Deadpool Sequel - 2018

[crows]

And do you like Mary Sues? If not then you perfectly understand why "so and so is supposed to be this" does not inherently make them a good character.

it isnt about making a good character, it is about explaining why they are that way.

freddy kruger is supposed to be scary

and, he...succeeded at that

 

[Khev]

it isnt about making a good character

Actually yes, that is exactly the context of my statements in this post:

Well he definitely succeeded at that. I don't see how that's much of a defense though. Reminds me of people back in the day stating that Jake Lloyd and Jar Jar were "supposed to be annoying" and that the PT Jedi were "supposed to be idiots" etc. Bad characters don't become justified on account of being deliberate IMO.

Who cares why characters "are the way they are" if the end result isn't something appreciated by the audience.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

freddy kruger is supposed to be scary

and, he...succeeded at that

No, he didnt. He and all the modern horror icons failed. They are entertaining, but scary? Nah.
Little Rey fails on all levels though.

 

[crows]

Actually yes, that is exactly the context of my statements in this post:



Who cares why characters "are the way they are" if the end result isn't something appreciated by the audience.

because the creator had a vision, or was inspired by something. A creator envisions a character and then creates it with certain characteristics and then releases it to the public with intent in mind.
so to the creator, if a character is annoying as hell or a unbeatable mary sue, if that was Their intent to begin with then it succeeded.

No, he didnt. He and all the modern horror icons failed. They are entertaining, but scary? Nah.
Little Rey fails on all levels though.

first movie is super creepy, what are you talking about my boy?

 

[Bravomite]

Who cares why characters "are the way they are" if the end result isn't something appreciated by the audience.

I think the audience generally appreciated deadpool ... at least way more than the studio thought the audience would.

first movie is super creepy, what are you talking about my boy?

Correct haha. As your opinion is the same as mine I declare your statement fact.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

first movie is super creepy, what are you talking about my boy?

Correct haha. As your opinion is the same as mine I declare your statement fact.

 

[Khev]

because the creator had a vision, or was inspired by something. A creator envisions a character and then creates it with certain characteristics and then releases it to the public with intent in mind.
so to the creator, if a character is annoying as hell or a unbeatable mary sue, if that was Their intent to begin with then it succeeded.

Well sure a filmmaker might "succeed" in creating something that *they* like but so what if no one else does. George Lucas made AOTC exactly the way he wanted to but what difference does that make to anyone but him?

Some people liked DP and some people didn't but stating "well the character was presented in the exact way that they intended" isn't really relevant when discussing the film's merit. It doesn't matter if a good movie is a happy accident or 100% someone's specific vision realized on screen, all that matters is if it *is* good or not. At least in discussions like this anyway.

 

[crows]

Wes Craven wanted to make a really scary character, a creepy man that looked horrible and scared you when watching him (or at least gross you out). he succeeded.
even if you are not scared because you are super tough boy, you aint afraid of nothin super tough boy, you have to admit he looks gross and threatening with that glove.

he does look and act repulsive. hes not a guy you would want to meet. or have in your room, naked under your bed reaching for your junk

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Wes Craven wanted to make a really scary character, a creepy man that looked horrible and scared you when watching him (or at least gross you out). he succeeded.
even if you are not scared because you are super tough boy, you aint afraid of nothin super tough boy, you have to admit he looks gross and threatening with that glove.

he does look and act repulsive. hes not a guy you would want to meet. or have in your room, naked under your bed reaching for your junk

Freddy looks like a nice guy with his Bill Cosby sweater and Indiana Jones hat. I'd be more afraid of Cosby.

His pizza face just makes me hungry.

I think that's why the sequels became horror comedies like the Chucky films. People just want to laugh and watch those guys kill stupid naked kids.

 

[crows]

Well sure a filmmaker might "succeed" in creating something that *they* like but so what if no one else does. George Lucas made AOTC exactly the way he wanted to but what difference does that make to anyone but him?

Some people liked DP and some people didn't but stating "well the character was presented in the exact way that they intended" isn't really relevant when discussing the film's merit. It doesn't matter if a good movie is a happy accident or 100% someone's specific vision realized on screen, all that matters is if it *is* good or not. At least in discussions like this anyway.

it isnt about what the creator liked, it is about the intent of the creator. what they intended for people to see. Deadpool has a HUGE, HUUUUUUUGGGGEEE Following online,
even some people that never read the comic love him because of the video game or the internet memes or because of the movie itself.
There is an entire subculture that loves deadpool. I mean, is not like we are getting a sequel for nothing.

Besides box office and Ryan Reynolds behind it, the character resonated with a lot of people, the character spoke to a lot of people. just because someone didnt like it (or a group of people didnt like it) doesnt mean it was a failure.
it is not even about ratings or box office or anything like that, the way the character was created resonated with enough people to the point that it became super famous and beloved by a lot of edgy teens.


A lot of people consider alien to be disgusting or a boring movie or have a really ugly design or an insulting movie. THAT doesnt make it any less successful with the people that love alien
is Alien a success? why, why is Alien as a creature and a movie a success? there are a lot of people that hate alien, just as much as someone can hate deadpool,
if Alien has haters and is considered gross and distasteful then why did it succeed? because they WANTED alien to be scary and dangerous and make you feel icky.

thats why i mentioned freddy kruger. Freddy kruger might have millions of haters but Wes Craven succeeded in creating a character he wanted people to experience. and a lot of other people really really love freedy kruger for what he represents, something nasty and frightening.

deadpool represents something you didnt like but it represents something that millions of hot topic wearing teens loved. so it did succeed with the crowd it needed to succeed. you and me might not even be the target audience for Deadpool just like Fans of *** and the city are not the target audience for Freddy Kruger or alien.

