Avengers: Endgame

[a-dev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

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[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Wow that is some good freaking company right there. Closing in on Raiders.

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EG is no Raiders though..

Adjusted for inflation is bull****. There were less movies then, no internet, no streaming, endless content to watch, no cinematic video games, 24 hours sports, dvds, home theaters, piracy...etc. No wonder old movies made so much money. Tickets cost less, there was nothing else to watch, and if you missed it....gone...in the wind.

Well yes and no... I agree about all the competition but there are also way more theaters all showing the same movies.. Its much easier to go to the movies now because of all the additional theaters. There were no Multiplexes were one movie could play on 8 different screens at the same location. Sometimes you just had to wait to go see a movie unless you wanted to wait in line for an hour or two if the film was a big enough. No presale tickets back then.

It also wasn't the event that it seems to be today.. Ya gotta go see the newest movie if you wanna talk about it online or avoid spoilers.

And I know this may seem wild but people were actually doing other things back then like playing ball with their friends, socializing, getting laid etc..

Let me put it this way.. My kids go to way more movies then I ever did. Its just easier.

I would say the number one reason though is Home video sales.. Unless your Jye, why go to the movie 5 times to see the same movie when its going to be out on home video in 3 to 4 months.

Yeah. $2.8 billion with no cultural footprint whatsoever.

I'm guessing it'll stay at #1 as a permanent reminder that that film even exists, lol.

Yeah the three lasting reminders of Avatar since 2009 are:

1. Box office
2. 3D
3. Suicidal weirdos who wanted to be able to live on Pandora

Nothing about the story or characters or even the general quality of the visuals and special effects.

When I walked out of the theater I thought the 3D was amazing but the film itself was the definition of Meh.

3D helped that film on its way to success for sure

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I almost lol'd at my LCS today when I walked in the door and saw this TPB front and center. Here you go JAWS:
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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Let me put it this way.. My kids go to way more movies then I ever did. Its just easier.

They have more options...not just one big movie. Not just movies, Netflix, cable, streaming, internet, video games that are as cinematic as anything in theaters. There's just more content than ever.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Ignore that, jaws. Remember the good times.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Yep and I'll even go so far as to say that it's still a genuinely good movie that is watchable even today.

But with regard to pop cultural impact? Man, just nothing. Nothing at all.

If it had made $400 million domestic/$800 million globally then I think it would have a lot more respect. Then people could say yep Cameron delivers another solid flick. But to have made such staggering amounts of unprecedented profits with *no* lasting iconic characters, drama, or action sequences. It really taints it IMO and even invites certain amounts of ridicule.

Hmmm I would agree with this.. If it made more money people would not rip on it for being overrated.

Personally I think just about everything Cameron has done is overrated.. Even if I like it.

Other then Aliens (His best) and the original Terminator I think the rest of his films are good but not great. His movies look technically brilliant but lack any true style. Well accept for Aliens and T1.. I will through T2 in there also for a-dev.. (Bit I really don't think that )


But yeah.. The fact that nobody even seems to care that there are more Avatar movies on the way seems to show how little of a Cultural impact it has made.

I saw a video saying "come on people AEG has the benefit of 11 years of buildup, Avatar made all its money with just one film. Look at IM which started the MCU and didn't make a fraction of Avatar's earnings."

And to that I say well yeah except most non-comic readers had no idea who Iron Man was before 2008 and even though it didn't make as much as Avatar the names "Iron Man," "Tony Stark," "I am Iron Man," etc. were all instantly household names/phrases. Same with the various members of GotG becoming instant icons in 2014 and so on. Movies didn't used to need decades of sequels to become memorable and Marvel reminded everyone of that with just their first few films.​

There is truth to the fact that AEG is being rewarded for its 11 year buildup.. No question. 22 films / 11 years. Yep never been done. If it was just another Avengers Marvel film it would be huge but I don't think it would be this big.

