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[princeraph]

So the Black Widow movie has found its director:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...w-movie-be-directed-by-cate-shortland-1126708

But it is said to be a prequel set before the first Avengers film!

Have they not learned anything from Solo?

*sigh*

So will we know what happened in Budapest?

Will we see Phil Coulson ?

 

[Malgus]

Well that's disappointing, a bit. I mean in the sense that Marvel - according to the article - was deliberately looking for female directors. IMO it's not the sex or color or whatever of the director that's important. FIRST thing needs to be story, and tone of the story. And the director or directors that can make it happen.

Although Marvel/Feige are pretty protective of their properties.

At least it's moving forward tho. I was hoping for a gritty, badass movie if this happened. With some Winter Soldier for sure, and Hawkeye. Or are they going to get a different cast - which IMO would suck. Too bad this won't be an R movie.

Wether directed by a male, female or transgender the movie is going to be typical MCU crap. BS romantic movie with some action thrown in.

 

[Sidewinder]

Didn't even realise they were finally making a Black Widow solo movie lol

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[kurisuchie2kimi]

I actually don't mind the idea of a prequel, or standalone story with prequel elements. It gives a chance for Natasha to have her own story outside of being an Avenger, and without having to tie into the present day stories of the MCU - especially given that we as fans don't know what'll happen in A4. For all we know, she could be killed off in A4, then we couldn't really have a post-A4 Black Widow movie, could we?

 

[Starfleet Captain]

Spoiler

If she dies in A4, then this prequel movie will be an exact copy of Solo!!! LOL!

 

[ArtDamage]

I'm not opposed to the idea out the gate, but only prequel story i'd be interested in would be a winter soldier/black widow story. They didn't really indicate they had a past together though so I doubt thats what we 'll get.

 

[Starfleet Captain]

I'm not opposed to the idea out the gate, but only prequel story i'd be interested in would be a winter soldier/black widow story. They didn't really indicate they had a past together though so I doubt thats what we 'll get.

Well, they sort of did in CW, when WS was escaping in Germany after being triggered by Zemo. WS has his hand on her throat, about to choke her to death and she gasped,”You don’t remember me?”, before BP sans outfit engaged him.

 

[RaZaTrOn]

I was always hoping if we got a Black Widow film it would be set in the present day between Avengers adventures with flashbacks to her past. I envisioned her and Bucky going after folks behind the Red Room which had ties to them both.

Excited to see what we get though, always enjoyed Natasha's solo outings in the comics.

 

[hottoyskyle]

Would love to see black widow and Hawkeye movie team up.

 

[skizzoid]

Well, they sort of did in CW, when WS was escaping in Germany after being triggered by Zemo. WS has his hand on her throat, about to choke her to death and she gasped,”You don’t remember me?”, before BP sans outfit engaged him.

I took that as a reference to when he shot through her to get to his target (bye bye, bikini) or even to the events in TWS (i.e., the highway chase), which he would definitely still remember in CW. A more extended backstory is still possible (Red Room brainwashing or some such), but that's all we've gotten so far between Bucky and BW in the movies.

Also, I love your signature line, but it was actually "At long last is lasting a little long, boys." He gets a lot of hate these days, but I've always been a fan of Joss Whedon and the way he plays with language. That particular line is a ton of fun (I may have even used it in real life...).

 

[Sassafras]

I took that as a reference to when he shot through her to get to his target (bye bye, bikini) or even to the events in TWS (i.e., the highway chase), which he would definitely still remember in CW. A more extended backstory is still possible (Red Room brainwashing or some such), but that's all we've gotten so far between Bucky and BW in the movies.

Also, I love your signature line, but it was actually "At long last is lasting a little long, boys." He gets a lot of hate these days, but I've always been a fan of Joss Whedon and the way he plays with language. That particular line is a ton of fun (I may have even used it in real life...).

Yeah, re the upcoming BW movie, in connection with the Red Room tho I've bashed Whedon for the farmhouse thing and NatBruce - IMO he did some good stuff in Ultron. Red Room was creepy/sinister - even Nat's handlers. Vision, the twins, and it's a cohesive story whether there's stuff I like it or not. Some great lines.

Re the CW line Joe Russo played coy when asked about it. Never clarified. Guess it was one of those things Marvel was leaving the door open for. So in theory a director could pick up on Nat/Bucky - depending. I'd have to hope for some MCU coordination 'coz if through IW2 Nat hadn't even had a conversation with Bucky, or at least about Bucky but there's a prequel where they had a relationship - just too weird.

