Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & Pics

[DrQ2]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

I agree with you that when things start falling apart and words like fanboy, apologist, ***sucker are thrown around, it diminishes any kind of mature conversation and turns off a lot of people that just want to discuss things related to their interests. I've been there before, the moment things get out of hand, I go to another board.

But so far, I feel this hasn't happened. In fact, I've mentioned Before that this is the first time many are this united...you being a member here, I'm sure you noticed this as well. And if we can take this consensus and somehow forward it to HT, I don't know if anything will happen, but in the off chance that they're willingness to appease fans can go beyond that of adjusting head sculpts, what harm can come of it. No one gets hurt and we all win. HT still makes bank and the fans will appreciate them even more. I mean just because one company is being a-holes doesn't mean another should follow suit.

I'm not gonna lie, I want this set, but I refuse to buy it at this price point. I urge others to do the same.

You may have not participated in complaining to HT about likeness, but because of those that have, the fact of the matter is, you benefit from it, it's the damn truth that NO ONE can deny.

Just a side note, I too have Takaras batman. In fact I had 3 (gave one away to my cousin). I too still love it despite advancements HT have made. It was a quality product for its time and easily outshone both medicom and HTs offering during its release.

You may laugh at the civil rights comparison I made, but it makes it no less true. The quiet ones never get anything done, thats fact.

of course you have those that abuse that right...but thats another topic for another time.

look, im well aware There are other things to worry about in this world...but this is why we have hobbies. We play games, watch movies, buy action figures. It's an escape from reality because with the way things are now, reality sucks.

We collectors are passionate about these things, and once again, if our voices can make change for the better, why not? As long as its civil, I'm all for it.

The problem with most of us on this board. We say this and that but in the end we buy it. Just look at what I had to say about the Mark 1. I hate it, I think its looks like a walking junk POS, I don't need to own everything in a line. Yet I did buy it, but I did not buy the EX. Save the shipping. Once in hand I like it, well made, not a bad thing to say about it other then. I still think its a Walking Junk POS.

SSC and Hot Toys do give us a item that is of value. I am sure this item has it value and those that say they will not buy it. Will buy it. We vent, this is all this is. We are just venting.

Just remember the machine that makes these cost over 2 million. The Die's can cost up to $100,000. Plus add cost. I am sure the person who came up with the hall for the movie is really happy now. As he will now see money. I know this 1st hand.

Oh, and they are made in China. Back Door items.

 

[DrQ2]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

I understand, but the license owners do care about their licenses and therefore any product that might give the license a bad name would be seen as a bad publicity. HT might even stand to lose the license if they keep doing stuff like these Hall of Armor collectibles which we can tell from the poll done on the other thread that it won't sell very well due to the asking price. Unless of course the licensors had a say in this. Which would make all the difference in the world.

But I stood my ground on what I said yesterday: I blame Disney because we know that their business MO is best described as money-grabbing and this collectibles is a reflection of that.

Na, your talking from the side of a collector not as a owner. There will not be any bad PR from this. The poll here is not a real poll. Disney is a business, they need to keep their books in the black not the red. We can go around all day and night about this. But in the end. It was Disney who paid how many BILLIONS for the rights?

The main issue is we as correctors have been waiting for these for sometime now. We ask Hot Toys to make them and they made them (or the other person did and they bought it from him). It's safe to say if your going to spend $250 for a Mark 7. Your going to spend $130 for this.

 

[yongkykun]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

Well, not exactly. Also, when you pay billions for rights, you expect trillions in return. That's how the business rolls. That's why they were interested in Marvel, because the movies bring huge revenue from tickets, home videos, merchandising, etc. and now it's theirs.

What? I didn't know that they made this line because of fans demanding them. It's a different case altogether then. Of course they'd charge $130, because they don't know whether they have a market for this apart from the fans. The price is set as a fail-safe. I mean, I would do the exact same thing!

 

[DrQ2]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

Well, not exactly. Also, when you pay billions for rights, you expect trillions in return. That's how the business rolls. That's why they were interested in Marvel, because the movies bring huge revenue from tickets, home videos, merchandising, etc. and now it's theirs.

What? I didn't know that they made this line because of fans demanding them. It's a different case altogether then. Of course they'd charge $130, because they don't know whether they have a market for this apart from the fans. The price is set as a fail-safe. I mean, I would do the exact same thing!

From what I have seen. Most add on items seem to have a high price (See SW/GI Joe). They get discounted after sometime. The fan's that wanted them will buy them at the price. Then after sometime they will sell later on at a discount. We are good for another 3 suits from IM3.

People are getting worked up for nothing.

