Avengers: Endgame

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Not just best Christmas action movie but easily in the top 10 best action movies of all time.

Yes! Easily. I'd put it in my Top 5... if counting straight action flicks only (not mixing genres with, say, something like Predator... or modern comic book movies).

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Pfft. Die Hard 1 is boring, not like the hi-octane modern pace of its superior Die Hard 5.

Wut?

 

[xipotec]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Pfft. Die Hard 1 is boring, not like the hi-octane modern pace of its superior Die Hard 5.

I may never be able to talk to you again after you used “high octane” to describe a movie......


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[a-dev]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Hell even the movie review guys were boring in the 80s like Siskel and Ebert who needs them when you can that hi-octane fast talking guy on youtube that has 50 edits per sentence lol

That guy is to me as Grace is to Chakor.

Despite being top five in the MCU and lightning in a bottle, little things that bother me in A1:

Cap looking like a cosplayer at comic con in that suit
Cap pretending to have a radio in his ear to communicate with Stark (it's not there, I've looked )
Tesseract able to grant mind control powers by tapping on the chest
Mind control powers gone by simple knock to the head
Black Widow able to master alien weapons within seconds of use

Umm there's probably more but I feel jye's eyes on me.

Black Widow not getting her arms ripped off when she jumped onto that Chitauri thing flying past at high speed. Or Black Widow and Hawkeye being able to do the things they do in general considering they don't have super-powers that I'm aware of.

Also what was up with lines like "u will pay for his life with yours" when Corvius Glaive is like, pretty much alive - there was other script sloppiness which surprised me with the Russos.

That was a deliberate ploy was it not? I didn't think that was a goof.

Wut?

Jye mentioned the other day how kids today probably prefer The Predator over the 'boring' original.

I may never be able to talk to you again after you used “high octane” to describe a movie......


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

I'm sure I saw it on the cover of a Con Air VHS sleeve back in the day

 

[ShadowX81]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

jye and I disagree a lot but I will have to agree with him on this. If IW had taken, let's say, 5 minutes to develop each of the 20+ main characters (including the ones we've already been introduced to), can you imagine what a snorefest it could have been? I don't need nor want any more of Hulk X Natasha or Wanda X Vision dulling down the story. IW finally gave us Thanos' triumph which is what it set out to do.

If Avengers 4 somehow managed to drop the ball then that would hurt IW greatly, but since the Russos have two pretty great films on their resume, I still remain optimistic.

How about 5 or 10 minutes total. Just one scene with your heroes where there wasn't a fight or explosion.

The MCU was purposely structured to have an epic 2 hour fight scene event movie that’s what 10 years worth of character build up buys you.

You are complaining about the core component of what the MCU is supposed to do!

What? Where was that rule written?

Because all the previous team up films had no problem giving our heroes some downtime between fights to develop them.

 

[Neal136]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

There was a ton of character development in Infinity War ... but it was almost solely reserved for Thanos, and to a lesser extent, Gamora. We also got a continuation (some would say improvement) of Thor's journey that really amped up in Ragnarok. I agree that Cap and the other "secret" Avengers came up a bit short, but as others have pointed out, we certainly have had a TON of character development in the past for all of these different heroes. This film belonged to Thanos, and served as a culmination of everything that came before it. I realize that, as a pure stand-alone movie, that may cause some narrative issues, but this movie simply doesn't exist without everything that led up to it. The MCU is a different animal than we've ever been exposed to before in film history, so the standard rules don't apply here.

 

[Khev]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

I may never be able to talk to you again after you used “high octane” to describe a movie......

I'm sure I saw it on the cover of a Con Air VHS sleeve back in the day

And still used to this day, lol.

 

[Sassafras]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

There was a ton of character development in Infinity War ... but it was almost solely reserved for Thanos, and to a lesser extent, Gamora. We also got a continuation (some would say improvement) of Thor's journey that really amped up in Ragnarok. I agree that Cap and the other "secret" Avengers came up a bit short, but as others have pointed out, we certainly have had a TON of character development in the past for all of these different heroes. This film belonged to Thanos, and served as a culmination of everything that came before it. I realize that, as a pure stand-alone movie, that may cause some narrative issues, but this movie simply doesn't exist without everything that led up to it. The MCU is a different animal than we've ever been exposed to before in film history, so the standard rules don't apply here.

It's crossed my mind that Russos are comic fans; comics start/stop/reboot. And have characters show up as cameos who disappear again. And - the writers had flat out said some folks wouldn't be happy with the treatment.

Agree about Thor tho - esp. since Hemsworth in press really seems to have wanted to move on (or at least work more with Waititi). Thought he really brought it in IW - IMO Hemsworth will leave MCU on a high note (if he leaves).

