Captain America Civil War: Figure Discussion

[Desamo]

I have 3 members of Team Iron Man on PO. I dont know if I get War Machine but that would be so awesome to have all five Team IM figures .

 

[SilverStar17]

Ok, so I just finished watching the film for the first time today. I will be seeing it again on Saturday. Here are my thoughts:

Spoiler

I have so many mixed thoughts with this I'm not sure where to begin, so I'll try and articulate them as best as I can. First off, I can say that I was very impressed with this film. I won't get excited and say it's my favorite Marvel film thus far, but it's definitely in the top three and it definitely is the one that evokes the most emotion out of you and contains the most layers to it. They weren't lying when they said this film would play out like an emotional horror story. It felt just like a direct sequel to both TWS and AoU. I feel those are the only two films you'd really need to see in order to understand the plot behind this film.

The first part, I really couldn't wait to see Tony get his beat down at the end. I really couldn't. It angered me so much that he wanted to keep the Avengers in check because of his guilty conscience over what happened in Sokovia after he created Ultron. Now, here he was on his high horse, acting like he was the "good" guy, calling government oversight "safety". The same guy that said regarding Ultron, "You don't get why we need this," thinking that was going to be "safety". Yeah? How'd that turn out, buddy? Now because you screwed up, you're holding everyone responsible and claiming that we're "reckless" when we were really cleaning up your mess. I got the sense that deep down, he knew that the real person who needed to be kept in check was himself, not the Avengers. He's the one that needed a set of rules and laws to follow otherwise he would let his ego run rampant.

As the film progressed, you started questioning whether Captain America was "right" in trying to protect Bucky. He (TWS) was indeed a criminal, so should he in fact be taken in and held accountable for these crimes? However, it still made you think because we all know that even though Bucky is TWS, TWS isn't "Bucky".

Finally in the end, I really did feel for Tony. I could understand his indignation. However, I still think he was failing to see the bigger picture. Who was really ultimately responsible for his parents' death? Bucky, or Hydra? Personally, I feel it's the latter. Just because someone directly did something, to me it doesn't always necessarily mean that the direct source is the one who is ultimately responsible and was calling the shots.

The one who I came out feeling sorry for the most? Captain America. I really felt like he was put in between a rock and a hard place in this film. Both Bucky and Tony are his friends, and I really felt like he was trying to do what he thought was right to protect both of his friends. Unfortunately, one of his friends despises his other friend. Whether you agreed with his side or not, I felt that he was really the only person you knew you could trust in this film and know that he wouldn't double cross you. I didn't trust the Secretary of State. I didn't trust Zemo (obviously), I didn't even trust Tony.

At the end, I don't feel Captain America nor Iron Man won. When Tony was chastising Cap to leave his shield because he didn't deserve it and that his father made that shield, I felt that both Captain America and Iron Man should have been ashamed of themselves and didn't deserve either of their mantles, simply because they allowed themselves to be played by a larger force. However, I felt Captain America saw the bigger picture clearer than what Tony did even though I can completely understand Tony's anger at the moment. I felt he was essentially just seeing red at the end, and many of his decisions in this film were based off of knee jerk reactions.

The message that I gleaned from this film was that despite two parties' differing ideas and beliefs, perhaps you're all merely puppets and having your strings pulled by a bigger entity that has their own agenda and getting you to act, behave and believe in the way that they want you to.

After seeing it, the figures I would say that are essential to this film in my opinion are Captain America (regular version), Bucky, Mk 46, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Falcon and Black Panther. Maybe Vision and a Sharon Carter, if they make her. I personally don't feel they will make a Zemo, even though he had a large part.

The others I personally think are easy passes.

Can't wait to see it again Saturday.

 

[Sidewinder]

Ok, so I just finished watching the film for the first time today. I will be seeing it again on Saturday. Here are my thoughts:

Spoiler

I have so many mixed thoughts with this I'm not sure where to begin, so I'll try and articulate them as best as I can. First off, I can say that I was very impressed with this film. I won't get excited and say it's my favorite Marvel film thus far, but it's definitely in the top three and it definitely is the one that evokes the most emotion out of you and contains the most layers to it. They weren't lying when they said this film would play out like an emotional horror story. It felt just like a direct sequel to both TWS and AoU. I feel those are the only two films you'd really need to see in order to understand the plot behind this film.

The first part, I really couldn't wait to see Tony get his beat down at the end. I really couldn't. It angered me so much that he wanted to keep the Avengers in check because of his guilty conscience over what happened in Sokovia after he created Ultron. Now, here he was on his high horse, acting like he was the "good" guy, calling government oversight "safety". The same guy that said regarding Ultron, "You don't get why we need this," thinking that was going to be "safety". Yeah? How'd that turn out, buddy? Now because you screwed up, you're holding everyone responsible and claiming that we're "reckless" when we were really cleaning up your mess. I got the sense that deep down, he knew that the real person who needed to be kept in check was himself, not the Avengers. He's the one that needed a set of rules and laws to follow otherwise he would let his ego run rampant.

