David Ayer's Academy Award winning "Suicide Squad"

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

This was a studio interference that worked as far as i'm concerned, and i'll say it again, it is NOT interference when they own the damn property!

Do you really want to think about movies as widgets being churned out of a factory, though? Because that's the mindset when you try to take away any creative voice. Seems clear there was a plan and an approach that moved forward, and then were interfered with. Of course those doing the interference had the right to do it, but it doesn't change that fact.

Age of Ultron wasn't great, at all, but it was a far superior film to Suicide Squad in my view. Action was better, relationships and drama were better, acting was better. Whedon went out of his way to make sure that none of the characters seemed overly superfluous (the one that was most useless was probably Quicksilver), where in Suicide Squad only 3 guys on the team got any real attention at all somehow. AOU was probably the worst offender from Marvel in terms of a convoluted, overly stuffed movie. But even then, the editing was a masterclass compared to Suicide Squad.

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

AOU was probably the worst offender from Marvel in terms of a convoluted, overly stuffed movie. But even then, the editing was a masterclass compared to Suicide Squad.

Nah, people are just using the news that "20 Joker scenes were cut" to inflate the notion that SS was a studio tainted editing nightmare. It wasn't.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I can't imagine anyone thinking that SS was an "incoherent" story. Mean lady makes bad guys go fight other bad guys. Done. There's nothing else to explain or figure out dude. Though I did hear that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences is moving the "Best Editing" award to be the final Oscar given at the ceremony due to it trumping all other aspects of filmmaking.

Incoherent in terms of stuff that didn't work or make sense, due to the changes made after the fact. The movie didn't gel at all. Just junk thrown together. Of course, there was an interconnecting thread sort of weaving across the movie, so props to them for not accidentally turning it a surrealist art film (which I probably would have enjoyed more--I would LOVE to see someone try to do justice to Grant Morrison's Invisibles).

 

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Nah, people are just using the news that "20 Joker scenes were cut" to inflate the notion that SS was a studio tainted editing nightmare. It wasn't.

Nah, people are just putting on rose tinted glasses to justify a movie in their mind, similar to the first trailer, that didn't match the movie on the screen. It was.

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Nah, people are just putting on rose tinted glasses to justify a movie in their mind

You sound like a real expert on the subject. Tell us more about these fabled "rose tinted glasses."

 

[jye4ever]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I can read between the lines jye and I agree that if you take away the cinematic milestone status of The Avengers that Suicide Squad is the superior film.

I'm curious as to where SS will rank after another viewing or two (or three.) My head says BB will always be superior but damn, SS was just so freaking enjoyable.



I can't imagine anyone thinking that SS was an "incoherent" story. Mean lady makes bad guys go fight other bad guys. Done. There's nothing else to explain or figure out dude. Though I did hear that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences is moving the "Best Editing" award to be the final Oscar given at the ceremony due to it trumping all other aspects of filmmaking.

 

[Shawpaw]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I bring Good news!

SS rips off Die Antwoord.....

The key passage:
"yes David Ayer u jockin our style.
callin ninja up before your movie came our pretendin 2b down, so it looks OK when u bite our black & white graf style & our opening sequence to umshiniwam & an all da lil tiny details u nibbeld dat other people wont see but we notice. Cara & Jared told us how much u were talkin abt us on set but u never asked our permision to rip us off. An when ninja texted u sayin wassup wif dat u said nothin like a scared lil b—-. U were jus flauntin our names pretendin to b down. u aint down an u never will b.
Even worse, Visser says, Ayer invited them to the Suicide Squad premiere, and that Ninja “had to sit through dat hole bulls— movie.” And Ninja knows bulls— movies; he starred in Chappie after all!
I kid, I kid. (Ish.)
Okay, so: Did Suicide Squad rip off Die Antwoord’s style? There are definitely some superficial similarities between Jared Leto’s tattooed Joker and Ninja. But it’s not like Leto’s Joker talks like Ninja or acts like Ninja did in Chappie (Thank God.) Granted I don’t know the “tiny details” Visser refers to, but without them there isn’t quite enough for me to condemn Ayer as a South African fashion plagiarist. The crappy movie part, though, I’m 100 percent on board with."


Read More: Die Antwoord Accuses ‘Suicide Squad’ of Stealing Their Style | https://comicsalliance.com/die-antwoord-suicide-squad/?trackback=tsmclip


I understood, none of that.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

ty templeton has his say ,looks like this guy wont be working foe dc anytime soon

I'd like to see Jake Gyllenhaal as The Joker. Maybe they should use the three Jokers storyline from Rebirth and have different actors play the role. I can't see Leto returning after all the criticism he's been getting.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I'm afraid I'm outnumbered on this forum, as the only person here who liked that movie So I won't even try to start an argument about their relative merits.

I bring Good news!

SS rips off Die Antwoord.....

