Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - VGM18 - Batman: Arkham City: Batman Collectible Figure (Specs + Pi
I quoted his first post word for word. He asked a question. Two questions. He didn't insinuate anything until others insinuated he was dumb or ignorant because he was a noob or whatever.
As for hot toys having a bad record..sure. But what the cause of that record is, is in fact speculation not fact. Unless I missed where a scientific study of the rubber used under lab conditions had been completed and published.
The causes could in fact be environmental , on a brand new unopened just got it today figure. As they have to travel from the factory, and before and after travel sit in warehouses. A humid or hot shipping container or a very cold or hot plane cargo hold, or non climate controlled tractor trailer could be responsible. As could improper storage at the retailer or thru eBay dealers. The fact that it's not anywhere near universal means it's not confirmed as hot toys. If it where cheap material used every figure would have the same problem.
So hot toys may have a bad reputation, but reputation is often wrong and biased.
As for husky and bullied as you stated...you said it not me. The first post, as I copy/pasted in my last posting (in the quotes) didn't insinuate anything about anybody, it asked a couple of questions about topics raised. It was not until it was insinuated that husky was deficient in some way, maybe because he was new, that he/she lashed out. Fairly normal and predictable behavior. Again I ask, what from that first post was bad? If your friend or family member signed up for this forum and posted that question would you do anything but either politely answer the question or ignore it if u where "bored".
No, I am still waiting for somebody to answer my question or prove my point wrong.
As stated in my prior posts, I assume many members had there figures posed wrong. The stress of the rubber on the pointed joints, like knees and elbows, combined with the unproper conditions the figures were shipped in and displayed in, caused the rubber to crack.
I feel sad for many members who are using Hot Toys as a scapegoat for there mistakes...
Thank you. As you said, I tried searching the forum. I tried other blogs and sites and although I stumbled across a few pictures, I did not find the information I was looking for. I did ask questions, but then was ridiculed for post count and join date. I apologize if I sounded rude.
Hey guys I hate to take this thread off focus again but I felt compelled to address
Huskie and Motuxmen on the matters of legitimacy in rubber concerns, and more importantly the N word... no not that one Newb.
Something all new members should Know
It seems to me that the true root of both of your frustration is the noob status deligated to new members with a low post count (nobody likes being called the N word). This bothered me a lot to when I first joined, but you both have to understand that even though you may be just as smart as anyone here, your still very ignorant to the way this forum operates. Reputation is very important to be taken seriously here. As I see it our members are made up of producers and consumers. Many of the more distinguished "vets" such as (Elvis1976 or Robbiethepainter, etc) are clear producers. They do a lot of great custom work and bring about innovative ideas to improve our collectibles. Their are many more than just the two I mentioned, and you don't necessarily have to do great custom work to produce here as their are countless things that can be brought to the table be it photography, reviews, display ideas etc. So if a new member brings a lot to the table then they will likely be taken more seriously despite low post count (this is rare).
Also SSC is one of the larger if not largest forums for statue/high end figure collectors, so their is plethora of varying demographics being represented here. With that being the case you just have to except that your going to have to deal with a lot of negative and many times illogical opinions. If you always feel the need to prove your self right your going to argue more than anything here, and it quickly becomes an exercise in futility. Add to all of this the fact that high end figure collecting has had a massive wave of new collectors come to the table. It's great that more people have come to appreciate these figures the way we do, but it can be tedious dealing with their newbile questions, and perspectives on high end figures. Because I to really hated the whole newb thing, I try be patient and helpful with new members as do others of the more seasoned members. I also try not to call some one out just for being a new members. You can not expect this from everyone especially the 5+ years members. This brings me to the posts above preceded by your initial question huskie.
Answering your question
So are these rubber concerns about the figure legitimate? Are people just overreacting? Or are people just being absurd displaying there figures in a warm environment?
Either way, easy pre-order. Should look awesome.
I research and do what I can to contribute to my hospitals evidence based practice database. If your familiar with evidence based practice you know the level of scrutiny to publish these articles is border line absurd. To answer your question "are their legitimate concern?" well, yes and no. These HT figures are produced in china, so very little is known for sure about the actual methods and material that go in to these figures. We don't even know how many of anyone figure is actually produced. Given the limited scope of our hobby their is very little incentive to commit time and money in to research in hopes of producing empirical data to support our complaints. If empirical data is what you require than no there is none to directly discredit hot toys rubber.
I realized very quickly you can not apply this level of scrutiny to this hobby. Because of this it is on all of us to look at the data we do have and make our own conclusions. I have been collecting for 5 years and it is my opinion that the rubber concerns are very legitimate. I have seen many informed members who I'm almost certain take good care of their figures have similar issues to myself with hot toys rubber.
The information you have brought to the table (extreme/stagnate posing, light/ heat exposure, and environment) is all very common knowledge to experienced collectors. I don't know many experienced members who don't have at least mild concerns with hot toys rubber. Granted some may overreact and many forget to analyze the pictures and consider the circumstances, but I have and I still actively avoid rubber bodies and costumes.
The most recent issue with the ED-209 domes has very much galvanized my resolve on the matter. These domes deteriorated very rapidly and in higher numbers than I have seen before in hot toys. Many who I consider distinguished vets to this forum and hobby had this problem. This in particular disturbed me because I know that these guys know how to treat their figures, and it is highly unlikely this was some how their fault or just a random occurrence. You ask your question at a time when concern for hot toys rubber is at its highest, and beginning to seem very legitimate.
@Huskie I know you and Motuxmen think you were victimized for asking a question, but the only remotely negative reply was DiFabio "Ah, the naivety of newbs" This is passive aggressive at best, and given the nature of your question and another new member immediately posting after you also dismissing the rubber speculation I agree with DiFabio. It was not till your second post (below) that anyone started taking a dig at you
I sure would like to see some pics of this "rubber deterioration" everyone is talking about. To go along with these pics, an explanation of how and where the figure was displayed. I mean I really hope people don't display there figures directly under a light for months to years on end in the same pose. Or I hope people do not constantly mess with the figure five times a day for a year. I think improper knowledge of the collectors of how/where to display and handle high end figures are the problem here, not hot toys.
I hope that what I have written above can give you some perspective on how rude and ignorant this comes off. As a new member if you really want to be taken seriously here you are going to need to learn how to ask questions and assert your opinion more delicately. Not to be harsh but it's posts like this that give new members a bad name around here.