Avatar had something on its side also.. That 3D which I am sure helped with its huge Box office numbers.. You had to see that film in 3D or you might as well not go. And it was revolutionary 3D so it defiantly had its own gimmick going for it.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Damn all this Avatar talk makes me want to put the 3D version back into my collection lol

Weird that Cameron never released the extended cut in 3D, right.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

So I was curious about Marvel's "big three." After googling the phrase, all the photos show, Cap, IM and Thor. There are threads dedicated to the subject too. The consensus seems to be that in the fictional Marvel main universe, Cap, IM, and Thor are the most popular and most respected heroes, hence why character's like Spidey looks up to Tony Stark and geeks out when he's around CA. However, in our universe, meaning real life, the big three prior to the MCU, were Spidey, Hulk and Wolverine, as far as mainstream popularity, comic book and merchandise sales. They were seen as A list characters, unlike the other 3 characters. However, now in 2019, after 10 years of the MCU, there's no question that IM, CA and Thor are A-list, mainstream characters. The same could be said about other MCU characters, such as Thanos, Black Panther...etc. Regardless, as far as the Avengers team goes in the fictional universe of comics and now the MCU, the "big three" are IM, Cap, and Thor. Sorry, Hulk.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

They have more options...not just one big movie. Not just movies, Netflix, cable, streaming, internet, video games that are as cinematic as anything in theaters. There's just more content than ever.

Oh I agree. But that is more of a last 10 years thing.. TV shows have taken it up a notch and are better then most movies.. So I agree for sure.

More content for sure. But I don't think that is preventing anyone from seeing the big movies that are out there. Its so easy to go and be back for any of that digital content you are talking about after the movie is over. You also wont miss a thing because you can stream it.. Plus people are more aware of big films because of all the media that is out there.. Someone who might not normally go to see EG in the theaters just might go now if they caught IW on Netflix.

I really don't think that BIG Name newly released films are being all that impacted by competition.. If that were true then Ticket sales to other things, like sporting events, would be impacted. Hell the NFL is bigger then Ever.

But that home release.. Oh boy.. That is what has the huge effect IMO.. Hell I have skipped on some movies because I know it will be out in three months to rent or just buy.

Not saying the other stuff doesn't.. I just think its more of a wash when you add in how much easier it is to go. You use to have to choose a 1:00 4:00 7:00 or 9:30 time to go at one theater that might be miles away... Not you can go every hour on the hour for big named movies at a variety of theaters.

I mean Endgame opened domestically on 46,000 screens. If you tried to find a ticket it was almost impossible.

The Empire Strikes back when it went on Wide release

824. You can see how ticket sales would not even be close. ​

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

CM even made 1B before Spiderman has!

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Ignore that, jaws. Remember the good times.

Yeah.. Hulk is so much better then all the other Avengers.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

So I was curious about Marvel's "big three." After googling the phrase, all the photos show, Cap, IM and Thor. There are threads dedicated to the subject too. The consensus seems to be that in the fictional Marvel main universe, Cap, IM, and Thor are the most popular and most respected heroes, hence why character's like Spidey looks up to Tony Stark and geeks out when he's around CA. However, in our universe, meaning real life, the big three prior to the MCU, were Spidey, Hulk and Wolverine, as far as mainstream popularity, comic book and merchandise sales. They were seen as A list characters, unlike the other 3 characters. However, now in 2019, after 10 years of the MCU, there's no question that IM, CA and Thor are A-list, mainstream characters. The same could be said about other MCU characters, such as Thanos, Black Panther...etc. Regardless, as far as the Avengers team goes in the fictional universe of comics and now the MCU, the "big three" are IM, Cap, and Thor. Sorry, Hulk.

Makes Sense. You get the movies you are gonna get the fame. ​

Damn you Universal

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

There is truth to the fact that AEG is being rewarded for its 11 year buildup.. No question. 22 films / 11 years. Yep never been done.

