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Dr. Ornish came up with the idea of healthy eating as medicine?
Man, Hippocrates is going to be pissed. :lol

No, Dr. Ornish proved scientifically that diet, stress management, and moderate exercise reverses heart disease without drugs or surgery. Hippocrates thought of it first, but Dr. Ornish proved it.

Thomas Edison also thought of using food as medicine before Dr. Ornish.
 
If drugs truly are needed beyond that, then so be it, but first see what can be done with diet, and THEN use drugs, and when drugs are used in addition to diet, the dosage will be lower, and so it will be safer.

Some people don't have the luxury of time.

I can't wait until we start seeing ACA refusals to pay for medications because 'preventative diet' is just as good.
 
:cuckoo: Majority,if not all Milk that you buy in the store is pasturized..meaning they strip away all the essential Vitamins and minerals during the process, which then they ADD the Vitamin D in, which is no different than just taking Vitamin D supplements.

Some people can't drink Milk because of being Lactose intolerant and also Dairy in itself isn't the best when trying to control your Diet.Then,Natural Vitamin D is found in RAW milk (unpasturized) which you cannot buy in the grocery store.

Blackthornone is right,you don't know what you're talking about or you're just ignorant

I thought that pasteurization just was cooking the milk which rendered the minerals inorganic and less easy to assimilate than in raw milk. There is a big difference in the calcium absorption from raw milk vs pasteurized.

I did not know that pasteurization actually removed nutrients.
 
Hypertension is typically symptomless. If you have high blood pressure and you're having specific symptoms I'd look into secondary effects of hypertension or check side effects of any medications you're on.

:goodpost:

Hypertension is the silent killer.



I smoke, drink, eat a lot of sugar and red meat, and I have naturally low blood pressure.

But, that's because I'm a nephilim. Not everyone is so lucky.

:rotfl
 
Some people don't have the luxury of time.

I can't wait until we start seeing ACA refusals to pay for medications because 'preventative diet' is just as good.

Sure, in severe cases, drugs would be indicated as immediate treatment, but to prescribe drugs without also recommending a dietary program is irresponsible and is what is usually done, I think. The idea would be to prescribe drugs to bring down the pressure so people don't drop dead before they can get their pressure under control using a dietary approach.

If diet is cheaper than drugs, than the ACA should pay for dietary programs because it saves them.
 
I use to feel the same way, crows. Rule 1 is get a stationary bike. Start at 5 minutes @ target heart rate. Rest 1 day. If 5 minutes was okay go to 6 minutes. Rest 1 day. If 6 minutes was not okay stay at 6 minutes. Rest 1 day. If 6 minutes was okay go to 7 minutes. And so on until you get to 25 minutes or 30 minutes. Bike consistently and advance to Rule 2: start lifting weights on the bike rest day.

Before long bodily hell will be a memory. Best of luck to you, it is not an easy road, put on Rocky theme music when the old "i'm too tired, i'm too busy, i'm too etc etc" habits take a stranglehold. The pain or boredom of discipline always leads to a peace unknown.
 
I use to feel the same way, crows. Rule 1 is get a stationary bike. Start at 5 minutes @ target heart rate. Rest 1 day. If 5 minutes was okay go to 6 minutes. Rest 1 day. If 6 minutes was not okay stay at 6 minutes. Rest 1 day. If 6 minutes was okay go to 7 minutes. And so on until you get to 25 minutes or 30 minutes. Bike consistently and advance to Rule 2: start lifting weights on the bike rest day.

Before long bodily hell will be a memory. Best of luck to you, it is not an easy road, put on Rocky theme music when the old "i'm too tired, i'm too busy, i'm too etc etc" habits take a stranglehold. The pain or boredom of discipline always leads to a peace unknown.
You can also get an indoor bike trainer for a regular bicycle. If you get one that needs a tire, get a spare wheel with cheap tires, because trainers eat up tires 3x as fast as actual riding, or get a Lemond Revolution that uses no tires and is direct drive to the rear cogset that attaches to the trainer. The Lemond is $630, though.
 
If diet is cheaper than drugs, than the ACA should pay for dietary programs because it saves them.

Diet will always be cheaper than medication and surgery.

And I don't know what medieval backwater you live in, but most doctors prescribe lifestyle changes to chronically unhealthy patients. Then again, I live in an extremely sophisticated region of the county.
 
Sure, in severe cases, drugs would be indicated as immediate treatment, but to prescribe drugs without also recommending a dietary program is irresponsible and is what is usually done, I think. The idea would be to prescribe drugs to bring down the pressure so people don't drop dead before they can get their pressure under control using a dietary approach.

