Deadpool Sequel - 2018

[Bravomite]

Or like watching RO and wanting less awesomeness. Better to go with DOFP.

In all seriousness I had those early issues of New Mutants/X-Force where DP was first introduced and I don't recall him cussing up a storm or wanting to jerk off/be sodomized or any of that. So I'm assuming the South Park humor was made to be a part of the character much later.

Firstly I take your bait though I know it was meant for another haha... DOFP was packed with awesome and it corrected / deleted the horror show that was X3. Whilst Rogue One was equally awesome did it erase TFA ...? Nope.

(Don't worry I'm not being that serious as I remember all too well that Fox then went and nuked their X-men franchise all over again and TFA was never an X3... maybe an Apocalypse but never an X3.)

I do agree with you on Deadpool to an extent though a movie version of the original incarnation of deadpool that you remember would be bit boring... he was a straight up villain, a rip-off of deathstroke crossed with the look of spiderman (because Liefield wanted to draw spidey) and had little to no personality.

I used to read the funny books a lot and remember that once Deadpool was given his own solo title (written by Joe Kelly) he was reinvented as the anti-hero, fourth wall breaking, wise-cracking, pop-culture referencing, satirical character that is represented in the movie. However, the style of humor varies quite a bit depending on who is writing him.

The south park humor of movie Deadpool seems fairly typical of the Daniel Way run which was popular during the years that Reynolds was trying to get the movie green lit (at least that's how I remember it). A lot of the other writers before and after have not relied so heavily on the cheap toilet humor but alas I think Reynolds prefers it this way. Don't get me wrong I am happy that we have a fairly good movie version of Deadpool but it could be less teenage boy humor and still be accurate to the character.

 

[Craig Walker]

He definitely doesn't offer me anything. His irreverent and self-aware shtick is nothing new. 20 years ago Poison Ivy was making references to her own action figure. Logan calling Xavier "Wheels," RDJ calling Thor "Shakespeare in the Park" or Hawkeye "Legolas" was funny and new back in the day between 2000-2012 but those moments in and of themselves don't stand out in current films. So when Deadpool calls that one mutant chick "Sinead O'Connor" I see a character who's just trying to piggyback on jokes that have been made many times before.

Ferris Bueller and Austin Powers both did better jobs at breaking the fourth wall and the raunchy humor is just South Park all over again. But I guess it served its purpose if it was a stepping stone to Logan getting green lit.

You obviously only know DP from the movies, and not the comics.

He was doing the pop-culture references and 4th wall break stuff in the 90s. That's most of what makes Deadpool.....Deadpool.

 

[Khev]

He was doing the pop-culture references and 4th wall break stuff in the 90s. That's most of what makes Deadpool.....Deadpool.

Well then it sounds like another John Carter situation. He might have been a pioneer of sorts in a different medium but he is *so* late to the show with that stuff cinematically.

 

[Craig Walker]

Check this out, from a DP comic dated 2002:

I thought this joke was only a Spiderman reference, but he was quoting a comic from 15 years ago. Crazy.

 

[Craig Walker]

Well then it sounds like another John Carter situation. He might have been a pioneer of sorts in a different medium but he is *so* late to the show with that stuff cinematically.

Fair enough. Reynolds was trying to get him to screen for like 10 years.

But you can't change the meat of the character because 'it's been done'. I think they did it well. My 2¢.

 

[Khev]

Firstly I take your bait though I know it was meant for another haha... DOFP was packed with awesome and it corrected / deleted the horror show that was X3. Whilst Rogue One was equally awesome did it erase TFA ...? Nope.

(Don't worry I'm not being that serious as I remember all too well that Fox then went and nuked their X-men franchise all over again and TFA was never an X3... maybe an Apocalypse but never an X3.)

You must have been working on that response for quite some time because I had edited my post quite a while ago so as not to derail the DP thread with SW talk, lol.

But since you mention it I don't really see TFA as needing to be erased since ROTJ resolved the Saga in pretty much every conceivable way. So if you don't like TFA it's very easy to simply ignore. It doesn't need some other movie to "undo it." What RO *does* erase in my mind is the PT. To me AOTC says that Geonosians completely designed the entire Death Star (they even had a 100% complete schematic that they gave to Dooku) but in RO it's Galen Erso who is the primary man responsible. I know that some episode of Rebels apparently tried to suggest that both Geonosians and Galen worked together or something but that's a total contradiction to both films IMO.

So you have to take one or the other and I take RO.

 

[jye4ever]

I hope to never see Geonosis ever again.

RO i'm dying to go home and watch it again right now lol

Human actor Galen > Silly cgi bug

 

[Bravomite]

You must have been working on that response for quite some time because I had edited my post quite a while ago so as not to derail the DP thread with SW talk, lol.

But since you mention it I don't really see TFA as needing to be erased since ROTJ resolved the Saga in pretty much every conceivable way. So if you don't like TFA it's very easy to simply ignore. It doesn't need some other movie to "undo it." What RO *does* erase in my mind is the PT. To me AOTC says that Geonosians completely designed the entire Death Star (they even had a 100% complete schematic that they gave to Dooku) but in RO it's Galen Erso who is the primary man responsible. I know that some episode of Rebels apparently tried to suggest that both Geonosians and Galen worked together or something but that's a total contradiction to both films IMO.

So you have to take one or the other and I take RO.

Apologies in advance for slight thread detour. Hahaha yes you got me. I caught your post in stasis lock, made a cup of tea and then sat down to pen my reply.

