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[Tony Stark]

Do tell.

The Na'vi have a no-harm policy regarding the natural environment, yet:

-they kill fauna for food (if they were really dedicated, they'd at least be vego), and
-they possess and take control of the wildlife through their special bond, thereby robbing the wildlife of free will.

Roll'd. :chew

 

[Khev]

The Na'vi have a no-harm policy regarding the natural environment

Whatever gave you that idea?

 

[8th wonder]

=Tony Stark;2509175]The Na'vi have a no-harm policy regarding the natural environment, yet:

-they kill fauna for food (if they were really dedicated, they'd at least be vego), and

The Na' Vi only kill when it is absolutely necesarry, namely for food and self defence.

The Na' Vi look cat-like; meaning they probably evolved from a predator-like species, i wonder if a completely vegetarian diet is even possible for them.

Plus all spirits go to Eywa and all beings are brothers. The energy of living beings is being borrowed and passed on.

The reason Neytiri was sad about killing the hyena-creatures was not because the Na' Vi have a no-harm policy, it was because the attack could be avoided with some knowledge of the forest therefor making these unnecessary kills very sad.

-they possess and take control of the wildlife through their special bond, thereby robbing the wildlife of free will.

It's not robbing them from free will, there must be a common understanding between the two creatures. Sahelu can only work if the two spirits see/choose eachother (the Ikran returns to the hunter with his own free will). That's why Jake's first connection with the horse-like creature did not work at all.

The ikran for example chooses the hunter by trying to kill him/her to see if they are even worthy of sahelu.

 

[Centrocal]

That whole thing where they link up with another animal was so stupid, i just could get past it.

It didn't make any sense, even if they are aliens, why would another species develop the same trait to allow them to connect with a group of beings for no other purpose than to serve as a vehicle for them, like some videogame.

" Okay look, now that we're in vehicle mode, I can see your stats and you can see my stats. Also we can trade loot from our inventory without switching menus! "

 

[Darren Carnall]

That whole thing where they link up with another animal was so stupid, i just could get past it.

you mean you could'nt get past it?

anyway.. with these figures I don't care about the scale, 12" 14" or 16". Whatever. For virtually all of the film because of the atmostphere the Na'vi had no contact with normal sized humans.. and so when watching the film they might as well have been 6' tall.... you couldnt tell at all how tall they were, until you saw one of the few scenes were there was a human for scale. But for all of the Jaki-navi Neytiri scenes... it was just the two of them. And when being filmed they basically looked human scale.

Now if you're specifically planning to display your Navi next to human characters from the film? then yeah... that's what you'd want.

I just can't think how I'd display these figures if they were as tall as some of you are wanting. most people's shelves are set up to accomodate 14" figures at the most. what would you do with larger ones?

 

[Eamon]

Totally off topic of the figure but is anybody esle a bit of an evolution nerd?

If so, did anything about Avatar strike you are totally wrong in terms of the animals?

 

[wookster]

You mean the double forearms?

 

[Maglor]

The Na'vi have a no-harm policy regarding the natural environment, yet:

-they kill fauna for food (if they were really dedicated, they'd at least be vego), and
-they possess and take control of the wildlife through their special bond, thereby robbing the wildlife of free will.

1) Do mean to suggest that Native Americans disrespected their natural environment? Have you ever seen Dances With Wolves? Did you relate more to the white man, because they were 'less hypocritical'? The Natives killed the buffalo that they needed, and they used every part of the animal. The white man came in and killed off whole herds just for the skin. See the difference?

2)As far as 'taking control of the wildlife': They were just communing with the planes as a whole, using the wildlife as a "phone line", if I remember right.

 

[Eamon]

You mean the double forearms?

Yeah! The Naavi have four limbs but every other big life form has six.
So this leads me to believe that the Navi are of a different evolutionary three than everything esle on Pandora.
All big earth life forms have four limbs as we are all basically from the same thing.
Maybe evolution was had more breaks on Pandora that on Earth?!

Or it could just be that Cameron didn't care that much and just wanted cool looking creatures.

 

[uscmhicks]

I remember a guy in Empire ( or maybe total film ) who knew everything about evolution was talking about how the animals shouldn't really have 6 legs or something like that.
I wouldn't have a clue though personally.

 

[ChaserFan]

All big earth life forms have four limbs as we are all basically from the same thing.

We are!? Why wasn't I informed about this?

 

[HottoyzJoker]

Wow lets get back on topic here shall we??? I enjoyed the movie yes but I could care less about all the crap you guys have brought up... Who cares about any of this stuff??? You guys have way to much time on your hands your are taking apart a movie... Its meant to be a form of entertainment... It had its moment back when I saw it the first time... Now its over... Lets get back on figures here... Maybe well get some pics soon I hope... Im getting tried of pageing through all this usless junk...