Tho I could see where WS is a side role in this film - maybe he trains her, maybe meeting Bucky is where it sinks in just what it means for her e.g. how robot-like he is (or she sees him tortured); maybe it's just the shooting. E.g. no romance at all but Bucky is a catalyst that gets her thinking and later Hawkeye convinces her to bail on Hydra.

 

[Motuxmen]

It would be strange to have them have no previous contact and then suddenly where in a relationship. That said, it could be explained by the whole masked identity thing. Her not knowing Bucky was the WS till cap pulled the mask. I mean cap didn’t know it was Bucky till he pulled the mask and they where inch’s apart and so far the WS only shot Nat from a distance till the events seen in WS. It would be a good way to retcon it in. Only way really.

 

[ArtDamage]

It would be strange to have them have no previous contact and then suddenly where in a relationship. That said, it could be explained by the whole masked identity thing. Her not knowing Bucky was the WS till cap pulled the mask. I mean cap didn’t know it was Bucky till he pulled the mask and they where inch’s apart and so far the WS only shot Nat from a distance till the events seen in WS. It would be a good way to retcon it in. Only way really.

I could live with that. I know people said in cw she says the "you could at least recognize me" line as a reference, but it just doesn't really line up with how she speaks about winter soldier in TWS.

Its possible maybe nat wasn't telling rogers the whole truth when asked about winter soldier as they didn't really fully trust each other yet. I could also live that. Would really like to see a background of the two of them operating for Russian and in turn hydra.

 

[gmoney5000]

I could live with that. I know people said in cw she says the "you could at least recognize me" line as a reference, but it just doesn't really line up with how she speaks about winter soldier in TWS.

Its possible maybe nat wasn't telling rogers the whole truth when asked about winter soldier as they didn't really fully trust each other yet. I could also live that. Would really like to see a background of the two of them operating for Russian and in turn hydra.

You guys are overthinking it. It's in reference to TWS. Simple as that. I can see how you guys could interpret it differently, but it's simply not that.

 

[Motuxmen]

I didn’t say otherwise, and he said directly it was about the previous encounter mentioned in tws.

The discussion was about how they could get Bucky into her film. Pretty hard to believe that the two baddest russian agents never crossed paths. And given the comic background of both characters it would make sense to at least reference Bucky in her film. It’s like Fury in Captain marvel. Given the history already established for his character doesn’t make a lot of sense he had this pager to get help the whole time and never used it. But they retcon it in. Give double meanings to previous stuff. We where discussing how it could be handled with widow and Bucky in her film and not really what she meant in CW, as that line at that moment was pretty clear.

 

[kurisuchie2kimi]

Another thing that could be interpreted differently with a history between Nat and Winter/Bucky, is her reaction in TWS when Steve tells her about the person who shot Fury. The way she physically reacts when Steve says "[he] Had a metal arm", that to me doesn't look like a "That's the guy that shot me" moment, a spy remembering an encounter with another operative, that to me looked like a taken aback, "oh my god it's him" moment. Even if there was no romance between them in the Red Room like in the comics, even if it was just training - it's a little hard to forget a guy with a metal arm. In that scene, where she physically reacts, Nat was already in a vulnerable position because of Fury being on the operating table. She was emotional, worked up, and didn't react to the news about the shooter like a spy would. When she talks to Steve about Winter later, she's got her spy mask back on. She's in control again. Just because she acted like she only knew him as an operative from a previous mission to Steve's face, doesn't necessarily mean she wasn't hiding things from him - especially her own past.

 

[supermarvel1]

I see Marvel is on this deaging kick, but doesn't it take away from any risk of death in the movie? We already know who lives and dies unless they introduce new characters, and at this point how invested will anyone be in them?

 

[Sassafras]

I see Marvel is on this deaging kick, but doesn't it take away from any risk of death in the movie? We already know who lives and dies unless they introduce new characters, and at this point how invested will anyone be in them?

IMO it's not necessary for characters to die to be invested in them, for me. Like IMO how gawd-awful it is that Tony is telling friggin' CAPTAIN AMERICA to "stay down" at the end of CW - I mean, not for a second did I think he'd actually kill Cap but just that he was willing to blast him hard enough to maim him, just to kill Bucky. The whole relationship breakdown for me was wrenching.

