Avengers: Endgame

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Yes no arguing that TA had a good script, but like you said about AEG it was also obvious which characters Joss had a crush on and which he didn't.

He'll always get a pass for the "there's only one God" line though.

I don't know if Joss had a crush on Hulk.. He sure didn't in AOU.. BW was his main interest. His Buffy of the MCU.

Caps line you mention is awesome.. So is taking control of the Avengers (and they all step in line right away even IM) Cap running through the streets freaking leaping cars, telling the cops what to do but they ask who he is and then he takes out 5 Aliens and strikes an Awesome pose soon after. Jumping behind his shield when the alien explosive blows up.. I think if Cap just had a different Cowl you would have been very happy with Cap in Avengers.

I admit he is not Iron Man or Hulk but he is still pretty cool... Now Thor on the other hand.. Joss had no idea what to do with him in either film he directed.. OF course MCU didn't really seem to know what to do either until Thor 3.

Also Joss has Cap do plenty of cool things in AUO.. I mean he takes on Ultron by himself which was IMO the best part of the film. Movie is just awful

No.. There is a huge difference between how Joss treated Cap and how Russo's treated Hulk.

My head would have exploded if Hulk in EG got to do as much as Cap did in Avengers

Joss may not have had a crush on Cap but he liked him more then Russo's seemed to like Hulk. Banner on the other Hand.. Russo's love Banner.



Anyways.. Like I have been saying all along. I really hope my 2nd viewing is good therapy for me. Cap is not my 2nd fav Marvel comic hero but he is my 2nd fav MCU hero.

I should have been head over heals in love with everything this film did for Cap instead of leaving the theaters frustrated.

Where was my fan service.. Where damn it ​

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Hulk lost all credibility when he was knocked out by Tony in AOU, then got beat up by Thor and Valkerie. Thanos beat him with 5 hits, and the ancient one with one punch. Even Hawkeye has a better fighting record. Thank god my 8 year old self never saw this.

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Apologies if this has been mentioned already - and it may not be news to anyone - but all four Avengers films are now in the all-time global top 10.

There’ll be two in the top 5, probably including #1 or #2.

I may be more of a DC guy, but: Well played Marvel, well played.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Hulk lost all credibility when he was knocked out by Tony in AOU, then got beat up by Thor and Valkerie. Thanos beat him with 5 hits, and the ancient one with one punch. Even Hawkeye has a better fighting record. Thank god my 8 year old self never saw this.

This all so true and all so frustrating.

Well off I go to watch The Avengers action scenes to make myself feel better ​

I cant believe that Banner / Hulk arc was just to have Banner have a big green Body.

Man I sure hope Hulk is cooler in Caps Alternate timeline ​

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Apologies if this has been mentioned already - and it may not be news to anyone - but all four Avengers films are now in the all-time global top 10.

There’ll be two in the top 5, probably including #1 or #2.

I may be more of a DC guy, but: Well played Marvel, well played.

Yeah.. Really amazing..

And it has to be frustrating as a DC fan. DC should be taking up at least one or two of those spots.. Man WB fumbled the ball.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

DC should consider not making more movies. They should do like Andy at the end of Toy Story 3 and give their toys away.

 

[MaulFan]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

So I'm trying to understand: was Hulk so ashamed of his defeat by Thanos that he spent all of IW hiding and then in EG basically merged with Banner, kind of like peeking out from behind a blanket. Is that what happened to Hulk?

Oh I know what you were up to Pazuzu



Writer's did not do a good job with getting their point across... They stated that it was because Hulk was tired of being used just to fight Banner's battles only to have Banner take control again.

It did not come across that way.. People either thought he was embarrassed or scared.

Thing is.. Unless they fix this in another film.. Hulk right now in EG is pissed off royally... He is not a body.. He is another personality. He wants control. He hates Banner.. I would imagine Banner using his body really pisses him off.

If they don't do anything with this it is just further proof that Russo's or any other writers at Disney MCU have never read a Hulk comic.

