Hot Toys - Batman 1989 - Michael Keaton

[jye4ever]

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Just looking at that photo of the Batman & Robin car makes it look like a pretty damn good Batmobile... i've never seen it without all the stupid lights and neon everywhere.

With muted colour it looks really nice.

Awesome stuff, thanks for posting them

The Forever car does look better w/o all the stupid lights.....but still not a pimple on the 89's ass

I don't like the seperate wheel housing, and who can forget the stupid blue flame continously coming out even when just parallel parking

I don't mind that the Tumbler took a break from the Bat design elements....

I'm sure Warner Bros also wanted nothing to resemble the previous 2 movies

 

[The Mike]

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The Toynami Batwing is 23" inches long by 28" wide, basically 1:1, finding a space like that would be trickier.

True but in my experience most ship collectors find ways to "skymount" them, as to hang them from wire from the ceiling. A lot of model ships come with small parts and pockets to allow the rigging on the top, I've even seen some angled so you could see both top and bottom detail. Depending on what you are planning to do with it, a Batwing might be more space friendly "skymounted" than a Batmobile parked on a shelf.

 

[The Mike]

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I don't mind that the Tumbler took a break from the Bat design elements....I'm sure Warner Bros also wanted nothing to resemble the previous 2 movies

It was Nolan's call. Remember in Begins he is first becoming Batman, you would imagine that he wouldn't just plaster bats over everything and keeping them off keeps to the real world aspects where everything wouldn't be Batlabeled. It's a kitchy, corny aspect of our childhoods but it's just that. Also the "tank" design was meant to push the "war on crime" metaphor even further.

I'm interested to see what Nolan does for a vehicle in The Dark Knight Rises since this should be Batman setting himself up firmly to continue his battle in Gotham.

 

[MaulFan]

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The Forever car does look better w/o all the stupid lights

For me, the lights are what makes it work, without them, I'm not a big fan.

I'm sure Warner Bros also wanted nothing to resemble the previous 2 movies

I don't think Warner was necessarily behind it, I think it was just Nolan's design team and direction with the story. While I don't feel like it has the kinship of the traditional Batmobiles, it is perfect for how Nolan is telling the story. I love that Nolan made Bruce Wayne a character who needs other people and resources to get all this stuff. I never really bought into the notion of Wayne being able to do everything, like in Returns, Bruce and Alfred make and repair the Batmobile, just doesn't seem likely to me.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

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I would never be confident enough to skymount a HT Batwing.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

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One thing I do love about the Tumbler is the obvious connotations to the batmobile in TDKR.

 

[MaulFan]

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I'm interested to see what Nolan does for a vehicle in The Dark Knight Rises since this should be Batman setting himself up firmly to continue his battle in Gotham.

I want to see a new Batmobile, but I hope the Batpod is still around, the shots in TDK are some of my most favorite vehicle Batman shots in all the movies, something so cool about the cape flapping in the wind as he races around. The '89 movie has some great Bamobile shots though.

 

[jye4ever]

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It was Nolan's call. Remember in Begins he is first becoming Batman, you would imagine that he wouldn't just plaster bats over everything and keeping them off keeps to the real world aspects where everything wouldn't be Batlabeled. It's a kitchy, corny aspect of our childhoods but it's just that. Also the "tank" design was meant to push the "war on crime" metaphor even further.

I'm interested to see what Nolan does for a vehicle in The Dark Knight Rises since this should be Batman setting himself up firmly to continue his battle in Gotham.

I say good call by Nolan then

 

[Corporal Dwayne Hicks]

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I'm interested to see what Nolan does for a vehicle in The Dark Knight Rises since this should be Batman setting himself up firmly to continue his battle in Gotham.

I can't see a Batmobile appearing in Nolans universe ... my quess for vehicle would be another tumbler with slight alteration perhaps.

 

[jye4ever]

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For me, the lights are what makes it work, without them, I'm not a big fan.

I don't think Warner was necessarily behind it, I think it was just Nolan's design team and direction with the story. While I don't feel like it has the kinship of the traditional Batmobiles, it is perfect for how Nolan is telling the story. I love that Nolan made Bruce Wayne a character who needs other people and resources to get all this stuff. I never really bought into the notion of Wayne being able to do everything, like in Returns, Bruce and Alfred make and repair the Batmobile, just doesn't seem likely to me.

Yes and No...valid points nonetheless.....I guess one can imagine that 89 Batman has engineers behind the scene working oh his car, maybe they built it for him and he had no say in it (like the Tumbler) but I kinda enjoy the mystery behind the 89 car. No explanation where it came from and who works on it...it's just there, it just exists...nothing to know about it other than it's his and it's bad ass!

