whatever that crazy file is, it always bugs me that they put the laser dish over the equator.

 

[IarnaOrgana]

I mean honestly... the way the RO retcon works, Erso could have done a one-page printout and circled the trench, the exhaust port, and the guns with a red marker and scribbled "defenses designed for large ships, so use small ships and shoot here with proton torpedo" right?

I assume Galen was under near-constant surveillance when working on the 'Stardust' plans. I also assume that the 'Stardust' file was a codename for the entire secret Death Star project (planets get zapped, turn into stardust, makes sense). Not sure he could have made a copy (with Empire computers) highlighting the huge defect without the Empire noticing

 

[WesMordine]

Who's to say the Stardust plans are a one-page synopsis? Maybe Galen had to disguise it by burying it deep within a complex file. "Stardust" might have been an actual project that has masses of files so it won't be discovered.

She needs to transmit the entire blueprints to be analyzed... and they might find a weakness and destroy it.




Whatever that crazy file is, it always bugs me that they put the laser dish over the equator.

Yes. This.

The small file with red marker note about exhaust port would probably get people slightly suspicious.

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[TaliBane]

Who's to say the Stardust plans are a one-page synopsis? Maybe Galen had to disguise it by burying it deep within a complex file. "Stardust" might have been an actual project that has masses of files so it won't be discovered.

She needs to transmit the entire blueprints to be analyzed... and they might find a weakness and destroy it.




Whatever that crazy file is, it always bugs me that they put the laser dish over the equator.

"Maybe" this, "maybe" that - fans can conjecture anything. But the fact is, the actual data Galen needs to send to the Rebellion is quite SIMPLE (as I said - a single sheet of paper would have done it) - hence there was no need for it to be a massive file. You can say other files covered it, making the whole transmission larger, but that's not in the movie.

In my example, if Galen was sending data so the Rebellion could build its own DS (obviously then requiring the entire DS plans), then the data he needs to send is indisputably massive - no matter what. But that's not the case. He's simply telling them about an exhaust port.

By making Galen a Rebel on the inside who engineered the flaw and prepares a file to show the Rebellion that flaw (and had planned to do this for years,) they have fundamentally changed what the rebellion needs to receive - and I notice it the more times I see RO (and then watch ANH.)

I assume Galen was under near-constant surveillance when working on the 'Stardust' plans. I also assume that the 'Stardust' file was a codename for the entire secret Death Star project (planets get zapped, turn into stardust, makes sense). Not sure he could have made a copy (with Empire computers) highlighting the huge defect without the Empire noticing

He DESIGNED and then actually had BUILT a fatal flaw in the Death Star, then prepared a file and stored it in the Empire's data storage specifically designed to be sent to the Rebel Alliance, then made a transmission explaining everything he did to be smuggled out by a defecting pilot. Those facts and "near-constant surveillance" don't exactly go hand-in-hand - you're sounding like Krennic's agent.

Stardust - which if you're right is as creepy an association as Galen giving his daughter stormtrooper dolls to play with - was a nickname he had for his daughter before his involvement with the Death Star, not the Empire's codename for the DS. But if it was, then you can double the reading on the creepy-Galen meter. I mean that the "stardust" you're referring to is partly millions of dead people, right... and he nicknames his daughter that, or vice-versa? Yikes.