Doctor Who - Spoilers!

[Ross SC]

This was for the London Scifi Film Festival a few months ago... she one 1st place in the dog show.

 

[FrodoEyes]

Roll on the holiday special.

Dude, please. You're not American. Please refer to it as the christmas special

 

[Kamandi]

They could have used the other Doctor actors even if they are older. If someone had said "But you were younger when you regenerated..." "Oh, what a linear way of looking at things. I'm a Timelord." and that would be it.

Tom's explaination was even more elegant. The Doctor will re-visit favorite faces in his future lives. This tells us he will live past PC's Doctor and it's only a matter of 'how?'

Edit: My favorite 2 minutes of TV this whole year: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01m43f3

 

[DGTWoodward]

Dude, please. You're not American. Please refer to it as the christmas special

I am NOT American certainly...nor do I celebrate the greedy cash harvest, generator of some of the worst times in my life, modern and totally artificial because it happens at the wrong time of the year, pagan Roman festival of Saturnalia, that is paraded around as if it were Christmas.

So it's the holiday special to me.

PS Dude...You're English. Please refer to it as '...the Christmas special' (with a capital 'C') and not "...the christmas special"

 

[JonWes]

Looks like pixeltwin may have called it saying the Meta-Crisis counted as regen! :O

https://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/11/steven-moffat-adds-twists-regeneration-riddle/

 

[Kamandi]

1) Clearly they've written a workaround.
2) I'm glad it's being acknowledged. It's too deeply entrenched to ignore.
3) I would hope Peter Capaldi is counted as the 14th Doctor rather than "the new 1". That would suggest he has no connection or memories of his prior lives. Old fans might not be confused, but every show needs to occasionally refresh it's fan base.

 

[Magpie 7]

They could have used the other Doctor actors even if they are older. If someone had said "But you were younger when you regenerated..." "Oh, what a linear way of looking at things. I'm a Timelord." and that would be it.

Tom's explaination was even more elegant. The Doctor will re-visit favorite faces in his future lives. This tells us he will live past PC's Doctor and it's only a matter of 'how?'

Edit: My favorite 2 minutes of TV this whole year: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01m43f3

What they could've done was to have the War Doctor ask the Timelords for help, then the Timelords could've sent some of the Doctor's from alternate universe's who hadn't regenerated yet (which ONLY the Timelords can do).

It does leave a slight bitter taste that Davison, Colin Baker, McCoy and McGann weren't acknowledged equally to Smith, Tennant and a lesser extent to Tom Baker. Eccleston effectively stuck up two fingers to the fans and was featured more prominately than the first 8 Doctors if you count the regeneration (using an effect shot from 'Parting of the Ways').

But if Steven Moffatt is as good as his word then when they come up with a story that is fitting of having a previous Doctor they will do it now.

 

[bloodgear]

https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/regeneration-limit-spoilers-56155.htm

Hmm.
Valeyard better appear then.

 

[Kamandi]

They namedroped the Valeyard in "The Name of the Doctor", seems unlikely they would do that without a reason.

It does leave a slight bitter taste that Davison, Colin Baker, McCoy and McGann weren't acknowledged equally to Smith, Tennant and a lesser extent to Tom Baker. Eccleston effectively stuck up two fingers to the fans and was featured more prominately than the first 8 Doctors...

Considering the DW staff helped Peter Davidson and some of the other actors produce a short it was probably less about snubbing and more they just couldn't fit everything.

The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot

 

[lerath666]

A thought.

Capaldi's eyes.. look .. VERY Sinister...

PERHAPS WE're going to get a VERY DIFFERNT Doctor.


Perhaps Capaldi is the Valeyard.

 

[Magpie 7]

The Valeyard isn't a regeneration of the Doctor, more of an echo of his conciousness or as they say in the dialogue a manifestation of his personality. The Doctor can project a version of himself which can interact with him but might not always be in agreement or helpfull to him, they may conspire against the Doctor like the Valeyard or the Dreamlord. Other manifestations are the Watcher who helped #4 through his regeneration into #5 and possibly the Curator.

If the Valeyard appears it is because the Doctor is down to his last life. If they go by the original concept then the Doctor will receive further regenerations from the Timelords (as the Master did), may be the Valeyard will pop up to argue against it.

 

[pixletwin]

I kind of like to think of the Curator as being among the true final incarnations of The Doctor. Maybe once he hits his 278th incarnation lol) he can finally control his appearance after regeneration and decided to start revisiting "old faces" - Tom Baker's incarnation in this instance.

 

[Kamandi]

I'd like to think of Tom as the Once and Future Doctor.

