whoa whoa Bane, come on. Putting Rising under PW and GZ?
Also I agree with you on Ghost of Sparta though I would say the series really died with Ascension and it only began with Ghost of Sparta.
Rising is great, but it didn't beat out the poignant moments in those games. I don't really accept what happened with the Boss in Peace Walker as MY canon, but if I take it as it's own thing, there's some really powerful scenes with Big Boss's turmoil over the Boss' choices. When David Hayter wasn't doing Harvey Fierstein impressions, he gave some heart-wrenching performances! I put 300 hours into that game! That's the most I ever played a single game in my life! I can't jump on the hate bandwagon, because I believe it was a great game BUILT FOR THE PSP. I'd argue it was the best portable game, but playing it on the PS3 hurt it for me. It's like giving MGS great controls. A lot of the game works is because of the controls restricting the player, just like the PSP did for Peace Walker. The difficulty was pretty relative to the controls and a mobile gameplay session. MGS is much better, but I hope you understand where I'm getting at.
With Ground Zeroes, I have to play it like I did with MGS, ignoring MG and MG2, and go by what the intro gave me. Otherwise there's a massive tonal dissonance with Paz, but I don't understand the complaints. Do you want keep digging a hole into the goofiness of the end of that game? Anyways, I really felt for Paz in that game. I think the subject matter could have been handled a lot better, but I like the direction the series is going. I love that they gave us the option to save those prisoners. There was no blue and red" system. I felt empowered! I played it for over 30 hours and loved every second!
You could definitely argue Rising is better, but I'll compare it to God of War. I liked Chains of Olympus better than God of War 3. Will I argue it's better? Heck, no! But I'll give you two lines that got to me, and the reason why I kept going back to that game over 3.
"I do not need the aid of the gods! But my path is now clear to me. I will serve them, and they will keep their promise to free me from my past!"
Atlas - "I ask you Spartan. What good is the promise of an Olympian?" Kratos -"It is all I have, Atlas!"
TC Carson delivers those lines with such passion and it really added to Kratos' character. I never hated a villain in a video game until Zeus in God of War 2, and those lines just pumped me up more to take him out. That and along with seeing him push his daughter away. I don't like interactive cut scenes with QTE's or button mashing, but that was very effective. It was great in MGS, but give us arthritis guys a break, Kojima! I'm just kidding!
I like God of War more than the sequel because of the climax. That was genius having you give your life to your family by hugging them, and then fending off clones! God of War 2 still has the greatest line ever- "I AM WHAT THE GODS HAVE MADE ME!"
In regards to what you said about fandom, I was kind of scared to go in the MGS thread here in sideshow. That made me want to get rid of my copies of the games. Then I looked at the covers and there was no way I could do it. I love this franchise too much. No one is going to ruin it for me. I don't think any of these games are perfect. MGS3 is my all time favorite game, and I think there's better games out there. The Demon/Dark Souls (/Bloodbourne?) games are probably the greatest I have ever played. Those aren't perfect either!
I've seen plenty of MGS fans who think Rising is "bad" and some flat out refuse to play it because "robs the honor" of the series. So be it. I'd say have a little fun and never take something too seriously.
Do they not play any other video games? Because if it's not a MGS game, then they should just judge it the same way they would a game from a different series. I think that's an honor abuse! When I think of honor, I think of my family or religion, not a video game! I don't get it. Unfortunately couldn't get into the story elements, but the gameplay was excellent! I think Ninja Gaiden Black is still my favorite action game though!
MGS2 is the greatest piece of metatextual art ever produced by the videogame industry.
Darn Tootin! You have the most amazing username ever!