Oh yes of course. AEG's $350 million opening wasn't because the entire world was curious about who these unknown characters were in the trailer in white suits walking slo-mo across a warehouse, they came to see the follow-up to IW and the conclusion to the MCU as we knew it. I was simply countering the notion (perpetuated elsewhere, not here) that we shouldn't compare Avatar to AEG and should only compare it to IM since they were both the first films in their respective series. And to that I say IM still comes out ahead if you're talking about pop culture impact and iconography.

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

the big three prior to the MCU, were Spidey, Hulk and Wolverine, as far as mainstream popularity, comic book and merchandise sales.

Yep which is why we saw big budget live-action films of X-Men, Spider-Man, and Hulk prior to any of the Avengers. Even the FF got it's own mainstream Hollywood flick before Iron Man, Thor, and Cap.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Oh yes of course. AEG's $350 million opening wasn't because the entire world was curious about who these unknown characters were in the trailer in white suits walking slo-mo across a warehouse, they came to see the follow-up to IW and the conclusion to the MCU as we knew it. I was simply countering the notion (perpetuated elsewhere, not here) that we shouldn't compare Avatar to AEG and should only compare it to IM since they were both the first films in their respective series. And to that I say IM still comes out ahead if you're talking about pop culture impact and iconography.

Ah. Gotcha.. For sure.. Back in the day people on Comingsoon.net boards people use to say that Avatar was bigger then Star Wars on a cultural level.. Which I would argue about just how nuts that statement was..

Yes Avatar was big in the theaters but when you got out of the theater its cultural impact stopped.

I am not sure its even fair to compare IM though as he had a place in pop culture before the film ever came out. He may not have been the most popular hero but I would say most knew of Iron Man even if they did not know who Iron man was as a character. He already had comics, t shirts, cartoons, and action figures well before the film came out.. I would say I was one of them.. Even though I read comics and knew of Iron man.. I could never tell you who was in the suit before the movie.

The movie and RDJ took it too a cultural phenom though.. That's for sure.


Seriously does anyone even care about Avatar anymore?

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Well I didn’t make it to my 5th viewing this weekend life got in the way.

I’m just happy that my 4th viewing confirmed for me that on home viewings I will not be skipping act 1 or 2 in a rush to watch act 3.

My son asked to go see that Pokemon crap, hell no!

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

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The movie and RDJ took it too a cultural phenom though.. That's for sure.

I only knew there was a character I'd seen on comic book covers and t-shirts called Iron Man. I barely knew what he was, never mind whom. RDJ is a phenomenon. I don't think anyone else could have done it. With that said, I was relatively slow to get on the MCU train. I didn't see most of Phase 1 in theatres.

Seriously does anyone even care about Avatar anymore?

LOL...I never did.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Makes Sense. You get the movies you are gonna get the fame. ​

Damn you Universal

Hulk is still and will always be an A-list character. He stood the test of time, bad shows, bad movies, bad cgi, and recasting. He still as popular as ever. I do wonder if IM and Cap's relatively new found popularity will last past the MCU, RDJ and Chris Evans, or is their popularity attached to the actors playing the roles and the MCU? At some point someone else will play those roles, but maybe by then it won't matter. Then again, they might never recast Evans in our life time, since he's so young. My guess, IM, Thor and Cap will remain popular one way or another. Disney will keep them popular. Disney might keep Hulk on the sideline as much as they can until they get him back though 100%. If and when they do, I see them giving Hulk a big push. They're not afraid to take a short term loss. They completely black listed Wolverine and the X Men for years in every way possible or as much as they could anyways. They can't go that far with Hulk because he's too popular.

My son asked to go see that Pokemon crap, hell no!

I hope you punished him.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I only knew there was a character I'd seen on comic book covers and t-shirts called Iron Man. I barely knew what he was, never mind whom. RDJ is a phenomenon. I don't think anyone else could have done it. With that said, I was relatively slow to get on the MCU train. I didn't see most of Phase 1 in theatres.

This was the Iron Man I knew growing up. Needless to say, I was not a fan.



The intro is actually pretty cool and the theme uses the "I am Iron Man" line, but I just saw him as a Batman ripoff. The mullet and thin mustache didn't help either.