 

[Eamon]

Wow lets get back on topic here shall we??? I enjoyed the movie yes but I could care less about all the crap you guys have brought up... Who cares about any of this stuff??? You guys have way to much time on your hands your are taking apart a movie... Its meant to be a form of entertainment... It had its moment back when I saw it the first time... Now its over... Lets get back on figures here... Maybe well get some pics soon I hope... Im getting tried of pageing through all this usless junk...

Keep your panties on man, just making conversation until we actually have some figures to discuss!

 

[prefused]

Yeah! The Naavi have four limbs but every other big life form has six.
So this leads me to believe that the Navi are of a different evolutionary three than everything esle on Pandora.
All big earth life forms have four limbs as we are all basically from the same thing.
Maybe evolution was had more breaks on Pandora that on Earth?!

yeah, i wondered the exact same thing. and it still doesn't make sense.

but then i remembered...

Or it could just be that Cameron didn't care that much and just wanted cool looking creatures.

that.

to put it politely, his movies in general aren't meant for the casual science enthusiast.
if you over-think a Cameron movie, you won't enjoy it. Avatar isn't Primer or even Moon.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Im getting tried of pageing through all this usless junk...

Then don't come into the thread.

Title has movie spoilers in brackets, indicating there will be movie discussion here. Deal with it.

 

[HottoyzJoker]

Then don't come into the thread.

Title has movie spoilers in brackets, indicating there will be movie discussion here. Deal with it.

I enter any thread that I want... Ill complain about any subject in any thread that I dont like...

 

[Cap'n Cook]

I enter any thread that I want... Ill complain about any subject in any thread that I dont like...

OK, but don't expect everyone to heed your complaints when you tell them 'I'm tired of this stuff' and 'lets get back on topic here'.

Will complain about any posts I want.


Regardless, I look forward to seeing these, in scale or not. Probably will get Quatrich if he gets a good likeness.

 

[Eamon]

to put it politely, his movies in general aren't meant for the casual science enthusiast.
if you over-think a Cameron movie, you won't enjoy it. Avatar isn't Primer or even Moon.

Oh gosh yeah!
Stuff like this doesn't spoil the movie or my love of the world created.

I watch a lot of nature and science stuff so I was curious if anybody esle saw that rather innocent discrepency.

Though I'd still like to hear what an evolutionary biologist would say.

Same with the some of the landscape features.

Those big ring rock formations look like magnetic fields frozen but in rock.
Maybe gravitational pulls of the sourounding planets cause the floating mountains?
BS I know, but things like that I noticed on DVD viewing got me wondering how feasable Pandora is.

(never even heard of Primer but I love Moon. any good?)

 

[prefused]

Oh gosh yeah!
Stuff like this doesn't spoil the movie or my love of the world created.

I watch a lot of nature and science stuff so I was curious if anybody esle saw that rather innocent discrepency.

Though I'd still like to hear what an evolutionary biologist would say.

Same with the some of the landscape features.

whatever flicks your bean.
i had to keep reminding myself to ignore high school biology/physics and just watch the pretty pictures.

Those big ring rock formations look like magnetic fields frozen but in rock.
Maybe gravitational pulls of the sourounding planets cause the floating mountains?
BS I know, but things like that I noticed on DVD viewing got me wondering how feasable Pandora is.

yeah, i think they hinted at that when it showed their sensor readouts going haywire as they approached the mountains.
it might have more to do with its proximity to the gas giant, but i'm over-thinking this again.

(never even heard of Primer but I love Moon. any good?)

it's amazing. and exceptionally well made considering the tiny budget. but definitely not for everyone.
i'm a big physics/quantum mechanics nerd so i probably get more out of it than someone who isnt' so much.
worth a rental if you're into classic character-driven scifi that's heavy on dialogue and theory.
(i.e. there are no big cg effects or battles) here's the trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CC60HJvZRE

 

[Biojex]

heh I saw an interview with cameron where he addressed a few of the stuff here, basically he just said they had to take liberties with a few things

The Navi didnt have six limbs because it would be hard for the actors to mo-cap their performances with having to compensate for another two limbs.

again with the floating mountains they took "liberties". Technically it's feasible, he mentioned something about those magnetic trains in Japan that float a bit above the tracks because of the magnetism but basically the amount of magnetism needed to lift those mountains would be enough to rip the hemoglobin right out of your blood. They just decided "not to deal with it"

so basically they just did things for movies sake.

but please don't let me stop you from talking about the science of it and such, I understand it's fun to do, I do it all the time. I'm just sharing information, that's all

*runs away*