As the film progressed, you started questioning whether Captain America was "right" in trying to protect Bucky. He (TWS) was indeed a criminal, so should he in fact be taken in and held accountable for these crimes? However, it still made you think because we all know that even though Bucky is TWS, TWS isn't "Bucky".

Finally in the end, I really did feel for Tony. I could understand his indignation. However, I still think he was failing to see the bigger picture. Who was really ultimately responsible for his parents' death? Bucky, or Hydra? Personally, I feel it's the latter. Just because someone directly did something, to me it doesn't always necessarily mean that the direct source is the one who is ultimately responsible and was calling the shots.

The one who I came out feeling sorry for the most? Captain America. I really felt like he was put in between a rock and a hard place in this film. Both Bucky and Tony are his friends, and I really felt like he was trying to do what he thought was right to protect both of his friends. Unfortunately, one of his friends despises his other friend. Whether you agreed with his side or not, I felt that he was really the only person you knew you could trust in this film and know that he wouldn't double cross you. I didn't trust the Secretary of State. I didn't trust Zemo (obviously), I didn't even trust Tony.

At the end, I don't feel Captain America nor Iron Man won. When Tony was chastising Cap to leave his shield because he didn't deserve it and that his father made that shield, I felt that both Captain America and Iron Man should have been ashamed of themselves and didn't deserve either of their mantles, simply because they allowed themselves to be played by a larger force. However, I felt Captain America saw the bigger picture clearer than what Tony did even though I can completely understand Tony's anger at the moment. I felt he was essentially just seeing red at the end, and many of his decisions in this film were based off of knee jerk reactions.

The message that I gleaned from this film was that despite two parties' differing ideas and beliefs, perhaps you're all merely puppets and having your strings pulled by a bigger entity that has their own agenda and getting you to act, behave and believe in the way that they want you to.

After seeing it, the figures I would say that are essential to this film in my opinion are Captain America (regular version), Bucky, Mk 46, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Falcon and Black Panther. Maybe Vision and a Sharon Carter, if they make her. I personally don't feel they will make a Zemo, even though he had a large part.

The others I personally think are easy passes.

Can't wait to see it again Saturday.

Spoiler

I was team Cap all the way really and in the end who did Tony have? An injured War Machine and Vision. Black Widow ended up letting Cap go, Black Panther gave refuge to Cap and Bucky and Sam, Wanda, Clint and Scott had been locked up for helping Bucky escape....and in the end Bucky had been set up and wasn't responsible for the UN bombing anyway. I felt bad that Tony discovered his parents had been murdered by Bucky, but it wasn't like Bucky had wanted to do it, he had no control over what he was doing. Tony really caused a lot of damage with the Avengers....not to mention he drags a kid into the battle in Spider-Man, I mean what was he thinking there?

 

[Darkseed]

Man...I want Bucky but not feeling either HT TWS nor CW versions

 

[kiwiatlarge]

I thought it was kinda ironic that

Spoiler

The whole movie was set up by the destruction the Avengers and SHIELD had caused during Avengers, The Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron... (interesting in the footage they never mentioned Hulk vs Hulkbuster), and yet what did they do in the airport? cause mass destruction! Considering half of them are H2H fighters and not reliant on weaponry or super powers, and the ones that are could have more friendly fight tactics in their arsenal, they seem to cause a lot of mayhem. Imagine if they were actually trying to kill one-another!

And on that... seriously Vision? for a peace keeper who largely kept out of the fight... Considering you hit the wrong guy, a guy who (suspending belief) has the law of Iron Man physics applied to his suit when it hits the ground at mass speed, what were you expecting to happen if you hit Falcon instead? A guy with even less protection than War Machine..

Did love the fight and the banter during it though...

 

[e30ernest]

I thought it was kinda ironic that

Spoiler

The whole movie was set up by the destruction the Avengers and SHIELD had caused during Avengers, The Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron... (interesting in the footage they never mentioned Hulk vs Hulkbuster), and yet what did they do in the airport? cause mass destruction! Considering half of them are H2H fighters and not reliant on weaponry or super powers, and the ones that are could have more friendly fight tactics in their arsenal, they seem to cause a lot of mayhem. Imagine if they were actually trying to kill one-another!

And on that... seriously Vision? for a peace keeper who largely kept out of the fight... Considering you hit the wrong guy, a guy who (suspending belief) has the law of Iron Man physics applied to his suit when it hits the ground at mass speed, what were you expecting to happen if you hit Falcon instead? A guy with even less protection than War Machine..

Did love the fight and the banter during it though...