The Valeyard isn't a regeneration of the Doctor, more of an echo of his conciousness or as they say in the dialogue a manifestation of his personality. The Doctor can project a version of himself which can interact with him but might not always be in agreement or helpfull to him, they may conspire against the Doctor like the Valeyard or the Dreamlord. Other manifestations are the Watcher who helped #4 through his regeneration into #5 and possibly the Curator.

Also The Dreamlord in "Amy's Choice" is such an external manifestation.

I'd like to think of The Curator as the real Once and Future Doctor.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Just got back from the showing. Amazing. Easily one of the top top top episodes of the 50 year history.

 

[Frank]

Saw this last night in a theater and I thought it was absolutely one of Moffat's best. Great character studies of the three Doctors and sold me on John Hurt's "warrior" in particular.

I suppose "The Moment" was powerful enough to blow open this supposedly "fixed" moment in time?

The prospects for next season are just mind-blowing. I'm really pumped to see how Capaldi will do... Smith better not take the emo route on his way out. He probably will but still. It's time for a less clownish Dr.

One major minor issue:
The historical figure cameos in Who never fail to make me wince, and QE1 was one of the lousiest.

Overall, this is getting me stoked enough to not worry about an entire

Spoiler

planet of Timelords

floating around.

 

[jrice73]

Just got back from the theatre and my second viewing of The Day of the Doctor, this one in 3D. The 3D was definitely well done probably because it was shot in 3D and not post-converted. The scene with Tom Baker was even better this time around (cause I wasn't fist pumping and acting like a fanboy) and it was totally sublime. It sort makes me think the upcoming Christmas special on Trenzalore is not going to be as finite as Matt's Doctor thinks its going to be. I would assume Matt takes Clara right after the end of The Day of the Doctor and begins looking in earnest for Gallifrey. I would assume a lot of time has passed between both episodes. And if what they say is true about what comes to pass in Matt's finale, then all bets are off. But going back to tonight's showing. WOW! Just as beautiful and soulful and made even more so by being on the big screen. The Day of the Doctor is ONE OF THE BEST of all time, hands down.

 

[ProgMatinee]

So, how was every one's Who showing at the theater. Lots of fez's and Doctor jackets. Lot of fun seeing it with a crowd that got excited at certain points.

Had on my Dalek shirt that says "INTOXICATE".

 

[pixletwin]

I forgot to bring my sonics.

 

[lerath666]

I suppose "The Moment" was powerful enough to blow open this supposedly "fixed" moment in time?

I've been thinking a great deal about that in particular. I've got a handfull of posabilities.

1) it IS a fixed moment in time, and that is how it ALLWAYS happened?

Devil's advocate: IF that's the case, then the events that take place in the End of time tv specials contradict it pretty solidly. Paradox of colossal proportions.

2) So long as the Universe as a whole percieves no change in the events of a fixed moment in time, then changes CAN occur. considering that to all outside observers, The end of the time war still led to the destruction of Gallifray and the Daleks, then all is well.

And he CAN save it.

"Gallifray Falls No More"

So the BIGGEST question then, how do the events of "the end of time" fit into the new timeline created by these events?

Does the Master Still die? or can he simply come back now?
If gallifray was not stuck in the vortex, dying and being reborn, and dying again all throught time, then how does the Matt smith regeneration take place?

so many questions.


Edit: Ok, this helps with the end of time.

Undoing Rassilon’s Escape!

rassilon-doctor-who-end-of-timeSo if Gallifrey was whisked away to heaven knows where, how did Rassilon and company escape and confront the Tenth Doctor. Again, this is rather easy to explain and a little bit silly once you’ve read it. The escape takes place on the last day of the war, but it most likely took place sometime during this episode while the Hurt Doctor was with the other Doctors away from Gallifrey. If you want a timeline, then: The War Doctor messages the Time Lords before joining his future selves on Earth. Rassilon, fearing the worst, escapes to Earth on Christmas 2009. Tenth Doctor sends them right back into the war. Doctors Assemble saves Gallifrey. This is the order in which the events take place.

 

[DGTWoodward]

I have watched it again. I agree, this is certainly the best special of the 'new' Who specials, sorry RTD, but this is proof that the 'just throwing everything at the screen and hoping something sticks' technique is just not the right way to do it!

I did find the whole QE1 section tedious and a bit boring, but then I don't really like Joanna Page that much, but Tennant's warning off a rabbit was quite amusing and his QE1 section's interaction with Matt was very enjoyable.

But then I have always loved Matt's interpretation of the Doctor. His technique of seeing everything as a child would see it, is brilliantly done. Like the look on his face when he walks past the Fez in its glass case, he is totally caught by it and he just cannot go past it without putting it on,...he has a sneaky looks to make sure he's not being watched first, then is dead proud of himself, showing it off and being really happy when he's got it on.

Yes, it was a very good episode indeed, with exceptional 3D.