 

[yongkykun]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

True. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Highlyfueled]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

Don't forget it is the public that puts hot toys and companies like sideshow in the limelight

 

[yongkykun]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

To be fair, it was first and foremost the artists working at HT. Without them, HT wouldn't be the company we know today. Recognition comes from the beautiful works they've done. The rest lies in the hands of the fans.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

This is what is frustrating. Saying "oh they're are a business, they don't owe us anything, people will buy it if they charged $200 per piece blah blah blah"...that kind of thinking leads me to believe that those individuals feel like they are above those that do complain. They don't want to get roped in with the "freaks" as morph would label them. So rather than complain about the company doing something wrong here (which they very clearly are), they instead come here and either complain about the complainers or worse, make fun of them.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. We ALL KNOW HT ARE A BUSINESS. WE KNOW THEY'RE OBJECTIVE is to make MONEY. We all are fans of them, but when their greed gets to a point where the fans end up losing out, what? We shouldn't call them out on it because..."they're a company, deal with it"??

It's also that mode of thinking where if you take a backseat and think "oh they won't change because people are going to buy it anyway...so i might as well", that road will only further their greed.

As for the topic on costs and stuff like that: any blind man can see that producing stuff in china is dirt cheap. YOU EFFIN HEAR ABOUT IT ON THE NEWS. Collectors even know something is wrong here...how? By the very things we buy! Look at EBs 1/4 line. Their close to 20", which means more plastic, more paint, more cloth and various types of material....and how much do they cost? Like $100 more than HT current 12" figures....

Yeah, what's wrong with that picture?

So please stop using that as a crutch in this situation. Any company that finds the manufacturer charging them more than usual, they move their business elsewhere. THAT IS FACT.

And even if the avengers license is probably more expensive than terminator (kinda doubt it, considering the price tag for the dx13), based on how cheap it is to manufacture things in china, this ds line should be much cheaper.

Im cool if some choose to be passive. But to outright defend poor business decisions is just ludicrous.

 

[DrQ2]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

This is what is frustrating. Saying "oh they're are a business, they don't owe us anything, people will buy it if they charged $200 per piece blah blah blah"...that kind of thinking leads me to believe that those individuals feel like they are above those that do complain. They don't want to get roped in with the "freaks" as morph would label them. So rather than complain about the company doing something wrong here (which they very clearly are), they instead come here and either complain about the complainers or worse, make fun of them.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. We ALL KNOW HT ARE A BUSINESS. WE KNOW THEY'RE OBJECTIVE is to make MONEY. We all are fans of them, but when their greed gets to a point where the fans end up losing out, what? We shouldn't call them out on it because..."they're a company, deal with it"??

It's also that mode of thinking where if you take a backseat and think "oh they won't change because people are going to buy it anyway...so i might as well", that road will only further their greed.

As for the topic on costs and stuff like that: any blind man can see that producing stuff in china is dirt cheap. YOU EFFIN HEAR ABOUT IT ON THE NEWS. Collectors even know something is wrong here...how? By the very things we buy! Look at EBs 1/4 line. Their close to 20", which means more plastic, more paint, more cloth and various types of material....and how much do they cost? Like $100 more than HT current 12" figures....

Yeah, what's wrong with that picture?

So please stop using that as a crutch in this situation. Any company that finds the manufacturer charging them more than usual, they move their business elsewhere. THAT IS FACT.

And even if the avengers license is probably more expensive than terminator (kinda doubt it, considering the price tag for the dx13), based on how cheap it is to manufacture things in china, this ds line should be much cheaper.

Im cool if some choose to be passive. But to outright defend poor business decisions is just ludicrous.

Dude, I see it from both sides. An I will not buy them. What your seeing me post is the why. I understand what you're saying. If you look at my post about a broken it. Where they give you a discount. You will see i don't take it. But I also understand that they have to make money. Chill..

These will go down.

 

[COSMOSTARX]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

It really isn't much of a discount lol

It's still super high. There isn't a lot of engineering going into these display dioramas I bet. At MSRP one diorama costs almost as much as a low end 1/6 figure. Not justified IMO.

 

[Lordthanos]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

I'm a comic book dealer here in Delaware and I carry some Hot Toys products. The suggested retail price for these Hall of Armors are as follow:
One set = $129.99
Set of 4 = $469.99
Set of 7 = $799.99
Got these prices straight from HT.

 

[Boba Ben]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

I agree with BrooklynWolf X wholeheartedly. People shouldn't be talked down to for voicing their frustration about the pricing. It's a valid concern and something that is worth discussing.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

Dude, I see it from both sides. An I will not buy them. What your seeing me post is the why. I understand what you're saying. If you look at my post about a broken it. Where they give you a discount. You will see i don't take it. But I also understand that they have to make money. Chill..

These will go down.

I want to reiterate that I'm not here to make enemies. This is a debate no? If I sound too passionate about this...well it's because I am. I love HT. I always look forward to their next reveal. If its something I want, I froth at the mouth just like other fans here and can't wait to have it in my collection.