The key passage:
"yes David Ayer u jockin our style.
callin ninja up before your movie came our pretendin 2b down, so it looks OK when u bite our black & white graf style & our opening sequence to umshiniwam & an all da lil tiny details u nibbeld dat other people wont see but we notice. Cara & Jared told us how much u were talkin abt us on set but u never asked our permision to rip us off. An when ninja texted u sayin wassup wif dat u said nothin like a scared lil b—-. U were jus flauntin our names pretendin to b down. u aint down an u never will b.
Even worse, Visser says, Ayer invited them to the Suicide Squad premiere, and that Ninja “had to sit through dat hole bulls— movie.” And Ninja knows bulls— movies; he starred in Chappie after all!
I kid, I kid. (Ish.)
Okay, so: Did Suicide Squad rip off Die Antwoord’s style? There are definitely some superficial similarities between Jared Leto’s tattooed Joker and Ninja. But it’s not like Leto’s Joker talks like Ninja or acts like Ninja did in Chappie (Thank God.) Granted I don’t know the “tiny details” Visser refers to, but without them there isn’t quite enough for me to condemn Ayer as a South African fashion plagiarist. The crappy movie part, though, I’m 100 percent on board with."


Read More: Die Antwoord Accuses ‘Suicide Squad’ of Stealing Their Style | https://comicsalliance.com/die-antwoord-suicide-squad/?trackback=tsmclip


I understood, none of that.

Well I certainly will agree that Suicide Squad is the die Antwoord of comic book movies. Though it's pretty damn funny that they criticize Ayer for stealing their style, then show in their own video that Joker looks also like Marilyn Manson from many years back. Who ripped off who again?

 

[spindrift]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Ok, it wasn't as painful a thought process as I was expecting, going to the dentist is still worst.

OK here goes, while Avengers follows that same peaks and valley I applied towards BvS for me it simply can't be touched because it is as iconic a moment in cinematic superhero history as STM and Batman 89 were.


But since AOU is not protected with that iconic status, I think SS is a better overall movie than AOU.


I meant it when I said that SS is a solid movie with no valleys.


This was a studio interference that worked as far as i'm concerned, and i'll say it again, it is NOT interference when they own the damn property!


If I hire a nanny to babysit my kid I can still step in and do as I please!

OK fine not an exact comparison but you get the idea.

TWS/CW are 2 other movies with no valleys but their peaks are higher in the action department while SS is higher in the emotional department, so they're tied.

BB/TDK don't dip into deep valley territory, more like very shallow valleys.

BB shallow valley is the 3rd act.
TDK shallow valley is lack of action and Dent's turn.

But TDK has a huge peak with Ledger's Joker.

Whew, that was exhausting.

You see the LIGHT- TDK trilogy untouchable but SS is the new razor's edge of superhero movies.

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Incoherent in terms of stuff that didn't work or make sense, due to the changes made after the fact. The movie didn't gel at all. Just junk thrown together.

Okay fine I'll expand on my SS synopsis:

"Mean lady makes bad guys go fight other bad guys. Incoherent mayhem ensues, Inexplicably, not everything gels. Trank and choking Mystique fans aren't impressed."

Sounds exactly like the movie I was expecting from the trailers.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Okay fine I'll expand on my SS synopsis:

"Mean lady makes bad guys go fight other bad guys. Incoherent mayhem ensues, Inexplicably, not everything gels. Trank and choking Mystique fans aren't impressed."

Sounds exactly like the movie I was expecting from the trailers.

Even that synopsis doesn't really work though, since the Suicide Squad all turned out to be good guys, except, perhaps, the rapist who gets killed about 2 minutes into the movie. . .though we aren't told he's a rapist, or anything he had done to warrant him being called a bad guy. Waller was a worse bad guy than any of the other members of the team, even if she could justify her actions as part of the greater good. And 99% of the bad guys killed were actually good guys who got turned into CG zombie creatures. Joker even comes off as sympathetic somehow, given his loving relationship with Harley. Never thought I would see that in the Snyderverse, which makes Superman out to be an antihero living in shades of gray.

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I certainly didn't take the Joker's actions toward Harley as "loving." To me he just couldn't let go of his favorite punching bag. And the zombified "good guys" are very close to what the Squad was dealt with in the comics. Once they were called to eradicate an entire covered football stadium of 60,000 fans who'd been infected with a nano-virus, and they did it.

 

[xforce]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Saw this last night here is my 2 cents

1) Thought the way they tried to integrate the orgin stories was effective
2) It really was the deadshot harley show with a few extras
3) Slipnot was almost funny afterthought
4) I thought both Harley, deadhsot and Flagg were well acted, the script let them down
5) I know waller is suppose to be a bad a$$ but really went over the top in on scene
6) The plot was a mess
7) It was a fun popcorn flick
8) I liked it less then Batman Vs Superman
9) How many times they going to shoe horn in the justice league its not organic they way they are doing it
10) DC still needs improvement but they are trying and I will go see Wonder Woman

 

[Victοr]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Incoherent in terms of stuff that didn't work or make sense, due to the changes made after the fact. The movie didn't gel at all. Just junk thrown together. Of course, there was an interconnecting thread sort of weaving across the movie, so props to them for not accidentally turning it a surrealist art film (which I probably would have enjoyed more--I would LOVE to see someone try to do justice to Grant Morrison's Invisibles).

