David Ayer's Academy Award winning "Suicide Squad"

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Jye do you agree with my original assessment that SS is better than both Avengers films?

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

New scores. How many times you've seen the flick Zach? I'll add that in there if it's changed.

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I've seen it twice! 3 times this weekend

 

[BetterThanKenobi83]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

What the heck did I just walk into ?

 

[pturtle]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

What the heck did I just walk into ?

Are you talking about the movie or this thread?


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[BlueberryJerry]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Fixed

 

[jye4ever]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Jye do you agree with my original assessment that SS is better than both Avengers films?

Please don't do this to me.

I'm gonna need a minute or two alone, boys.

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Please don't do this to me.

I'm gonna need a minute or two alone, boys.

For me it's Cap trilogy, Batman Begins, Suicide Squad, then all the rest.

 

[BetterThanKenobi83]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Are you talking about the movie or this thread?


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Maybe will be both Gonna finally go see the movie this weekend.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

ty templeton has his say ,looks like this guy wont be working foe dc anytime soon

That actually sums it up pretty well, as it relates to my perspective on this one. Joker wasn't funny, but he typically isn't in the conics. Nicholson made him way funnier than he should have been

It's a LOT more complex than that.
Director's are indeed doing a "job", but like any artist (not factory worker) you will be judged by the creative integrity of final product and that in the long term can drastically effect the rest of your career. It's money clashing with art. Film reviewers think they are art reviewers, studios think they are a business (with sprinklings of artist integrity, but only if it's financially sound).
It's whether you can pay your tax bills in 5 years time. Not some "hobby" as you mentioned. It's the real world kid. So watching from the shadows while a studio potentially destroys your artistic vision is a dangerous thing. Because in several months time you will be asked to go and sell whatever piece of **** THEY have created. Those sneaky committee cutting fingers disappear into the woodwork and you are left to take the rap. It's your vision, except it's not. very dangerous not just on this movie, but on your next project your career. Thats a very careful line to walk, play good dog with the studios or try to protect your own invested interests. There is no right and wrong move in a situation like this as it is just that, very situational. What Trank did was stupid, he wasn't in a position to act like a petulant spoilt brat, and he came across as just that. But if he had played ball with the studio the movie would have still tanked and he would have been labelled as a hack. It's lose lose. And before you start talking about the amount of money directors get paid and that it's a city baby response, it's not.
Sure you get paid a **** load of money on a project, but you may not work again for a couple of years on a feature and if your project flops and is destroyed by a studio, you take the rap financially. Directors for the most part are studio scape goats in this day and age. Unless you hit a certain level, but even JJ had holy war with Disney behind the scenes on SW.

Anyway my point being, your analogy to doing a job is not accurate. Just like musicians fight with record labels it's about artist product being misrepresented to the public and the LONGTERM ramifications of that. Play ball take the cash and have a short ****** career or fight the system, speak publicly and risk being blacklisted by the studio. Generally going against the studio is slow motion suicide.

Ayer made his decision and he got lucky, the movie has made $$$$$$. But if it had not the studios would have blamed him, the movie was critically panned and his name dragged professionally through the mud. That **** does matter in the real world because it's as real as getting fired from a job, in front of 100 million people, getting the next job is not so easy.

It's a gamble pure and simple, it worked for Ayer, lets see how Gareth Edwards gets on.. it may not be so rosy.
Or Snyder's JL. Big box office? doesn't matter about who did what, perceivable flop.. blame the director.

Ass-biscuits served two ways.

I think you're largely right here, but I don't agree that a director puts themselves in such a negative position when a movie fails due in large measure to studio interference. Because I think outside observers are savvy enough to know when this happens, and to infer the truth even when the director says otherwise. And certainly, other studios, or particularly the same studio, are going to know more about the real ins and outs than any of us, because it's their job to know these things. They all play the game, can tell the hallmarks of interference, can discuss it with others who make decisions and are in the know, and act accordingly. It's like Israel claiming they don't have a nuclear arsenal. They can say it all day, but everyone who pays attention and has an interest knows the real truth. Particularly national leaders. And of course, that affects what other states do.

