Darth Tyrannus VS Mace Windu

[Outer_Rim]

Thanks pixletwin.

 

[Darthrazz]

If I may chime in....I always saw it as Palpatine being defeated by Mace. I think after the first round of Lightning he was truly exhausted. I thought the fact that he suddenly had unlimited power was because he fed off Anakin's anger at that moment.


I always saw the Emperor as being "fueled" by Anakin's or even Luke's anger later on. Specifically the scenes where he says "The force is STRONG with you" or to Luke "I can feel your anger" it was almost orgasmic for him. Anyway those are my two cents!

 

[DarkArtist81]

read the book "Shatterpoint" you'll have a new respect for Mace Windu's abilities. also, mace would win in a real fight. his fighting style wouldn't allow dooku to use lightning very much.

That would be my vote as well... After reading Shatterpoint... I haven't wavered from my belief that Mace was a badass Mo-Fo....

He was blindsided by his own rage at the end of his fight with Sidious. He lost touch with the Light and that is why he failed to realize the situation he was in... until it was too late.

If he hadn't been so frustrated by that point in the story, he would have made it out of that situation. He couldn't take Palpatine, wouldn't win by a long shot... but maybe he could have escaped with his life. And as Pix said, only Anakin could defeat Palpatine. He was the chosen one, and to fulfill his destiny... he would have to take out both sides.... as terrible as that is.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

as much as i think of mace as one bad mofo...i have to go with tyrannus. because with anakin killing him, not only does it show how much anakin improved, but also shows just how powerful he is.

so, my vote is DT.

 

[Booyah!]

Tyrannus is a Master of the "Form 2" lightsaber technique. Which is saber on saber fighting. No one should actually be able to defeat him, not even Sidious.

The only reason Anakin won was because Sidious and Tyrannus were trying to purposely tap into his anger and turn him. Tyrannus was suppose to push Anakin into the dark side and then Sidious was going to step in and stop the fight. Tyrannus didnt know that Sidious planned all along to let Anakin kill Tyrannus, hence the suprised look on his face.

Oh, and Sidious let Mace think he had the upper hand during their fight.

 

[DarthNeil]

Oh, and Sidious let Mace think he had the upper hand during their fight.

BOOYAH! Both for the name and the assist--- and thanks pix for keeping the colours flying high.

Deception is the cornerstone for the sith:emperor oops I'm a frail old man--- you've got me Shaft. I don't think so. If Mace truly had Palpatine done then he would've been "the chosen one".

And I go back to my original statement--- the only thing that could defeat Palpatine was--- a father's love (sigh)

 

[Anzik]

Well for my 2 cent I have to offer up a different perspective. I've read the novelizations that said the Yoda/Dooku fight in AOTC was extremely one sided, with Yoda toying with him but on screen it was more even.
The novelization of the Sidious/Mace fight had Sidious playing Mace.

Now my point of view is a bit different. For over more than 20 years now I've been involved in martial arts and just because fighter A beat fighter B, fighter B beat fighter C doesn't mean that fighter A can beat fighter C. Plus Luke was correct about the emporers weakness being his overconfidence. I'm sure Sidious felt like he could dispose of Mace as easily as the other three, but the first rule of fighting is that you don't kick a kicker, punch a puncher or grapple a grappler. Mace's strength was the lightsaber, Sidious' was the force lightning. I think saber to saber Mace had the upper hand, force skill on force skill Sidious had it hands down.
Sidious was also extremely cunning and knew how to turn a bad situation to his advantage. When he couldn't physically beat Mace he played Anakin.

 

[Booyah!]

BOOYAH! Both for the name and the assist---

 

[Booyah!]

Well for my 2 cent I have to offer up a different perspective. I've read the novelizations that said the Yoda/Dooku fight in AOTC was extremely one sided, with Yoda toying with him but on screen it was more even.
The novelization of the Sidious/Mace fight had Sidious playing Mace.

Now my point of view is a bit different. For over more than 20 years now I've been involved in martial arts and just because fighter A beat fighter B, fighter B beat fighter C doesn't mean that fighter A can beat fighter C. Plus Luke was correct about the emporers weakness being his overconfidence. I'm sure Sidious felt like he could dispose of Mace as easily as the other three, but the first rule of fighting is that you don't kick a kicker, punch a puncher or grapple a grappler. Mace's strength was the lightsaber, Sidious' was the force lightning. I think saber to saber Mace had the upper hand, force skill on force skill Sidious had it hands down.
Sidious was also extremely cunning and knew how to turn a bad situation to his advantage. When he couldn't physically beat Mace he played Anakin.

Valid points, I think it was Chuck Norris that said anyone can beat anyone on any given day. Who did you vote for between Mace and Tyrannus?

 

[Anzik]

I went for Mace.

Because Dooku was the consumate master of dueling, it was easy for him to best Obi Wan who was also a "by the book" kind of fighter. Mace's style (in concept if not captured in the film by Sam's less than amazing technique) was more unconventional and less predictable which i think is what was his undoing against Anakin.

 

[Prime Clone]

So Palpatine killed three Jedi, but decided to keep Mace alive for awhile on the off-chance he could entrap Anakin? Was he really looking that far ahead? Or was it just that Mace wasn't as easy to take out as the others?

Could Palpatine have been subconsciously "calling" Anakin to his aid via the Force?

 

[Outer_Rim]

So Palpatine killed three Jedi, but decided to keep Mace alive for awhile on the off-chance he could entrap Anakin? Was he really looking that far ahead? Or was it just that Mace wasn't as easy to take out as the others?

Could Palpatine have been subconsciously "calling" Anakin to his aid via the Force?

Anakin is Palpatine´s Plan B. He is his alternative plan just in case something goes wrong. Palpy call Anakin via the Force to make sure he is there after or during the duel.

Palpatine is so arrogant that he thought he could beat down the Jedi group easily but Mace and Palpy are equals in lightsaber combat. Mace disarmed Palpy fair and square taking advantage of Palpy´s arrogance. So yes, Mace was winning here but Palpatine struck back. The Sith flew in range and unleashed a torrent of force lightning without think twice, that will not happen in the Yoda duel in which he shoot lightning straight to Yoda´s saber hilt with one hand first, and when Yoda is disarmed, he shoot to the body with both hands. Mace blocked the lightning and then Palpatine realized that it was Anakin time. He could have kept on shooting lightning to try to overpower Mace just like he will do with Yoda, because he wasn´t weak or exhausted at all. If he can force Anakin hand he will kill two birds with one stone. As I said before, he fooled Anakin and Mace.

To me the Palpy-Mace duel can be summed up in the following Gillard´s sentence: "Sidious is the master of every weapon and style. You are a fool if you think you can defeat him." Mace and Yoda can compete with him but only Anakin can defeat him.

 

[pixletwin]

To me the Palpy-Mace duel can be summed up in the following Gillard´s sentence: "Sidious is the master of every weapon and style. You are a fool if you think you can defeat him." Mace and Yoda can compete with him but only Anakin can defeat him.

Yo. Totally yo. There you have it folks. From George Lucas and the PT fight choreographer.