I'm invested because of the characters, the actors that play them, script, editing, etc. Just sayin', "dying" doesn't necessarily do anything for me- like Pietro- where it just seemed like BS for effect. Stuff like that throws me out of the film.

IW's neat breakdowns were IMO either predictable or irritating - for me. Still are as *statistically* it makes no sense and too convenient.

Another thing that could be interpreted differently with a history between Nat and Winter/Bucky, is her reaction in TWS when Steve tells her about the person who shot Fury. The way she physically reacts when Steve says "[he] Had a metal arm", that to me doesn't look like a "That's the guy that shot me" moment, a spy remembering an encounter with another operative, that to me looked like a taken aback, "oh my god it's him" moment. Even if there was no romance between them in the Red Room like in the comics, even if it was just training - it's a little hard to forget a guy with a metal arm. In that scene, where she physically reacts, Nat was already in a vulnerable position because of Fury being on the operating table. She was emotional, worked up, and didn't react to the news about the shooter like a spy would. When she talks to Steve about Winter later, she's got her spy mask back on. She's in control again. Just because she acted like she only knew him as an operative from a previous mission to Steve's face, doesn't necessarily mean she wasn't hiding things from him - especially her own past.

That's a good point. I still think "you could at least remember me" could be interpreted a lot of ways - esp. by CW when Nat would have had time to think more, remember things, remember things maybe she wanted to leave behind, too. And knowing the comics - the Russos did that deliberately, leaving potential doors open for future films. Or Joe Russo would have just said it was a TWS reference when asked.

I figure discussions for future films go on years before the public ever hears a thing about it. Things get explored and discarded.

 

[Josette]

IMO it's not necessary for characters to die to be invested in them, for me. Like IMO how gawd-awful it is that Tony is telling friggin' CAPTAIN AMERICA to "stay down" at the end of CW - I mean, not for a second did I think he'd actually kill Cap but just that he was willing to blast him hard enough to maim him, just to kill Bucky. The whole relationship breakdown for me was wrenching.

I'm invested because of the characters, the actors that play them, script, editing, etc. Just sayin', "dying" doesn't necessarily do anything for me- like Pietro- where it just seemed like BS for effect. Stuff like that throws me out of the film.

I'm definitely the same. I don't get invested due to stakes, but characters. And if I'm invested in characters I'm not into killing them off for said stakes. I also think there are other ways to create drama and danger without death. That's not say they can never kill any characters, but since characters are what keep me coming back, killing too many for shock value or so called "stakes" (which often times come across as "look how edgy we are!")...my interest falls. Replacements can be hit or miss.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Black Widow movie because I've been wanting her to get her own film since the first Avengers movie, and her backstory is interesting. I'm already invested in her character 100%. Look forward to seeing the other characters like presumably Fury, Hawkeye, etc...come into play, there, too. I would LOVE for Bucky to be in the BW film (I love Bucky/Nat in the comics).

 

[kurisuchie2kimi]

I'm definitely the same. I don't get invested due to stakes, but characters. And if I'm invested in characters I'm not into killing them off for said stakes. I also think there are other ways to create drama and danger without death. That's not say they can never kill any characters, but since characters are what keep me coming back, killing too many for shock value or so called "stakes" (which often times come across as "look how edgy we are!")...my interest falls. Replacements can be hit or miss.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Black Widow movie because I've been wanting her to get her own film since the first Avengers movie, and her backstory is interesting. I'm already invested in her character 100%. Look forward to seeing the other characters like presumably Fury, Hawkeye, etc...come into play, there, too. I would LOVE for Bucky to be in the BW film (I love Bucky/Nat in the comics).

I feel exactly the same. I love these films, I always have, but when we saw the Maximoff twins in the mid credits of TWS, I almost screamed in the theatre, I was SO excited to see my two faves from my childhood come to life on screen. And then they killed Pietro. Don't get me wrong, I still love the movies and get excited for them, but I did lose a little interest after that. I find myself wondering how he would've fit in, how Wanda's story would've developed with her twin by her side, not without. Because for supposedly killing off Pietro to further Wanda's story? They surely haven't made good on that idea. So for me it was a waste: licensing issues or whatever made them kill him off, still a total waste of building up (my) excitement over Quicksilver, then ripping him away. So I'm in total agreement over valuing character over stakes. I see these movies for the characters, how they change and develop and adapt to the story as it changes around them. Not to see the risk of "oh my god someone might die!" that doesn't interest me one bit. It's the characters that I'm invested in.