1/6th Scale Sideshow Tauntaun

[Pixelpiper]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

Like I said, I don't remember Han having a blue coat except for on that Kenner figure. And I have watched the film more time than I can remember on all formats, collected all the trading cards, posters, etc.

 

[Khev]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

If you see "navy" when you look at that photo (still), I don't know what to say. And I'm looking at it with a calibrated monitor... Even the figure was never produced in navy - far from, IMO.

I'd like a nice looking high-end Han in Hoth gear regardless, but I'll be somewhat disappointed if they put him in a blue coat. They'd never get any shade of blue to match every scene - because the coat was not blue to begin with. But if everything else was close, such as the cut and pattern, I suppose I could live with it. But in all honesty, even on un-corrected film release it's still a stretch to call what you see on screen "blue." They could make a dark grey version that that would more closely match what's seen in the film on older versions.

Well not blue like "sky blue" obviously. But a dark grey/blue or navy yes. And no I'm not going by the awful special editions that tinted everything blue (even the snow.)

I've seen the museums that showcase his coat like the picture below and I can definitely say that if that's original it certainly looks brown. But that's not what I've ever seen onscreen.

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

"navy" is the color of Captain America's suit in that picture in your signature - at his shoulders only and on some of the dancers. But anyway, if this is to be a Sideshow figure, I'd be much more worried about the head sculpt, because to this day, I can probably count on two or three fingers the number of "acceptable" head sculpts Sideshow has released on human characters. And I'd still have two fingers left over, because the only one I can think of is Henry Jones Sr - which still looks much better with a repaint.

 

[kl241]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

?! The coat appears BROWN on screen. "Back in the day" it appeared an indeterminate "dark" shade, but never did it look "blue" like Kenner's figure, nor Hasbro's re-releases. As I kid, having owned Hoth Han, I always wondered why on earth the toy had a blue coat.

I think it's been proven that the original prop jacket was brown, but the way it was photographed on film and then printed after the inter-positive print was struck made it appear dark blue in the original theatrical cut as illustrated on the Kenner card. After the color timing was re-timed by Lowry Digital for the DVD/Blu-ray release it was restored to the original brown. That's just one of the color timing tweaks that irked me, the others being they made Boba Fett greener than the Panzer Green his helmet should be and the lightsabers changed hues slightly. Also the Tie Fighter models were painted Midnight blue but photographed white in the theatrical print just to drive the point home.

 

[Hollywood]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

Actually the jacket was a gray/ navy blue. Over time the dye that was used oxidized and has since changed color. This is a very common trait for film wardrobe of the 50- 80s.

I saw the jacket in person in the early 1990s at the archives and it still some of its blue hue. I saw the jacket about a year go again, and it was defiantly more brown now.

The hoth jacket color was the same blue as his bespin jacket, which has also aged, but has aged more toward the grey offset color blended into the fabric.

Hope this helps.

 

[icruise]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

You have any proof for that? I really think it's just a case of the prop looking different on screen due to a color cast. By the same token, a lot of people think Jedi Luke's cloak in the Jabba's Palace scenes in ROTJ was black, but it's actually brown.

 

[icruise]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

I happened upon this UK comic cover when doing an unrelated ebay search. Seems pretty brown to me.

 

[bloodgear]

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[Pixelpiper]

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Exactly. Now THAT's a blue coat.

Actually the jacket was a gray/ navy blue. Over time the dye that was used oxidized and has since changed color.

Does that mean they made the coat in 1962 and aged it for 20 years before using it in the movie? Because it wasn't any kind of grey or blue in the film.

I can't recall anyone ever showing a photograph or movie still where the coat actually looks blue. Over the years I've heard countless times "it looked blue in the movie" - no it didn't. At least not any "blue" I've ever seen before. There were all kinds of blue color casts in the movie which definitely altered the colors of plenty of wardrobe pieces and Han's coat was no exception. And while you could not tell precisely what color it looked, it never (not ever that I can recall or have ever seen any kind of proof) appeared like the Kenner figure. Grab any scan of a Kenner card and sample or ramp the colors in it and you'll never get blue out of the coat.