Meanwhile...even if true, or maybe it's wishful thinking???? rumor is teaser/trailer release imminent. Might be wishful thinking tho.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/avengers-4-trailer-november-28th-heres/

In an online Q&A held earlier this month, Avengers 4 co-director Joe Russo teased that we “may or may not” be seeing the much anticipated first trailer before the year’s out, but even despite this, the general consensus still seems to be that the teaser will be dropping before the end of this month.

And now, we have even more evidence to believe that’ll be the case. Adding onto everything we’ve already heard, Collider is reporting that Joe and Anthony Russo will be holding a special Q&A screening of Avengers: Infinity War on November 28th. Given that it seems pretty odd to be putting on such an event so long after the film first hit theaters, speculation has kicked into overdrive that there must be an ulterior motive here.

 

[Chakor]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Because all the previous team up films had no problem giving our heroes some downtime between fights to develop them.

Plenty of their other team up films had problems with development IMO. While they gave us downtime I wouldn't necessarily say all of it was "good" downtime. Was Bruce X Natasha, that came out of nowhere with no real build-up to it in the other films, really worthwhile development for either of their characters? And were all of the farmhouse scenes really worthwhile or were they just bloated filler content?

Practically nobody had any development in AoU other than Vision, Scarlett Witch, and maybe Hawkeye.

Cap, Tony, Bucky, and BP are the only characters who had any worthwhile development in CW.

The original Avengers along with Guardians 1 are the only two MCU team up films that properly balanced action and development IMO (unless you count WS as a team up). Who honestly wants more Vision X Wanda or more rhetorical lectures from General Ross?

 

[Sassafras]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Plenty of their other team up films had problems with development IMO. While they gave us downtime I wouldn't necessarily say all of it was "good" downtime. Was Bruce X Natasha, that came out of nowhere with no real build-up to it in the other films, really worthwhile development for either of their characters? And were all of the farmhouse scenes really worthwhile or were they just bloated filler content?

Practically nobody had any development in AoU other than Vision, Scarlett Witch, and maybe Hawkeye.

Cap, Tony, Bucky, and BP are the only characters who had any worthwhile development in CW.

The original Avengers along with Guardians 1 are the only two MCU team up films that properly balanced action and development IMO (unless you count WS as a team up). Who honestly wants more Vision X Wanda or more rhetorical lectures from General Ross?

I would. Love Ross...Vision is class act and Wanda especially - was a time Russos were talking about how interesting she was as a character, how much power or potential power she had, and that it was interesting as she was still developing. I'd been looking forward to seeing where that went. It WAS nice to see she'd obviously gotten more comfortable with her powers since CW. One of the things I appreciated in IW was Vision and Wanda. I think she hasn't reached her full potential yet.

Agree that the AOU farmhouse stuff - some of it - was Whedon derailing. Even using a family farm as a safehouse was bogus who does that to their kids? But Fury and Tony, Tony and Steve were good, esp. Tony.

Fortunately the frighteningly acute Feige came up with the limited run TV series, 'coz as characters go IMO for me both CW and Ragnarok opened doors to see where character dynamics would go for Bucky, Falcon, Loki, and Wanda. All of them IMO are at interesting places in their arcs and could fall from one side to the other.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

And yes jye I just preordered six cases of super-deformed AOTC figures, lol. I already want to watch A1 again, lol. And holy crap I couldn't help but chuckle more than once at how profoundly superior a six year old teamup movie was compared to JL.

I loved a-dev’s use of the snarkey Kung Fu master

Yeah man A1 truly holds up.

Yep. Same. I was even expecting it to be cheesy and terrible; I didn't like Willis at all on TV. Instantly won me over in the first 15 minutes and just kept going. Couldn't believe how jacked up with excitement I was when leaving the theater. One of the true great movie surprises in my life.

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Yes! Easily. I'd put it in my Top 5... if counting straight action flicks only (not mixing genres with, say, something like Predator... or modern comic book movies).

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How about 5 or 10 minutes total. Just one scene with your heroes where there wasn't a fight or explosion.


What? Where was that rule written?

Because all the previous team up films had no problem giving our heroes some downtime between fights to develop them.

Please see below \/ lol

There was a ton of character development in Infinity War ... but it was almost solely reserved for Thanos, and to a lesser extent, Gamora. We also got a continuation (some would say improvement) of Thor's journey that really amped up in Ragnarok. I agree that Cap and the other "secret" Avengers came up a bit short, but as others have pointed out, we certainly have had a TON of character development in the past for all of these different heroes. This film belonged to Thanos, and served as a culmination of everything that came before it. I realize that, as a pure stand-alone movie, that may cause some narrative issues, but this movie simply doesn't exist without everything that led up to it. The MCU is a different animal than we've ever been exposed to before in film history, so the standard rules don't apply here.

