Avengers: Endgame

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Or maybe simply having kids with a woman who would have been otherwise childless is *not* enough to create an alternate reality and that alternate realities are only created when the Stones are directly involved (like removing them from that reality entirely.) Fun stuff to ponder.

You could argue that the "flow of time" is a powerful torrent. If you throw a tiny pebble into the torrent (such as having babies with Peggy) there are ripples but they don't get far enough to affect things on a macro scale, and the torrent continues without *significant* changes.

But Infinity Stones being massive boulders, would *divert* the torrent, hence needing to put them back at their point of origin to prevent branching.

#sonerdy

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

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I’d be mad to if I finally was bout to get laid and got frozen. Guess he didn’t resonate with the girls of 2010s

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I'm in a similar boat as you two. I'm a huge MCU fan, and that fandom has only been growing over the years, but I've been a Star Wars fan for my entire life.

Different types of fandom can certainly co-exist, but Star Wars is firmly rooted in my childhood in a way that the modern MCU is not.

Characters in the MCU are colourful, more relatable and come with a snarky sense of humour with references to everyday life.

Star Wars is great but kinda one-note in comparison. I'll always love the OT era but feel I've otherwise outgrown it and don't relate to it the same way as I can relate to RDJ's Iron Man being snarky, wearing nice suits and drinking Old-Fashioneds.

 

[Neal136]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Back to an earlier topic of discussion ..... it seems that Kevin Feige also agrees that Cap was always worthy of wielding Mjolnir:

"We think he was always worthy and was being polite in Age of Ultron."

Here are some more of Lord Feige's thoughts on the MCU:

20 Huge Marvel Cinematic Universe Reveals From Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige During His Reddit AMA

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

You could argue that the "flow of time" is a powerful torrent. If you throw a tiny pebble into the torrent (such as having babies with Peggy) there are ripples but they don't get far enough to affect things on a macro scale, and the torrent continues without *significant* changes.

But Infinity Stones being massive boulders, would *divert* the torrent, hence needing to put them back at their point of origin to prevent branching.

#sonerdy

Yep but #sofun nevertheless, lol.

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Selma Hayek’s only equal.

Friends of mine worked on a film with Hayek years ago -- apparently, she wasn't very nice or well-liked on set.

Other celebrities I've met or who've had close contact with friends in the industry, have been super chill and great people, but Hayek and Ron Perlman not so much.

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Yep but #sofun nevertheless, lol.

Truth!

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Friends of mine worked on a film with Hayek years ago -- apparently, she wasn't very nice or well-liked on set.

Other celebrities I've met or who've had close contact with friends in the industry, have been super chill and great people, but Hayek and Ron Perlman not so much.

Who cares about that I was talking about their cleavage

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

You could argue that the "flow of time" is a powerful torrent. If you throw a tiny pebble into the torrent (such as having babies with Peggy) there are ripples but they don't get far enough to affect things on a macro scale, and the torrent continues without *significant* changes.

But Infinity Stones being massive boulders, would *divert* the torrent, hence needing to put them back at their point of origin to prevent branching.

#sonerdy

Good stuff

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

You missed my posts in 447.

Or you didn’t and you just didn’t like it lol

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Cap facing Thanos, the marching legions, spider tanks, flying Leviathans, etc., all by himself literally had me thinking "so here it is, the big death that the MCU has been building to is finally here," [...]

Yeah, looking back on it I was starting to think he was done.

Which scene implied Clint and Natasha were romantic with each other? I took away that they were really good friends, but nothing else really.

That Sacrifice only requires love, not romantic love. Hence Gamora and Natasha -- they were both loved.

The hulk/widow romance did drop off, but honestly I think that's for the best. That whole thing kinda came out of nowhere with AOU. Which as a film didn't really do great things for her character in general.
[...]

Agreed on outta nowhere. It was a very Whedon move, actually. But A LOT happened since AoU -- heck, Banner/Hulk ghosted on her OFF-PLANET style! I'd say they were done.

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Who cares about that I was talking about their cleavage

LOLOLOL -- okay fair.

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Oops okay found them, lol.

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[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

The death scene. The whole point of the soul stone was to sacrifice the one you loved most.
Clint was married , so how can BW be the one he loved most?

Unless the implied is the “one left alive” you love most?

And BW was suppose to be in love with Banner? Unless that was a BW ruse to control him....

I do think that in IW Red Skull told Thanos he had to sacrifice what he loved most but in AEG he said they must simply sacrifice "that which they love." Maybe Hawkeye could have simply tossed his bow off the ledge, lol.

I kid because the Skull did elaborate to say that the Stone would be available "for one of you" which does imply that a literal death is required. But even if you go with the IW verbiage of losing that which you love the "most" well since HE's family was gone then BW would indeed be the living person he loved the most even if as a friend and/or sister. The sacrifice doesn't require romantic love as we saw with Thanos/Gamora.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I think it's like Terminator, it doesn't break the rules in my mind if the MCU as we know it was always an alternate timeline in the first place. At least after the events of TFA and going forward. For Terminator we assume that there was an "original timeline" John Connor who then got erased when Reese impregnated Sarah. We never saw her life in the original timeline after 1984 and everything going forward was a circle with Reese creating John and then John sending his dad back in time.

But in the MCU we can speculate (just for the fun of it, nothing more) that Peggy was married to her work and never loved anyone after Steve before dying old and alone. Her as a 50 year old in 1970 with a picture of Steve on her desk even supports this. So Steve goes back in time, marries her, changes the first timeline where she never had kids and then creates his own kids that his future self later sees in the new timeline which is the timeline the entire MCU takes place in going forward.

Or maybe simply having kids with a woman who would have been otherwise childless is *not* enough to create an alternate reality and that alternate realities are only created when the Stones are directly involved (like removing them from that reality entirely.) Fun stuff to ponder.

That latter suggestion wouldn't jibe with chaos theory

complex systems whose behaviour is highly sensitive to slight changes in conditions, so that small alterations can give rise to strikingly great consequences

Kids that didn't previously exist would register more than 'slight' I expect.

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Kids that didn't previously exist would register more than 'slight' I expect.

Not if Steve and Peggy kept them locked in a basement for decades.

In all seriousness though since Grandmaster Goldlbum himself didn't show up and spell that all out for the audience then I don't think we need to apply JP rules to the MCU.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)



I mean at the end of the day it's a movie that features time travel so I'm sure there are tons of rules that they broke, probably quite a few that we haven't even mentioned. As long as it's not too egregious I just go with it like I do for BTTF and Terminator so I'm fine with either take on Cap and Peggy (alternate timeline vs. her kids were always his).

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I mean at the end of the day it's a movie that features time travel so I'm sure there are tons of rules that they broke, probably quite a few that we haven't even mentioned. But I'm always forgiving when it comes to movie time travel.

Time travel issues is a great trade off for having bad ass scenes.

Sold, I’ll take it!