It was an evolving idea started in Ultron and carried through Ragnarok, Hulk felt like an outcast and unappreciated, which is why he thrives on being loved on Sakaar, but then Thanos shows up just after he leaves and he was already Hulk at the time. Once Banner wanted him back, he wouldn’t come out cuz he didn’t feel like helping. They pretty much rush the resolution of that in exposition about the past 5 years when professor Hulk shows up.

 

[Royce12]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Hulk was a big letdown. He reminded me of Beast from X-Men more than the Incredible Hulk. He needed another shot at Thanos for redemption to showcase himself as a brute with brains. The fight could have ended in a draw but at least it would show that he can now use his smarts to hang with Thanos. If not a Thanos rematch, putting the gauntlet on him should have caused him to Hulk Out and given us and scene of him raging and the other avengers trying to stop him.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Chakor]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Now Thor on the other hand.. Joss had no idea what to do with him in either film he directed.. OF course MCU didn't really seem to know what to do either until Thor 3.

Branagh understood him best IMO, which is a shame since he only got to do one film.

They didn't nail Thor again until IW and then they butchered him again in EG.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

This all so true and all so frustrating.

Well off I go to watch The Avengers action scenes to make myself feel better ​

I cant believe that Banner / Hulk arc was just to have Banner have a big green Body.

Man I sure hope Hulk is cooler in Caps Alternate timeline ​

No doubt about it us Hulk fans are super bummed out.

I use humor to deal with it but i’m only laughing on the outside.

Hulk was a big letdown. He reminded me of Beast from X-Men more than the Incredible Hulk. He needed another shot at Thanos for redemption to showcase himself as a brute with brains. The fight could have ended in a draw but at least it would show that he can now use his smarts to hang with Thanos. If not a Thanos rematch, putting the gauntlet on him should have caused him to Hulk Out and given us and scene of him raging and the other avengers trying to stop him.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The closest we got to an Ultimates showdown was Thor v Hulk in A1 and HB v Hulk in AOU which is fine because Thanos needed to be the brute force in IW/EG not Hulk BUT Hulk should’ve been proper Hulk on the battlefield.

It just makes no sense why they did that to him what was the big deal to just let Hulk be Hulk especially in the big finale, so bizarre.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

At least have him fight that big Black Order guy again, this time as Hulk instead of Banner inside Hulkbuster.

 

[e30ernest]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Branagh understood him best IMO, which is a shame since he only got to do one film.

They didn't nail Thor again until IW and then they butchered him again in EG.

I think Hemsworth is partly to blame. He was tired of the Shakespearean-esque portrayal of Thor and wanted to infuse more of his own personality into the character. I wouldn't be surprised if this is now part of his contract with Marvel.

 

[Chakor]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I think Hemsworth is partly to blame. He was tired of the Shakespearean-esque portrayal of Thor and wanted to infuse more of his own personality into the character. I wouldn't be surprised if this is now part of his contract with Marvel.

Oh, I don't doubt that. After all, Hemsworth couldn't even be bothered to wear a helmet in exchange for his paycheck without complaining about it on multiple occasions IIRC.

Nevertheless I'm happy enough with what we got in Thor 1 and IW to ignore how poorly the character was handled in most of his other appearances in the MCU.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Thor was good in IW. That's all you need.

Hulk was good in neither. You have to go back to A1 for a good Hulk (best Hulk).

Black Widow was OK, but if she doesn't wrap her legs around someone's throat and twirl them to the ground, then it isn't a good movie for her.

 

[e30ernest]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Oh, I don't doubt that. After all, Hemsworth couldn't even be bothered to wear a helmet in exchange for his paycheck without complaining about it on multiple occasions IIRC.

Nevertheless I'm happy enough with what we got in Thor 1 and IW to ignore how poorly the character was handled in most of his other appearances in the MCU.