I like this post.

There is wisdom in both camps.
 
I use to feel the same way, crows. Rule 1 is get a stationary bike. Start at 5 minutes @ target heart rate. Rest 1 day. If 5 minutes was okay go to 6 minutes. Rest 1 day. If 6 minutes was not okay stay at 6 minutes. Rest 1 day. If 6 minutes was okay go to 7 minutes. And so on until you get to 25 minutes or 30 minutes. Bike consistently and advance to Rule 2: start lifting weights on the bike rest day.

Before long bodily hell will be a memory. Best of luck to you, it is not an easy road, put on Rocky theme music when the old "i'm too tired, i'm too busy, i'm too etc etc" habits take a stranglehold. The pain or boredom of discipline always leads to a peace unknown.

thank you .
 
There is wisdom in both camps.

Of course there is. However, I don't think medicine is separated into camps of diet vs. pharmaceutical. I think the two camps are more akin to naturalist/anti-industrial medicine, and rational treatment based on the best available means.
 
While I can't entirely rule out that medication doesn't help, I can't ignore the fact either that they have side-effects. Since the way our bodies react to medication varies individually, you can't say for sure that if something works for someone, it's gonna work for others too. Yes, they provide instantaneous relief but in the long run they may cause irreversible damage too.


Vitamin D is very important! If you're not out in the sun a lot, make sure you take it!
Oh! I haven't been going out much these past few months let alone basking in the morning sun for some D. I guess that's the problem. Gotta get that D.
 
Thank you, voice of reason.

devilof76: I have constant ringing in my ears. I think it's related to sinusitis.

Doctor: Stop smoking.

devilof76: any other recommendations?

Doctor: ...
 
Of course there is. However, I don't think medicine is separated into camps of diet vs. pharmaceutical. I think the two camps are more akin to naturalist/anti-industrial medicine, and rational treatment based on the best available means.

That is your interpretation. However, the reality is that drug companies oppose the use of nutrition to prevent disease and to manage medical conditions.

They have proven this by backing legislation to regulate nutritional supplements as drugs and lowering the dosages so much that they are therapeutically ineffective. It also would force vitamin companies to do studies so expensive that few could afford it and would drive up the costs so high that few could afford it, all while lowering those dosages of the supplement to the consumer.

Drug companies pay for scientific studies that involve dosages of vitamins that are so low as to be ineffective and then say that nutritional supplements are worthless.

For example, they will do a study with vitamin E at 10 units a day for two years. 10 units a day won't do anything. People DID take vitamin E for 2 years and nothing happened. They do the same with other nutrients like coenzyme Q10, ect.
Drug companies oppose anything that could reduce their profits and use all the influence they can to discourage people from using diet or nutritional supplements.

Half the drugs the FDA approves are later banned as unsafe, as soon as the drug company makes a new version, which is just as unsafe, but is new.

The drug companies are opposed to diet and discourage natural healing.

Those in natural healing want choice and good information out there that people can use to help themselves, which is what the drug companies are steadfastly against.

The drug companies give lots of money to the medical schools, so they influence how medicine is taught.

People in natural medicine acknowledge the usefulness of drugs where needed, while drug companies always oppose natural healing and dietary approaches in order to protect their profits.

I oppose the drug company's opposition to choice and their support of dietary ignorance.

I also oppose the recommendation of drugs when diet could be used.

I oppose the reinforcing of the idea that dietary change is unnecessary and that drugs are the only way, and are completely safe.
I oppose the idea that using drugs is the normal or the right way when diet would work.



The issue is naturalist/pro choice medicine and pro industrialist/pro profit medicine in which long term health be damned as long as drug companies can make their money, and down with anything like natural healing or diet that gets in their way.

The drug companies use the media to ridicule natural healing and diet, to make it seem laughable when they don't claim it is ineffective by conducting bogus scientific studies designed to make the supplements or the natural methods seem to fail.
 
Then don't take anything ever that has any risks. You should do just fine.
Unfortunately, the human psychology....the average human psychology doesn't work that way. They* want something that'll make them feel better in the least amount of time possible even if it's gonna be risky in the long run.
 
Lifestyle change is always the first thing prescribed by a doctor. Unfortunately it's the one thing patients choose not to hear.

Yeah I’m guilty of that.
Pills I’m on help reduce the blood pressure apparently.
Exercise amd diet are the things I need to change.
 
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