 

[Khev]

it isnt about what the creator liked, it is about the intent of the creator. what they intended for people to see. Deadpool has a HUGE, HUUUUUUUGGGGEEE Following online,
even some people that never read the comic love him because of the video game or the internet memes or because of the movie itself.
There is an entire subculture that loves deadpool. I mean, is not like we are getting a sequel for nothing.

Besides box office and Ryan Reynolds behind it, the character resonated with a lot of people, the character spoke to a lot of people. just because someone didnt like it (or a group of people didnt like it) doesnt mean it was a failure.
it is not even about ratings or box office or anything like that, the way the character was created resonated with enough people to the point that it became super famous and beloved by a lot of edgy teens.


A lot of people consider alien to be disgusting or a boring movie or have a really ugly design or an insulting movie. THAT doesnt make it any less successful with the people that love alien
is Alien a success? why, why is Alien as a creature and a movie a success? there are a lot of people that hate alien, just as much as someone can hate deadpool,
if Alien has haters and is considered gross and distasteful then why did it succeed? because they WANTED alien to be scary and dangerous and make you feel icky.

thats why i mentioned freddy kruger. Freddy kruger might have millions of haters but Wes Craven succeeded in creating a character he wanted people to experience. and a lot of other people really really love freedy kruger for what he represents, something nasty and frightening.

deadpool represents something you didnt like but it represents something that millions of hot topic wearing teens loved. so it did succeed with the crowd it needed to succeed. you and me might not even be the target audience for Deadpool just like Fans of *** and the city are not the target audience for Freddy Kruger or alien.

What point are you countering with all of this? Did I ever say that DP didn't turn a huge profit? Or that it doesn't have tons a fans? Or that its target audience didn't get exactly what they paid to see? No. I simply stated why he doesn't appeal to me. Sure it was a box office (and even critical IIRC) "success," but I never once disputed that.

 

[crows]

we were talking about what the creator wanted to do and if he succeeded or not. the creator did succeed. thats my only point in all of this. Thats why i said it doesnt even have to do with box office or critics rating or anything like that. i never mentioned any of that either.

I KNOW deadpool is annoying. his jokes are stupid. I know deadpool is like a child, and thats what the creator wanted. so it works

 

[ZaCHw117]

it isnt about what the creator liked, it is about the intent of the creator. what they intended for people to see. Deadpool has a HUGE, HUUUUUUUGGGGEEE Following online,
even some people that never read the comic love him because of the video game or the internet memes or because of the movie itself.
There is an entire subculture that loves deadpool. I mean, is not like we are getting a sequel for nothing.

Besides box office and Ryan Reynolds behind it, the character resonated with a lot of people, the character spoke to a lot of people. just because someone didnt like it (or a group of people didnt like it) doesnt mean it was a failure.
it is not even about ratings or box office or anything like that, the way the character was created resonated with enough people to the point that it became super famous and beloved by a lot of edgy teens.


A lot of people consider alien to be disgusting or a boring movie or have a really ugly design or an insulting movie. THAT doesnt make it any less successful with the people that love alien
is Alien a success? why, why is Alien as a creature and a movie a success? there are a lot of people that hate alien, just as much as someone can hate deadpool,
if Alien has haters and is considered gross and distasteful then why did it succeed? because they WANTED alien to be scary and dangerous and make you feel icky.

thats why i mentioned freddy kruger. Freddy kruger might have millions of haters but Wes Craven succeeded in creating a character he wanted people to experience. and a lot of other people really really love freedy kruger for what he represents, something nasty and frightening.

deadpool represents something you didnt like but it represents something that millions of hot topic wearing teens loved. so it did succeed with the crowd it needed to succeed. you and me might not even be the target audience for Deadpool just like Fans of *** and the city are not the target audience for Freddy Kruger or alien.

crows knows!

 

[Khev]

we were talking about what the creator wanted to do and if he succeeded or not. the creator did succeed. thats my only point in all of this. Thats why i said it doesnt even have to do with box office or critics rating or anything like that. i never mentioned any of that either.

I KNOW deadpool is annoying. his jokes are stupid. I know deadpool is like a child, and thats what the creator wanted. so it works

I'm pretty sure I won whatever debate we were having so to that I say "apology accepted."

 

[ZaCHw117]

I'm pretty sure I won whatever debate we were having so to that I say "apology accepted."

i think you're confused, crows whooped your ***.

 

[crows]

there was no debate as far as i know, no one won anything because we werent arguing anything, I was simply explaining that as annoying and stupid as deadpool is, thats exactly what was intended. I thought we were just discussing the point of the character.

do you see targets to take down when you come to these threads my friend? are we nothing but targets to you?????

 

[ZaCHw117]

khev be like,

"whoa wait they are talking about deadpool in the deadpool thread, and not Rogue One?!"

 

[crows]

khev the movie section gunslinger

 

[ZaCHw117]

might wanna watch out crows, he's running out of targets.

 

[crows]

i guess we better camouflage then!