Avengers: Endgame

[ironwez20]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I’ll say this forever but 08 hulk was way better and more savage then this current hulk. The 08 hulk would of put up a huge fight against thanos. That hulk was a complete monster. He wasn’t some dumb green ape he was very smart aswell

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I can tell JAWS is hurting real bad over Hulk when he’s trying to convince Khev that EG is a full on liberal propaganda machine just to make him hate Cap’s triumphant metamorphosis into the Superman of the MCU!

JAWS resorting now to hitting below the belt lol

Chris Evans said when he plays Cap he plays him as a SJW Liberal.

No.. There is a huge difference between how Joss treated Cap and how Russo's treated Hulk.

Okay yeah if IW opened with Cap getting his ass handed to him only for him to then be "Steve Urkel Cap" in AEG while Hulk was wielding Thor's hammer and living happily ever after I'd be pissed too, lol.

The Russos don't hate Hulk though, they wanted him to have a cool moment but just didn't like him *enough* to make sure that it happened at all costs. When they couldn't get it to fit into the end of IW they obviously didn't try to change anything in AEG to add it there instead. In short he really did get "ROTK Saruman'd." Which obviously is a massive bummer if he's your favorite guy.

I know that for CW they specifically said that they wrote every single character to either have a major action moment, major emotion moment, or both since they knew that every single hero in the film was *someone's* favorite. Apparently they didn't feel quite the same way with IW/AEG or just felt that catering to everyone's favorite wasn't feasible this time around.

I would imagine that CM fans are largely in the same boat as you. I mean sure she blew up his ship but then she got ***** slapped pretty much as badly as Hulk did in IW. And then you've got poor Vision and BW who didn't even get to attend the big party at the end.

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Branagh understood him best IMO, which is a shame since he only got to do one film.

They didn't nail Thor again until IW and then they butchered him again in EG.

As has already been mentioned the Russos relented to Hemsworth's request to portray him more like his Ragnarok incarnation for his final outing with the full Avengers team.

So IW = Russo Thor
AEG = Hemsworth Thor

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

At least have him fight that big Black Order guy again, this time as Hulk instead of Banner inside Hulkbuster.

I know right.. He could have done that as Professor Hulk no problem.. Something to give the Hulk fans a smile even if its not fully what we wanted.

I’ll say this forever but 08 hulk was way better and more savage then this current hulk. The 08 hulk would of put up a huge fight against thanos. That hulk was a complete monster. He wasn’t some dumb green ape he was very smart aswell

I love the 08 Hulk.. IMO it was the film that got the Hulk character the best. I was not in love with the super cut look that he had and he ever got to show off just how strong he is (Avengers is best at that) but man he got to do and say things that were lifted right out of the comics.

Its a very underrated film I think.. But that could be my Hulk bias talking.

 

[guyver1]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

A gripe I have after the events of EG is seeing a fatter Thor in the phase 4 schedule and professor Hulk

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

The Russos don't hate Hulk though, they wanted him to have a cool moment but just didn't like him *enough* to make sure that it happened at all costs. When they couldn't get it to fit into the end of IW they obviously didn't try to change anything in AEG to add it there instead. In short he really did get "ROTK Saruman'd." Which obviously is a massive bummer if he's your favorite guy.

Hate might be a strong word but Ruffalo and the Russo's don't seem to know just what it is exactly that fans love about Hulk.. Nobody really cares if Banner is at piece with his Hulk side

If they at least liked Hulk they would have put him in this movie. But he was nowhere to be seen.

I know that for CW they specifically said that they wrote every single character to either have a major action moment, major emotion moment, or both since they knew that every single hero in the film was *someone's* favorite. Apparently they didn't feel quite the same way with IW/AEG or just felt that catering to everyone's favorite wasn't feasible this time around.

I would imagine that CM fans are largely in the same boat as you. I mean sure she blew up his ship but then she got ***** slapped pretty much as badly as Hulk did in IW. And then you've got poor Vision and BW who didn't even get to attend the big party at the end.