But if you bring bad publicity to the studio and don't play ball? Unless you either don't care at all about having steady work and big paychecks, or have developed enough credibility as an artist and money maker in some domain that you can get away with it (say, the Coen Brothers, Nolan, or David Fincher), then you keep your mouth shut and take whatever criticism comes your way from the public.

 

[spindrift]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

SS better than MOST Marvel movies..duuhhhhh

 

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Coherent and well edited movies are over-rated, anyway.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

For me it's Cap trilogy, Batman Begins, Suicide Squad, then all the rest.

Ok, it wasn't as painful a thought process as I was expecting, going to the dentist is still worst.

OK here goes, while Avengers follows that same peaks and valley I applied towards BvS for me it simply can't be touched because it is as iconic a moment in cinematic superhero history as STM and Batman 89 were.


But since AOU is not protected with that iconic status, I think SS is a better overall movie than AOU.


I meant it when I said that SS is a solid movie with no valleys.


This was a studio interference that worked as far as i'm concerned, and i'll say it again, it is NOT interference when they own the damn property!


If I hire a nanny to babysit my kid I can still step in and do as I please!

OK fine not an exact comparison but you get the idea.

TWS/CW are 2 other movies with no valleys but their peaks are higher in the action department while SS is higher in the emotional department, so they're tied.

BB/TDK don't dip into deep valley territory, more like very shallow valleys.

BB shallow valley is the 3rd act.
TDK shallow valley is lack of action and Dent's turn.

But TDK has a huge peak with Ledger's Joker.

Whew, that was exhausting.

 

[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Fixed

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Can you add my 1 on there? Just squeeze me in on one of the corners in small!

 

[jye4ever]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

 

[Asta]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Coherent and well edited movies are over-rated, anyway.

 

[BlueberryJerry]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Can you add my 1 on there? Just squeeze me in on one of the corners in small!

Here you go.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Coherent and well edited movies are over-rated, anyway.

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Ok, it wasn't as painful a thought process as I was expecting, going to the dentist is still worst.

OK here goes, while Avengers follows that same peaks and valley I applied towards BvS for me it simply can't be touched because it is as iconic a moment in cinematic superhero history as STM and Batman 89 were.


But since AOU is not protected with that iconic status, I think SS is a better overall movie than AOU.


I meant it when I said that SS is a solid movie with no valleys.


This was a studio interference that worked as far as i'm concerned, and i'll say it again, it is NOT interference when they own the damn property!


If I hire a nanny to babysit my kid I can still step in and do as I please!

OK fine not an exact comparison but you get the idea.

TWS/CW are 2 other movies with no valleys but their peaks are higher in the action department while SS is higher in the emotional department, so they're tied.

BB/TDK don't dip into deep valley territory, more like very shallow valleys.

BB shallow valley is the 3rd act.
TDK shallow valley is lack of action and Dent's turn.

But TDK has a huge peak with Ledger's Joker.

Whew, that was exhausting.

I can read between the lines jye and I agree that if you take away the cinematic milestone status of The Avengers that Suicide Squad is the superior film.

I'm curious as to where SS will rank after another viewing or two (or three.) My head says BB will always be superior but damn, SS was just so freaking enjoyable.

Coherent and well edited movies are over-rated, anyway.

I can't imagine anyone thinking that SS was an "incoherent" story. Mean lady makes bad guys go fight other bad guys. Done. There's nothing else to explain or figure out dude. Though I did hear that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences is moving the "Best Editing" award to be the final Oscar given at the ceremony due to it trumping all other aspects of filmmaking.

 

[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Here you go.

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Awesome!

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

The avatar line-up above would make for a pretty awesome SS2.