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I wish they had a motorized quiver, a light up bow (check out the art of the avengers book) or a collapsable bow instead of two seperate versions.

Anyone of those three and I would snap it up. Its a shame because out of all the figures he was the one I wanted most.

Um... am I being really slow? The quiver with this figure is the motorised quiver from the movie, isn't it? It's just not really motorised? Is that the gripe here? Also getting an LED plus power source into a bow this tiny would be impossible.

Confused.
 
Um... am I being really slow? The quiver with this figure is the motorised quiver from the movie, isn't it? It's just not really motorised? Is that the gripe here? Also getting an LED plus power source into a bow this tiny would be impossible.

Confused.

He's actually talking about a real fully functional motorized quiver.
 
Wait, the batmobile doesn't actually have a functioning engine and drive train??? ...PASS!

As far as I know they are are cars that work like in the movie (they just do not have guns the fire anything). I have seen every batmobile since the 1940 one (that was just a plan car).
 
2. it's always the "pegwarmer" figures that nobody wants that end up skyrocketing in price later because no one picks him up.

I don't know about that. If that's how it works then I need to stock up on the Odins, Sweeney Todds, New Goblins, etc. because most of Hot Toys recent efforts have been peg warmers
 
After looking at the Art of the Avengers book I want to know if the Quiver will be colored like it is in the book. I also hope they figure out a way to do a folding bow.
 
He comes with an open one and an 'articulated' one, so it might be possible. Probably just them saying closed up :lol

I really would love to see them add his second outfit and head, but they'll save that for a V2/DX :lol
 
After looking at the Art of the Avengers book I want to know if the Quiver will be colored like it is in the book. I also hope they figure out a way to do a folding bow.

Yes, you mentioned before that such a device would be a deal breaker for you...it would be the decider on you getting it. Personally I don't think that you really want the HE figure at all (as others have already suggested), it's the impression you give off, based on such an unlikely desire as a light-up, functioning and collapsible bow with motorised quiver. Here's why...

I set myself, purely as an act of intellectual self interest, a small time-and-motion study to do what you suggested and considered how to make just a collapsing and lighting up bow.

In theory, it would be quite easy to make a bow that can 'fold out' from a collapsed to functional position. A couple of hinges here and there and so you have it. But it would look hideous because it would be difficult to disguise such a thing as a hinge and still have the required functionality at the 1/6 scale. The difficulty of this idea multiplies every time you add another hinge to the equation. Added to this, the body of the bow is a different shape, once the bow has been strung (excuse my poor art work)...

UnfoldingBow.png


So all that is just regarding the main arc of the bow. What about the bow string? For it to look good once opened, it will have to be at least semi-rigid...but how will that work out if you want to collapse the bow, it would look terrible. It would also be thicker and so be way out of scale. The alternative to this is a non-rigid string, a soft string. This would look fantastic and be in-scale when the bow is opened, but then look hideous and uncontrollable when in the closed position. It would look like an untidy and thready mess.

The lights, on the other hand, is where things get really ghastly and improbable. I am old enough to remember using 'pea-bulbs' when I wanted to light a model or toy. These days, LEDs make things much more neat and self contained - look at the repulsors in the various Iron-Man figures arms, chest and head - but these still need some space to function, particularly to house the power source and other vital bits and pieces. Where would these go regarding the bow? What space is there to work with, within the thin and in-scale boy of the bow?

You could have the power inside HE's body, with a connector at his hand. But if the wire runs up the inside of HE's hand/wrist/arm/shoulder then you get a figure 25% less articulation. Also, this does not even begin to address the fragility of the hand/bow electrical connection.

So the only other way is to run the power up his arm and hide it via his sleeve...except HE is a bare-armed figure and does not have sleeves. So that ruins that idea.

Why don't you just say that you don't really want the figure, instead of using this as a lame excuse to not buy it.
 
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When HT made the Abigale Whistler figure, they also included a collapsed bow and it could be unfolded to match the open bow. So I assume Hawkeye's can do the same.

As for making it light up, maybe the quiver could hold batteries in it and they could have a wire plug into the bow somewhere, similar to what they do with the Predators bio mask. It wouldn't be necessary to hide the wire it would still look cool. I know HT won't do any of this but it sounds like an interesting mod
 
Went ahead and PO'd Hawkeye for 2 big reasons

1. He's badass in the movie and essential to a HT Avengers lineup
2. it's always the "pegwarmer" figures that nobody wants that end up skyrocketing in price later because no one picks him up.

I'm not even close to being a fan of Hawkeye from the comics, but the movie really did a good job of making him, and BW for that matter, very relevant to the Avengers and their fight against the aliens.

Hell, I would be very useless to IM, Thor, CA and Hulk against an alien race of beings attacking the planet. :rotfl
 
I'm not even close to being a fan of Hawkeye from the comics, but the movie really did a good job of making him, and BW for that matter, very relevant to the Avengers and their fight against the aliens.

Hell, I would be very useless to IM, Thor, CA and Hulk against an alien race of beings attacking the planet. :rotfl

It's funny cause I've never really been a Marvel fan but this movie really made me look at the characters and Marvel in a different light. I've never read a Hawkeye story in my life but I really like his character in the movie so I'm getting the movie representation.
 
Yes, you mentioned before that such a device would be a deal breaker for you...it would be the decider on you getting it. Personally I don't think that you really want the HE figure at all (as others have already suggested), it's the impression you give off, based on such an unlikely desire as a light-up, functioning and collapsible bow with motorised quiver. Here's why...