I said this before but I would have been fine with CM and Hulk having reverse moments.. She could snap half the Universe back to life.. Hulk could rampage through the ship or do some other kind of damage and I would have been fine with him taking some of Thanos' best punches and getting knocked out because of the power stone.. I will admit I would have been a little disappointed but It would have been more satisfying..

I think had the Hulk finger snap been played with more emotion I would be fine with that also... Make a big deal over what he just did.. Something.. Damn it.. Jut give me something!!!

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

OK, what do you do with that?

It was called Ang Lee's Hulk

 

[guyver1]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I heard Evans wants to direct a MCU film in the future

 

[Johnny1378]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

OK, what do you do with that?

I think that’s a fair question that’s not easy to answer as long as Marvel is unwilling to make solo Hulk films (which if I understand right is because they don’t want to split the money with Universal who still has some movie rights to Hulk?).

Anyway, if they were willing to do more Hulk films, I’d love to see an adaptation of Incredible Hulk #324, 372 and 376-377. Some great stuff in there with the Grey Hulk and Banner’s background with his abusive father who originally caused him to repress his emotions. And it goes a lot into Banner, the Grey Hulk, and the Green Hulk’s struggle to be the dominant personality. Unfortunately, it probably wouldn’t make as much sense for them to do it now because they’ve already jumped ahead to professor Hulk, which is sort of like Batman v Superman throwing Doomsday in the movie, right off the bat. This is just my opinion of course, but I’ve always considered Hulk one of my top 5 comic book superheroes, and he’s such a tragic figure that I’ve always considered him one of the more interesting characters. I realize in Avengers movies, they’re ensemble movies, so there’s not as much time for them to be able to focus on the Hulk, but I was just trying to make the point that if there was still a willingness to make solo Hulk films, there would be a lot of great material from the comic books that they could adapt.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I'm certain there's lots to explore in the question of rage... and I'm sure the comics have done their best with him over many, many years. But I'm talking about a character in the movies of the MCU here and what you do with him in the context of an ensemble film.

It was called Ang Lee's Hulk

Exactly, 11 years ago. Can't keep doing it again and again.

Granted, I thought Prof Hulk was stupid, but not because I wanted to see angry Hulk 'smash' more stuff. I'm so tired of that tantrum stuff.

Other than Jekyll + Hyde nonsense and some soliloquies on rage and emotion, what the hell do you do with Hulk? He can't communicate when he's the green monster everyone loves, and when he can communicate no one cares because he's boring Banner. What exactly can you do with him? Don't you think greater minds than are sitting on this thread right now have pondered what can be done with him? And they came up with Prof. Hulk.

 

[guyver1]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Can the MCU keep the momentum in phase 4 without RDJ and Evans . I think this will be a challenge for Feige

 

[Johnny1378]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Thor's handling doesn't bother me that much. My one complaint is that he didn't become buff again when going into lightning mode during the final fight of Endgame. As for him becoming more of a comedic fish out of water type, he always seemed that way to me. Even in the first Thor, he was overconfident and oafish at times. The writers may have played up that aspect in more recent films, but the DNA has been there since day one. I've never taken him seriously. A serious Thor would be like injecting a DC character into the MCU. No gel.





Do we know that his arc is over? If not, the Professor Hulk persona could be just a quick and recognizable way to get his character into a more versatile spot. Now that Banner has control and can actually speak intelligibly as the Hulk, we can more complex storylines involving him in that mode.

I was just going by what (I think it was) Kevin Feige said, that they made a character arc for Hulk that started in Thor: Ragnarok, continued in Avengers: Infinity War, and would end in Avengers: Endgame. But I would love it if they did continue using the character.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Can the MCU keep the momentum in phase 4 without RDJ and Evans . I think this will be a challenge for Feige

No...

MCU is going to enter the DCEU phase.

 

[guyver1]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I was just going by what (I think it was) Kevin Feige said, that they made a character arc for Hulk that started in Thor: Ragnarok, continued in Avengers: Infinity War, and would end in Avengers: Endgame. But I would love it if they did continue using the character.