That's probably never going to happen though. Stuff like Invisibles, Transmetropolitan, Sandman/Lucifer, Cerebus and the like will never make it whole to the big screen. With the current climate, there's no way someone like Spider Jerusalem can be translated to anything other than comic books. Good as Guilermo's Hellboy movies were, they didn't really feel like translations of the books. If he couldn't nail such a "simple" atmosphere, then I don't think any of the more complex stuff have any chance, no matter who's at the helm.

PS: You know, Multiversity as a whole might be one of the most... "messy" books out there, but I think certain one--shots could become great movies. Pax Americana, The Just and The Mastermen, with Ultra Comics being more of a challenge.

I'd like to see Jake Gyllenhaal as The Joker. Maybe they should use the three Jokers storyline from Rebirth and have different actors play the role. I can't see Leto returning after all the criticism he's been getting.

You keep your stinkin' hands off him you maniacal maniac! He's gonna be Netflix's Moon Knight and I will accept no alternative! So, yeah, keep those... "funny" thoughts out of yer head!

 

[jye4ever]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Do you really want to think about movies as widgets being churned out of a factory, though? Because that's the mindset when you try to take away any creative voice. Seems clear there was a plan and an approach that moved forward, and then were interfered with. Of course those doing the interference had the right to do it, but it doesn't change that fact.

Age of Ultron wasn't great, at all, but it was a far superior film to Suicide Squad in my view. Action was better, relationships and drama were better, acting was better. Whedon went out of his way to make sure that none of the characters seemed overly superfluous (the one that was most useless was probably Quicksilver), where in Suicide Squad only 3 guys on the team got any real attention at all somehow. AOU was probably the worst offender from Marvel in terms of a convoluted, overly stuffed movie. But even then, the editing was a masterclass compared to Suicide Squad.

I never thought I would live to see the day of AOU being praised, that movie was received like a fish under a knife.

I defended that movie and I still enjoy it, Fury arriving with the helicarrier was nice, QS death was sad, triple attack on Ultron was bad ass, Vision's discussion with Ultron was great.....but I do like SS better.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Yeah, Dr. Strange may be the closest we get to a comic book-related mind**** on the big screen. Even something like Alan Moore's Swamp Thing will never be done justice, because it's too cerebral a concept. I certainly don't fault the big companies from not gambling on any of those, though they could make for very interesting, and potentially profitable smaller, indie-type movies if the properties could be outsourced in such a way.

I never thought I would live to see the day of AOU being praised, that movie was received like a fish under a knife.

I defended that movie and I still enjoy it, Fury arriving with the helicarrier was nice, QS death was sad, triple attack on Ultron was bad ass, Vision's discussion with Ultron was great.....but I do like SS better.

Please don't get me wrong, it is all relative

Just like I'll wholeheartedly agree with (almost ) everyone that Suicide Squad is Citizen Kane compared to the Trank FF movie. . .or at least, what little of it I could bear to watch.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Even that synopsis doesn't really work though, since the Suicide Squad all turned out to be good guys, except, perhaps, the rapist who gets killed about 2 minutes into the movie. . .though we aren't told he's a rapist, or anything he had done to warrant him being called a bad guy. Waller was a worse bad guy than any of the other members of the team, even if she could justify her actions as part of the greater good. And 99% of the bad guys killed were actually good guys who got turned into CG zombie creatures. Joker even comes off as sympathetic somehow, given his loving relationship with Harley. Never thought I would see that in the Snyderverse, which makes Superman out to be an antihero living in shades of gray.

Joker is a hero in this film. He only killed a few bad guys and all he wanted was to rescue Harley from a villain who is using her. This lover boy Joker is my biggest fear (regarding Joker) coming true. Once they gave Harley an origin in the 90's and they started to make Harley more than just a henchman, I knew one day someone would make Joker and Harley some kind of Bonnie and Clyde team....and I hate that

 

[KitFisto]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Gonna see this tomorrow.

 

[BlueberryJerry]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I never thought I would live to see the day of AOU being praised, that movie was received like a fish under a knife.

I defended that movie and I still enjoy it, Fury arriving with the helicarrier was nice, QS death was sad, triple attack on Ultron was bad ass, Vision's discussion with Ultron was great.....but I do like SS better.

After seeing SS 4 times I can say that I like it more than all the Marvel movies. Spider-Man Homecoming might take top place, but it's too early to say. At the moment SS is my favorite CBM.