To be honest, I've grown to like the new Thor. I originally didn't like him in Ragnarok but when you sum up all the things that has happened to him throughout the movies, this is a plausible direction his character would take.

From living thousands of years as a relatively sheltered prince who had everything to meeting a bunch of oafs in Earth and becoming their friend, to losing pretty much everything in the span of a few days to being ultimately responsible for the death of half of all life. That's a lot for one character to take in and I'm not surprised he was but a shell of himself at Endgame.

 

[Johnny1378]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Hulk is a crappy character anyway...

He’s had 2 films to himself and cannot really hold a box office....and he just doesn’t resonate with the fans unless he’s the butt of the joke.

Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

I don’t know. I think if done right, Hulk isn’t a crappy character at all. He’s a “superhero character” that isn’t a superhero at all, but a monster that’s a literal manifestation of years of repressed emotion. A lot of drama could be culled from that. It’s just that the Russos (and maybe Fiege, Ruffalo, and whoever else was involved) made the creative decision to go with Professor Hulk as a way of wrapping up his character arc. While I think I get what they were going for, they ended up using what I would guess is one of the least popular versions of Hulk to do it. To me, a Hulk that’s completely in control just isn’t that interesting.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

a monster that’s a literal manifestation of years of repressed emotion. A lot of drama could be culled from that.

OK, what do you do with that?

 

[DarkChocobi]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Except for the final battle, which was kinda lame anyway. IW was way much better than EG.

 

[Rotfish]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Thor's handling doesn't bother me that much. My one complaint is that he didn't become buff again when going into lightning mode during the final fight of Endgame. As for him becoming more of a comedic fish out of water type, he always seemed that way to me. Even in the first Thor, he was overconfident and oafish at times. The writers may have played up that aspect in more recent films, but the DNA has been there since day one. I've never taken him seriously. A serious Thor would be like injecting a DC character into the MCU. No gel.

It’s just that the Russos (and maybe Fiege, Ruffalo, and whoever else was involved) made the creative decision to go with Professor Hulk as a way of wrapping up his character arc.

Do we know that his arc is over? If not, the Professor Hulk persona could be just a quick and recognizable way to get his character into a more versatile spot. Now that Banner has control and can actually speak intelligibly as the Hulk, we can more complex storylines involving him in that mode.

 

[snoop101]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I loved the movie but the ending sucked, could have done with out the pandering. It makes absolutely no sense why cap would give the shield to Falcon. The scene assumes these two had a closer bond then what was shown in the movies. Falcon joined Cap in winter soldier and fought with him in civil war but the history is not there. The whole scene felt forced because of this and definitely out of place (pandering at its finest). Over 60 years of history with Bucky replaced by a guy that idolized him but just became his friend recently and has nothing in common with him (other than being a good guy). Cap had gone thru so much more with Bucky, they went from good friends to enemies back to friends again. Not to mention, Bucky was injected with a similar serum as cap, passing the baton to Bucky after all they went thru and how much Bucky had grown from winter soldier would have been a perfect end to cap's character arc. He was able to save his friend from programing and the darkness that consumed him and Bucky in turn dedicated his life to honor his friend by assuming his mantel.

I don't have any problems with Falcon as a character but he is not a super soldier his only powers (if you can call them that) is mechanical wings and having a trigger finger with pistols. Cap is a super soldier whose expertise is hand to hand combat, its not even believable within the MCU that he could assume the role, unless its simply that a role and he isn't actually going to dawn the colors or the shield. I know they did this in the comics but it failed miserably probably for the same reasons I don't like it. Bucky is the only realistic replacement for cap, yes he did bad things under hydra programming but that's because of the programming not who he is. Isnt that the point of his and Steve's story arc, steve stuck by Bucky thru everything because he knew how easily that could have been him, had the Russians found him instead of Bucky he could have been the winter soldier too, and bucky captain America.They were very similar before their paths diverged due to circumstance and chance alone.

Well said. This was one my biggest issues with the film.