Spoiler

Vision was aiming for Falcon's engines. Since Falcon had wings, he could either "dead stick" a landing (which was exactly what Rhodey said when he requested fire support from Vision) or deploy his emergency chute, which we (and maybe everyone in the Avengers) knew he had.

In fairness to the IM physics, Rhodey did survive, but he did not survive unscathed. In the real world, he would have been dead falling at that height.

 

[kiwiatlarge]

Spoiler

Vision was aiming for Falcon's engines. Since Falcon had wings, he could either "dead stick" a landing (which was exactly what Rhodey said when he requested fire support from Vision) or deploy his emergency chute, which we (and maybe everyone in the Avengers) knew he had.

In fairness to the IM physics, Rhodey did survive, but he did not survive unscathed. In the real world, he would have been dead falling at that height.

Spoiler

Fair point. I'll keep a listen out when I watch it next. Considering Vision has the power of flight (presumably with a decent level of speed) I'd have thought airborne would have been a better route to resolve the situation.

Speaking of Falcon. He actually had a pretty good showing in this film. Considering he was looking beat vs Brock in the last one, he seemed to hold his own in this one... plus his suit seemed to have a decent upgrade too

 

[e30ernest]

Spoiler

Fair point. I'll keep a listen out when I watch it next. Considering Vision has the power of flight (presumably with a decent level of speed) I'd have thought airborne would have been a better route to resolve the situation.

Speaking of Falcon. He actually had a pretty good showing in this film. Considering he was looking beat vs Brock in the last one, he seemed to hold his own in this one... plus his suit seemed to have a decent upgrade too

Spoiler

Yeah I missed it on the first watch too. On the second watch, Rhodey explicitly tells Vision to shoot at Falcon's engines to force a dead-stick landing. That's why the camera zooms at Falcon's engines just before Vision fires.

Yeah Falcon was well represented in this film. Actually, I thought all of the heroes were presented well. I'd say they were presented better than any of the Avengers films.

 

[xmentoysplease]

I have 3 members of Team Iron Man on PO. I dont know if I get War Machine but that would be so awesome to have all five Team IM figures .

Hey it says you ordered WM today was it not sold out?

 

[SilverStar17]

Spoiler

I was team Cap all the way really and in the end who did Tony have? An injured War Machine and Vision. Black Widow ended up letting Cap go, Black Panther gave refuge to Cap and Bucky and Sam, Wanda, Clint and Scott had been locked up for helping Bucky escape....and in the end Bucky had been set up and wasn't responsible for the UN bombing anyway. I felt bad that Tony discovered his parents had been murdered by Bucky, but it wasn't like Bucky had wanted to do it, he had no control over what he was doing. Tony really caused a lot of damage with the Avengers....not to mention he drags a kid into the battle in Spider-Man, I mean what was he thinking there?

Spoiler

Agreed.

There were times where I really felt Tony was losing it. The scene when the two teams first met on the tarmac at the airport and Tony was talking to Cap with his helmet off specifically. I don't recall what he said he exactly, but I recall with the way he was talking and the way he was frantically saying what he was saying, it was almost like listen to yourself, dude. You're losing it.

 

[Mike86]

Surprised that there wasn't a reveal tonight. I'm curious who's next.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Hopefully Spider-Kid.

Just in case it hasn't been posted yet, from the Pop Up Store.

 

[Desamo]

Hey it says you ordered WM today was it not sold out?

I PO last one . Someone cancelled his/her order.

 

[Darkseed]

Surprised that there wasn't a reveal tonight. I'm curious who's next.

Stooperman was released.....i don't recall a release and unveiling the same night

 

[third3ye]

After seeing the film, these the figures I would consider - Black Panther, Spider-Man, and Ant-Man. All of them were awesome, with the latter two having great humorous moments. I'm still going to pass on the CW line mainly because BP doesn't have an unmasked HS, I doubt Spidey will have one either, and I'd rather wait for the Ant-Man sequel to pick up both Ant-Man and Wasp plus not a fan of the CW Rudd HS. Since basically all 3 of these guys have solo films coming in the next couple years, I don't mind waiting for their next versions with more accessories and HS.

 

[hbhf]

Released in July. Pre-sale is open now.

 

[jordanimal]

that spider-man pop is going on my desk at work!!


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[kurisuchie2kimi]

Released in July. Pre-sale is open now.

HAWKEYE love

 

[third3ye]

Interview with the costume designer:
https://tyrannyofstyle.com/costume-design-captain-america-civil-war

And she says they have a practical costume of Spidey, so that answers that question.

 

[Magic Chaser]

Interview with the costume designer:
https://tyrannyofstyle.com/costume-design-captain-america-civil-war

And she says they have a practical costume of Spidey, so that answers that question.

So they had a costume that didn't fit Holland because, at the time, they didn't know who was getting casted. I'm guessing the Spider-Man we saw on screen was in fact a physical suit enhanced by CGI to make it look like Holland is in the suit