I set myself, purely as an act of intellectual self interest, a small time-and-motion study to do what you suggested and considered how to make just a collapsing and lighting up bow.

In theory, it would be quite easy to make a bow that can 'fold out' from a collapsed to functional position. A couple of hinges here and there and so you have it. But it would look hideous because it would be difficult to disguise such a thing as a hinge and still have the required functionality at the 1/6 scale. The difficulty of this idea multiplies every time you add another hinge to the equation. Added to this, the body of the bow is a different shape, once the bow has been strung (excuse my poor art work)...

UnfoldingBow.png


So all that is just regarding the main arc of the bow. What about the bow string? For it to look good once opened, it will have to be at least semi-rigid...but how will that work out if you want to collapse the bow, it would look terrible. It would also be thicker and so be way out of scale. The alternative to this is a non-rigid string, a soft string. This would look fantastic and be in-scale when the bow is opened, but then look hideous and uncontrollable when in the closed position. It would look like an untidy and thready mess.

The lights, on the other hand, is where things get really ghastly and improbable. I am old enough to remember using 'pea-bulbs' when I wanted to light a model or toy. These days, LEDs make things much more neat and self contained - look at the repulsors in the various Iron-Man figures arms, chest and head - but these still need some space to function, particularly to house the power source and other vital bits and pieces. Where would these go regarding the bow? What space is there to work with, within the thin and in-scale boy of the bow?

You could have the power inside HE's body, with a connector at his hand. But if the wire runs up the inside of HE's hand/wrist/arm/shoulder then you get a figure 25% less articulation. Also, this does not even begin to address the fragility of the hand/bow electrical connection.

So the only other way is to run the power up his arm and hide it via his sleeve...except HE is a bare-armed figure and does not have sleeves. So that ruins that idea.

Why don't you just say that you don't really want the figure, instead of using this as a lame excuse to not buy it.

First off this WAS the main figure that I wanted. I have been a huge Hawkeye fan since my father passed me his Avengers collection back in 78. I loved the West Coast avengers and treasure his marrage to Bobbi (AKA Mockingbird) I was a little pissed off when Wanda decided to kill him, doing cartwheels when he came back and took on the Ronin persona. Im an even bigger fan of 616 Hawkeye when he interacts with the Young Avengers version.

So for you to tell me what I want and don't want is kinda lame. I think I have a right and I thought this was the place where I could voice my opinion about what I wanted to see.

Also last time I checked the figure was still a WIP. Maybe there is a snowballs chance in hell others might also want the same thing and someone at HT figures out a way to do it. Hell while I am at it lets get a motorized Quiver and an actual Grappling Arrow with string.

The real deal breaker for me was the fact that he didnt look more like Ultimate Avengers Hawkeye and his entire outfit while looking accurate to the movie was kind of meh it didn't do anything for me.

As for the Light who says it has to be an actual light? Maybe they could use something like Tritium illumination to give it a hint of a glow. Im sure as a major toy maker if they really put some effort and design into they COULD figure out how to make a folding bow. Hell I wouldnt be suprised if someone makes a custom one.

Also if you think he is bad ass in the movie he's twice as nasty as an assassain in the Ultimates Universe.
 
First off this WAS the main figure that I wanted. I have been a huge Hawkeye fan since my father passed me his Avengers collection back in 78. I loved the West Coast avengers and treasure his marrage to Bobbi (AKA Mockingbird) I was a little pissed off when Wanda decided to kill him, doing cartwheels when he came back and took on the Ronin persona. Im an even bigger fan of 616 Hawkeye when he interacts with the Young Avengers version.

So for you to tell me what I want and don't want is kinda lame. I think I have a right and I thought this was the place where I could voice my opinion about what I wanted to see.

By all means voice your opinion, but don't expect others to treat it as sacrosanct when what you say is clearly impossible. Right now HT are having a hard enough time producing a decent Thor HS, let's not burden them with 'moon on a stick' requests like this.

Also last time I checked the figure was still a WIP. Maybe there is a snowballs chance in hell others might also want the same thing and someone at HT figures out a way to do it. Hell while I am at it lets get a motorized Quiver and an actual Grappling Arrow with string.

However many people want this, it's not going to make it POSSIBLE! There is nowhere near enough space in that quiver to put even a power source, let alone the mechanism to rotate the shafts/heads, and even if they did it's barely noticeable in full size, it would be pointless doing it in 1/6th scale.

The real deal breaker for me was the fact that he didnt look more like Ultimate Avengers Hawkeye and his entire outfit while looking accurate to the movie was kind of meh it didn't do anything for me.

That's not what you said, you said it was the lack of motorised quiver, light up bow or collapsible bow that was the deal breaker for you. Don't go changing your story now.

As for the Light who says it has to be an actual light? Maybe they could use something like Tritium illumination to give it a hint of a glow. Im sure as a major toy maker if they really put some effort and design into they COULD figure out how to make a folding bow. Hell I wouldnt be suprised if someone makes a custom one.

I think you missed the point of the feasibility study above - not only would it be impossible to create in 1/6 scale a bow that pops open ready for use with the flick of a wrist, it would be impossible IN REAL LIFE! The bow and string have to be under tension for the bow to work, otherwise it would just be a floppy mess. The hinges and so on in a bow like the one on screen would make it simply unfeasible.

Also if you think he is bad ass in the movie he's twice as nasty as an assassain in the Ultimates Universe.

Then I look forward to the Hawkeye/Black Widow/SHIELD movie and Avengers 2.
 
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