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Next time someone tries to label the MCU as just standard formula stuff you have Wor-Gar’s permission to answer in this manner:

 

[ShadowX81]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Plenty of their other team up films had problems with development IMO. While they gave us downtime I wouldn't necessarily say all of it was "good" downtime. Was Bruce X Natasha, that came out of nowhere with no real build-up to it in the other films, really worthwhile development for either of their characters? And were all of the farmhouse scenes really worthwhile or were they just bloated filler content?

Yes, the farm scenes were some of the best in that film that otherwise was kind of a mess. Party scene at the beginning too.

Practically nobody had any development in AoU other than Vision, Scarlett Witch, and maybe Hawkeye.

Cap, Tony, Bucky, and BP are the only characters who had any worthwhile development in CW.

If you just want to dismiss anything you don't like as not "worthwhile" than I guess it is easier to argue your point.

The original Avengers along with Guardians 1 are the only two MCU team up films that properly balanced action and development IMO (unless you count WS as a team up). Who honestly wants more Vision X Wanda or more rhetorical lectures from General Ross?

What are you talking about? Civil War was filled with character development for everyone. Im honestly surprised they managed to juggle it all so well.

You can hate all you want on character development, but ultimately its a strawman argument when the alternative is nothing but CGI and explosions. Which is not what makes a quality movie.
Maybe I wanted a film where the sole character development wasn't reserved for the villain, with the heroes only around really for fight scenes.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Okay after chatting about it here I went ahead and watched the original Avengers on blu from beginning to end for the first time since before TWS. Wow, yeah my criticisms were totally off base, lol.

I freaking loved it.

I was braced for Cap's dumb uniform but it didn't ruin the flick and he didn't even wear the goofy cowl for that much of the run time.

The movie just had a great vibe from beginning to end.

*Loved* all the seeds of future developments! Seeds of Civil War with Steve and Tony squaring off against each other on the helicarrier, seeds of IW with the Chitauri invasion and constant references to the one who was really pulling the strings (and obviously Thanos himself at the very end.) Even little things like Loki asking Thor if he'd ever not fall for the hologram trick which would have a huge payoff in Ragnarok. After Russo-ized BW you really know that her Russian interrogators are toast right from the get go in her opening scene, lol. Even just hearing Vision's voice as Jarvis, holy hell the amount of seeds that played to full fruition later on. Really unbelievable.

And that's *just* the universe building aspects of the film because the movie itself was still great as a self-contained story with tons of satisfying arcs. I had forgotten a lot of the great little moments like Hulk trying to pick up Thor's hammer, Tony's line about pissing off one last guy "his name was Phil," and all the Chitauri ganging up on Hulk to blast him with like 20 chariots at once. "Galaga" was still hilarious, lol. The visuals still hold up as if it were a 2018 film and the score is one of the MCU's best. I feel really stupid typing all this out so I'll just stop and close with "I stand corrected" on dismissing this movie these past few years, lol.

 

[Otomofan]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

The party scene in AOU is probably my single favorite scene in all of the MCU films. No fighting, no big action scene...just characters we know and love goofing around with each other.

I'd love to see a full movie just like that, with Steve and Tony and Thor and the gang. "The Avengers' Day Off."

 

[a-dev]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

And imagine if they had Ragnorok's talking Hulk added into the mix.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

So most if not all rumor circles keep confirming that

Spoiler

there is another threat besides Thanos

.

This isn’t your grandfathers IW lol

 

[Caped Baldy]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Trailer coming either Friday or next Monday. Hope it takes all attention away from that unfunny looking Deadpool Xmas film.

 

[Khev]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Trailer coming either Friday or next Monday.

That's why Aquaman is coming out in December, they didn't want to compete with IW's trailer, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Oh man some things are so true so tragic yet so funny and that is one of those things lol

WB is so confident with Aquaman they even showed the ending in their trailer

Can’t wait for Aquaman to race Flash under water.

 

[Khev]

Re: Untitled 4th Avengers film (May 3rd, 2019)

Oh man some things are so true so tragic yet so funny and that is one of those things lol

WB is so confident with Aquaman they even showed the ending in their trailer

Can’t wait for Aquaman to race Flash under water.

Hopefully the Russian family from JL is exploring the sea bottom in a civilian submarine charter and needs to be rescued from a horde of chasing sharks during the final battle, lol.

"Not again!"