Personally I can’t see a Asgard on Earth movie working out..maybe the Eternals movie planned will tie into this

 

[guyver1]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

No...

MCU is going to enter the DCEU phase.

I really think RDJ should’ve negotiated his contract..I can’t seem him doing anything in his career to top being IM

His Sherlock Holmes was cringeworthy, but I heard he wants to do another role like that

 

[guyver1]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

No...

MCU is going to enter the DCEU phase.

If it wasn’t for Spidey and maybe FF and X-men, and the comedy of Ant-Man , I think I would give up on the MCU

I really think Disney is going to ruin Deadpool

Just like I almost have given up on the DCEU if it wasn’t for WW

 

[Johnny1378]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I'm certain there's lots to explore in the question of rage... and I'm sure the comics have done their best with him over many, many years. But I'm talking about a character in the movies of the MCU here and what you do with him in the context of an ensemble film.




Exactly, 11 years ago. Can't keep doing it again and again.

Granted, I thought Prof Hulk was stupid, but not because I wanted to see angry Hulk 'smash' more stuff. I'm so tired of that tantrum stuff.

Other than Jekyll + Hyde nonsense and some soliloquies on rage and emotion, what the hell do you do with Hulk? He can't communicate when he's the green monster everyone loves, and when he can communicate no one cares because he's boring Banner. What exactly can you do with him? Don't you think greater minds than are sitting on this thread right now have pondered what can be done with him? And they came up with Prof. Hulk.

I’d say in the context of ensemble films, you do with him, exactly what they did with him in the first Avengers movie. You have Bruce Banner do smart scientist guy stuff and you have Hulk smash a bunch of stuff because that’s all you can do when you can only commit 10 to 20 minutes to his background. It didn’t help that none of his supporting cast from the Incredible Hulk got to come along for the ride, unlike Cap or Iron Man. I mean, they finally brought Ross back in Civil War, but Hulk wasn’t even in that one. Since Abomination, he hasn’t had the benefit of any of his comic book villains appearing on screen either. For what it’s worth, I think Whedon did a good job with the character in the first Avengers movie. I would say not as good in the second movie-the stuff with Banner and Black Widow seemed contrived.
But that was still probably better than turning him into Professor Hulk, offscreen.

 

[guyver1]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I’d say in the context of ensemble films, you do with him, exactly what they did with him in the first Avengers movie. You have Bruce Banner do smart scientist guy stuff and you have Hulk smash a bunch of stuff because that’s all you can do when you can only commit 10 to 20 minutes to his background. It didn’t help that none of his supporting cast from the Incredible Hulk got to come along for the ride, unlike Cap or Iron Man. I mean, they finally brought Ross back in Civil War, but Hulk wasn’t even in that one. Since Abomination, he hasn’t had the benefit of any of his comic book villains appearing on screen either. For what it’s worth, I think Whedon did a good job with the character in the first Avengers movie. I would say not as good in the second movie-the stuff with Banner and Black Widow seemed contrived.
But that was still probably better than turning him into Professor Hulk, offscreen.

I wonder if people would be open to a film depicting the five year journey of Professor Hulk or a series of PH films spanning five years

 

[Rotfish]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Personally I can’t see a Asgard on Earth movie working out..maybe the Eternals movie planned will tie into this

I wonder if people would be open to a film depicting the five year journey of Professor Hulk or a series of PH films spanning five years

Yeah, I was thinking something more along the likes of Planet Hulk. Or some other story where he's able to speak normally but can also rage. Not that it's as relevant as comic material, but the Hulk is an articulate dude in some of the newer cartoons and he still smashes.

 

[Johnny1378]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I wonder if people would be open to a film depicting the five year journey of Professor Hulk or a series of PH films spanning five years

With the right creative team behind it, I’d still be open to it. Professor Hulk would probably never be my preferred version of the character, but a good movie is a good movie.