But I agree that for the new movies, it doesn't hurt the story knowing that he needs others.

 

[MaulFan]

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See in '89, there was mystery, but then in Returns, the shots and dialogue about Bruce and Alfred having to fix it and having no one they can go to for help establishes the idea that those two make everything Batman uses. Mystery is cool, but, if you're going to explain it, I much prefer Nolan's "need help" approach to the idea that Bruce can do everything.

 

[jye4ever]

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See in '89, there was mystery, but then in Returns, the shots and dialogue about Bruce and Alfred having to fix it and having no one they can go to for help establishes the idea that those two make everything Batman uses. Mystery is cool, but, if you're going to explain it, I much prefer Nolan's "need help" approach to the idea that Bruce can do everything.

Ohhhh........Returns.....then yes.....if explaining it all then by all means open it up to utilize Wayne's wealth to show how things get done, well said.

Sorry, didn't catch onto the Returns angle because I kinda have that movie blocked out of my mind

I'm not a huge Returns fan...for me it's 89 then BB and TDK.

Returns kinda traumatized me in the theater after 89.

Not Superman 3-4 or Forever and B&R trauma mind you but trauma nonetheless....

I don't subscribe to the whole cult following that Returns has

 

[The Mike]

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In the comics, in the Golden/Silver/Bronze ages Batman or Alfred were the only ones to actually do anything Batrelated. Alfred even less than people assume. There are even panels of Batman in full costume repairing the Batmobile with mechanic's tools and grease all over him. In the Modern Age, writers have changed it to Batman (not Bruce Wayne) having a small stable of people he goes to for help, mechanics, engineers, in the Hush storyline it was even used against him.

So the difference is just evident of what we saw in the books they are using for reference. In 1989 Batman did most in the books. In 2008 he needed others. The movies reflect that.

 

[MaulFan]

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I don't subscribe to the whole cult following that Returns has

What I don't subscribe to is the classification of Returns being darker than '89 in story, equal maybe, but I feel like '89 is the grimmer of the two, especially when you get some of the silly Penguin stuff, I don't mind it, but hard to feel that movie is darker. The Joker's silly antics were also gruesome. The buzzer gag was silly, but the end result was a fried corpse. The Penguin steering the Batmobile was funny, but nothing dark about it.

 

[jye4ever]

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What I don't subscribe to is the classification of Returns being darker than '89 in story, equal maybe, but I feel like '89 is the grimmer of the two, especially when you get some of the silly Penguin stuff, I don't mind it, but hard to feel that movie is darker. The Joker's silly antics were also gruesome. The buzzer gag was silly, but the end result was a fried corpse. The Penguin steering the Batmobile was funny, but nothing dark about it.

Yeah, I agree.

Both are Dark....but 89 is also exciting, fun, funny, thrilling and not boring...you name the positives and it has it in spades!

Returns.......umm.....she looked really hot as Catwoman I'll give it that....and some of the Batman stuff was cool......but the rest was just ok.....not ____ like the next 2...but just ok.

 

[MaulFan]

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Yeah, even as a little kid a I dug Pfeifer in that Catwoman costume.

 

[EVILFACE]

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For me, the lights are what makes it work, without them, I'm not a big fan.

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The Tumbler owns that monstrosity.

While the Tumbler could be from any futuristic movie, it's the perfect vehicle that Batman would use in the realistic world Nolan has created.

As for the best, gotta go with Barris.

 

[Voorhees27]

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GTO Brutha!

 

[vodoun]

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[William Shatners Toupee]

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The biggest difference between the two Burton Batman movies is said pretty succinctly in the "making of" commentaries. "Batman" was a Batman movie directed by Tim Burton, where he was reigned in by the studios mythology wise, but to get him back, Returns was a Burton film where he was allowed to do whatever he wanted with the bat characters in it, no adhering to mythology.

Laugh- And didn't that bite the studios in the ass?

Returns IS Darker just because at the start of the movie Penguin is already a child murderer then he wants to later slaughter all of Gothams first born. It's certainly more adult just through it's dialogue and innuendo. And yeah, then it gets kind of silly with Penguins goons kidnapping all the kids in a duck train (laugh). Nothings perfect man!

Batman Returns just has this whole vibe that pulls me into that Gotham world and grips me. There is just a whole romance to the way Burton created that world. (And I like the Batman costume better than the one than from '89.).

Returns is definitely a movie where I think people either love it or hate it.