I knew you'd go there with the prequels ... everything is proceeding as I have foreseen (evil chuckle). Now I pettily remind you that from my point of view RO is a sequel to the PT or if you will a prequel to the OT [zaps you with prequel force lightning]. I know at this point that Khev cannon is protected by ray shields which are virtually impenetrable. Yes whilst Rebels and the Rogue One prequel (there's that word again) novel tie it altogether nicely I realize that the SW EU has no effect on you only OT and RO movies. You know the other points already but I remind the Senate that there's Saw Gerrera (a character from the clone wars), Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa and Genevieve O’Reilly as Mon Mothma (both returning actors from the PT) as well as designs from PT featuring in RO.

Whilst you take RO as an FU to the PT I see it as a bridge between the OT and PT. And yes right now they are treading carefully with their PT throw backs so as not to scare away the Khevs. But before long and as the PT generation gets older we will begin to see this happen with more and more frequency. I know I know you will of course erase these move movies from the Khev Cannon Archive Memory ... but what will you become if Disney Wars produces a movie that is undeniably linked to the PT and is as good as RO?

[many minutes were wasted writing this response]

I like Deadpool and Cable looks short (phew post is still relevant).

 

[ZaCHw117]

 

[Khev]

I'll post my response in the RO thread so folks can keep discussing DP.

 

[karamazov80]

The flashbacks, Wade's relationship with the girl, and the serious moments were surprisingly effective, imo.

I agree, and they worked so well, in part because they are juxtaposed with the other stuff. But that isn't what set the film apart from other films. If you want really good drama, you don't go to the Deadpool movie. Or any comic book movie barring some of the Nolan or Singer stuff IMO.

I do agree with you on Deadpool to an extent though a movie version of the original incarnation of deadpool that you remember would be bit boring... he was a straight up villain, a rip-off of deathstroke crossed with the look of spiderman (because Liefield wanted to draw spidey) and had little to no personality.

I used to read the funny books a lot and remember that once Deadpool was given his own solo title (written by Joe Kelly) he was reinvented as the anti-hero, fourth wall breaking, wise-cracking, pop-culture referencing, satirical character that is represented in the movie. However, the style of humor varies quite a bit depending on who is writing him.

The south park humor of movie Deadpool seems fairly typical of the Daniel Way run which was popular during the years that Reynolds was trying to get the movie green lit (at least that's how I remember it). A lot of the other writers before and after have not relied so heavily on the cheap toilet humor but alas I think Reynolds prefers it this way. Don't get me wrong I am happy that we have a fairly good movie version of Deadpool but it could be less teenage boy humor and still be accurate to the character.

I was actually a very big Deadpool fan back when he first showed up in the early/mid '90s, had all of his early New Mutants and X-Force appearances, and bought the original series off the rack. You're right, but in the pop culture consciousness, such that it is, he is known for his wacky, lewd, no-holds barred humor. Like Howard Stern mixed with Chuck Norris. When they sold his game, that was the focus. When they promoted the movie, that was the focus. So, I think that really stands as the essence of Deadpool now, for better or worse. And though I don't see this as anything more than disposable entertainment and empty calories, I see value here, and think it's good that they are going off the beaten path with this guy by really wallowing in that juvenile/*******/South Park kind of mindset. Moviegoers in general obviously feel the same way. As with the DC movies, which I generally don't care for, I do acknowledge that they are appealing to certain audiences, and it is good that there are options for people out there to see what they like.

 

[Khev]

I agree that diversification of subject matter and style is a good thing, especially for a bloated genre like superheroes. And I may not have cared for DP but the fact that it was a success will only increase the chances that some niche type of cbm that I *do* want made will now get the greenlight.

 

[crows]

Deadpool has always meant to be annoying. As annoying as possible. No one can stand to work with him.
Hes the troll personification in the comic world.

Hes literally trolling the people in his world AND trolling the audience at the same time

 

[Khev]

Well he definitely succeeded at that. I don't see how that's much of a defense though. Reminds me of people back in the day stating that Jake Lloyd and Jar Jar were "supposed to be annoying" and that the PT Jedi were "supposed to be idiots" etc. Bad characters don't become justified on account of being deliberate IMO.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Everything Star Wars.

Deadpool was designed to be that way, so he is.

SW was not, so it sucked.

 

[karamazov80]

Everything Star Wars.

Deadpool was designed to be that way, so he is.

SW was not, so it sucked.

Lucas said those films were like poetry. But he never said they were good poetry.

 

[crows]

Well he definitely succeeded at that. I don't see how that's much of a defense though. Reminds me of people back in the day stating that Jake Lloyd and Jar Jar were "supposed to be annoying" and that the PT Jedi were "supposed to be idiots" etc. Bad characters don't become justified on account of being deliberate IMO.

is not a defense, it is an explanation for the jokes and behavior. \ hes constantly breaking fourth wall in the comic while no one else understands anything he says,

 

[Sachiel]

Well he definitely succeeded at that. I don't see how that's much of a defense though. Reminds me of people back in the day stating that Jake Lloyd and Jar Jar were "supposed to be annoying" and that the PT Jedi were "supposed to be idiots" etc. Bad characters don't become justified on account of being deliberate IMO.

Rey is supposed to be a Mary Sue.

 

[crows]

Rey is supposed to be a Mary Sue.

and, she... succeeded at that

 

[Khev]

Rey is supposed to be a Mary Sue.

And do you like Mary Sues? If not then you perfectly understand why "so and so is supposed to be this" does not inherently make them a good character.