It's gotten to the point where I, a long time fan, get frustrated at these poor decisions. This may sound a bit much, but bear with me. I've stated many times that I won't be getting this set. You'd think I'd stop there right? No. I also think about the other fans, I also think about the future. Similar to not buying the first 3 mks from IM. I knew at that time HT would only get better and when IM2 comes around, I'd purchase those mks...and I did.

I want to do something to make our voices heard. Unfortunately I don't have the technical know how I.e what site to go to. I can't even access FB to bombard their page because I'm in china, and both YT and FB are blocked.

My post wasn't aimed at you specifically. I was speaking in general.

 

[Lordthanos]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

I agree that it's just pieces of cheap plastic and it probably didn't cost more than a few dollars to have this made but it sure is cool looking for all the Iron Man figures out there....
I wish it was cheaper too, I would be able to sell a bunch of them but at that price....it's a tough sell.
Bought me a set of 4 and a set of 7 since I'm paying wholesale but also bought them so I can display them properly in my store.

 

[COSMOSTARX]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

They are pricing it high because they know a lot of people probably want to "complete" their Iron Man sets. They pretty much got you guys by the *****.

Boycott them and don't buy it IMO. Their prices need to go lower, not up.

 

[DFanatic]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

I agree with BrooklynWolf X wholeheartedly. People shouldn't be talked down to for voicing their frustration about the pricing. It's a valid concern and something that is worth discussing.

Not to mention that if the opposition's only argument here is "They are company, they got make money." then really, they are better off not saying anything, because that is hardly a smart or reasonable statement to make.

 

[DCFett]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

This is gonna make someone a lot of money one day, pound for pound... it just prolly won't be Hot Toys. In the end, this will probably see low production, so those who invest now will likely sell for a decent profit later, but HT will experience lowered expectations. This should have been HT's thank you for your support item and something to help continue to build the brand and feed the frenzy, but they decided they wanted to make some real cash on it. Their choice, but they'll do it without my dough. No big loss, but if they do harbor any ideas of updating the older versions, this item would have served nicely to get folks on the sidelines in the game. Penny wise, pound foolish, I say!

 

[DrQ2]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

I want to reiterate that I'm not here to make enemies. This is a debate no? If I sound too passionate about this...well it's because I am. I love HT. I always look forward to their next reveal. If its something I want, I froth at the mouth just like other fans here and can't wait to have it in my collection.

It's gotten to the point where I, a long time fan, get frustrated at these poor decisions. This may sound a bit much, but bear with me. I've stated many times that I won't be getting this set. You'd think I'd stop there right? No. I also think about the other fans, I also think about the future. Similar to not buying the first 3 mks from IM. I knew at that time HT would only get better and when IM2 comes around, I'd purchase those mks...and I did.

I want to do something to make our voices heard. Unfortunately I don't have the technical know how I.e what site to go to. I can't even access FB to bombard their page because I'm in china, and both YT and FB are blocked.

My post wasn't aimed at you specifically. I was speaking in general.

I didn't think you where talking about me. It's just I see it as if people are going to buy something at xxx then they can sell it for xxx. Again I see it from both sides. At the price it's listed at. I. Will not buy them. I still would not buy them at $50.

We as customers have to say no. Twice I ordered two burgers and they didn't put the meat on them. They said come back. I said no and I have not been to Carl's Jr in over 3 years.

If customers still buy the item of take a discount. Why should they fix it?

 

[annihilate22]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

Twice I ordered two burgers and they didn't put the meat on them.

On a lighter note, how is it a burger without any meat ?

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

Re: Hot Toys - DS001A-C - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Hall of Armor Collectible Specs & P

This is gonna make someone a lot of money one day, pound for pound... it just prolly won't be Hot Toys. In the end, this will probably see low production, so those who invest now will likely sell for a decent profit later, but HT will experience lowered expectations. This should have been HT's thank you for your support item and something to help continue to build the brand and feed the frenzy, but they decided they wanted to make some real cash on it. Their choice, but they'll do it without my dough. No big loss, but if they do harbor any ideas of updating the older versions, this item would have served nicely to get folks on the sidelines in the game. Penny wise, pound foolish, I say!

Precisely.

The Gantry is expensive, but it has a bunch of moving parts. NOT JUSTIFYING the price, however if it were say...$200? Yeah, I think it's well worth the price. The price it is now? Not so much.

This though? This is a display stand. It does nothing other than light up with stickers you can apply on a on clear sheet of PLASTIC. This SHOULD have been a thank you to fans that made them filthy rich. It should not cost this much. By that logic, that means I paid $100 for batman, and an additional $150 for the stand.

Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense.

Good job HT.