If a new figure is produced and comes with a blue coat as standard, then, IMO, that's just catering to the Kenner vintage figure and not much else. I doubt very much that we'd see an extra coat as an exclusive item either, it's too elaborate a freebie.

I'm sure no matter what gets released there will be plenty of opportunity for people to customize one way or another.

 

[bloodgear]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

Photo on the far left does look extremely blue for it but..

The Tippet puppet was "blue cloth"

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

The one on the right is a great example. You can clearly tell there's a blue color cast by the lighting and that it's a brown-ish coat. The one on the left is more obscured, but I still wouldn't call it blue - even though it's the closest to blue I'e ever seen in a still.

 

[icruise]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

It looks pretty blue here:

I think the whole controversy is a result of a color cast in many scenes, combined with the fact that Han wore a blue coat in many other scenes, all reinforced by the Kenner figure. But I see no evidence that the actual coat was ever blue.

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

The Taun Taun also looks "blue" in that image though. It's clear in some scenes that the lighting is very blue, and in that frame honestly, I couldn't tell you what color the coat is - it could even have been black or dark grey.

Thanks for showing these excellent examples though - they're the best I've seen to date.

Maybe they should ship a brown coat and a little blue-LED lighting module that you can set up over the figure if you want to give everything a vintage blue color cast. Probably a better idea than shipping a blue Taun Taun and blue-ish coat.

 

[Hollywood]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

You have any proof for that? I really think it's just a case of the prop looking different on screen due to a color cast. By the same token, a lot of people think Jedi Luke's cloak in the Jabba's Palace scenes in ROTJ was black, but it's actually brown.

Just telling you what I saw in person at the archives.

 

[icruise]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

Can you elaborate on that? You're saying you saw the coat in blue before it changed? Or what?

 

[Pixelpiper]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

Someone's going to come into this thread and think Sideshow has already announced/shown a Hoth Han... Any day now.

 

[Hollywood]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

Can you elaborate on that? You're saying you saw the coat in blue before it changed? Or what?

In Costumes that were manufactured between the 50's to the early 80's its is widely known that the dyes used typically will change color over time. In the case of blue dyes its not uncommon for the dye to oxidize changing the color from blue to shades of brown, or purple, or even a lilac color.

The jacket was manufactured in London by Bermans. Many other costumes they made using the same dyes as they did for Star Wars costumes have also changed color. Most of the color change is due to storage of the garments and the condition of said storage. So in some cases blue costumes are stil nice and blue, while some are not.

Yes I am saying when I first saw the jacket in the early 1990's it was more blue gray than brown. However the dye had already started to change color in some spots of the jacket such as under the arms, around most of the seems, and on the hood. When I saw the jacket last year it was more brown than the last time I saw it. When you see the jacket today it is clear in person that the brown color was not the original color of the jacket, because there are still parts of the jacket where the original color peaks through giving it a blended version of the two.

The bespin jacket was the same blue gray color as the Hoth jacket where depending on what light you place on it, it might appear more gray or blue. That jacket is in the collection of Propstore, and when you see it now, the jacket blue appears more gray today.

Hope this helps.

 

[icruise]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

So how do you explain the photos taken in the mid-80s that appear to show a brown coat?

 

[Hollywood]

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So how do you explain the photos taken in the mid-80s that appear to show a brown coat?

Dude I really don't care. I was trying to be helpful by giving first hand accounts, and as a collector of the screen used props and costumes from the film. I saw the jacket in person twice so I know what the color should be. It doesn't matter to me what color the jacket on a not even announced figure "might be". It's cool that your into it, but just seems you want to argue till its agreed your opinion is correct.

The color was blue gray, a fact supported by the the jacket in person, the blue ray, the filming miniatures, figure of the time and his counter part Bespin jacket made by the same company at the same time which has also altered from its original screen used coloring.

Your entitled to an opinion, but calm down a little, this is a toy your not curing cancer.

 

[Darth Waller]

Re: 1/6th Scale Sideshow TaunTaun (in development)

It looks brown here, but I'm pretty sure I always saw blue in the film.