Hot Toys - DX13 - T2: T-800 (Battle-Damaged Version) 1/6-scale Collectible Figure

[a-dev]

OK T-800 was in softie mode. Enter T-1000 to fulfil his former role. Which he did quite well

 

[DiFabio]

Uncle Bob actually fulfilled his mission. He went out like a boss in molten steel without even flinching.

Atleast he didn't get destroyed by a conveniently placed hydraulic press by a goofy former waitress that had pockets full of ice cream. What did the first Terminator accomplish? He killed the wrong, middle aged Sarah Connor? Did the world a favor by killing a punk that looked at his junk? Murdered police officers? Killed a man that doesn't even exist yet? Killed Ginger and Matt? Great.

Uncle Bob protected his target, learned the value of human life, prevented Skynet from even existing by taking out Cyberdyne's facility (it's idea and plan by the way) AND defeated a TERMINATOR that was superior to it's model. Those cops? He maimed and caused way more destruction than the original Terminator did. Which is more bad ***? Going up against 17 officers at a single station and killing all 17 or . . . going up against every department in the Los Angeles area, destroying most, if not all of their vehicles, and maiming and butchering without killing? A damn minigun > machine gun and shotty. I think I'd rather die by a painless shotgun blast to the head instead of having my knee caps blown off or being shot point blank range with a grenade in my back and ending up paralyzed for the rest of my life.


Then the T-1000? Don't even get me started. He makes the original Arnold model look like a *****. He's the stuff that nightmares are made of. Not only can he look like anyone it comes across but it has blades for hands. Seeing a blade through a milk carton, through a man's mouth with blood dripping or ripping a poor dog's head off is more disturbing than "imma bust you up man" and being sent through a wall.

 

[Khev]

Uncle Bob actually fulfilled his mission.

Well yes. Softie good guys tend to do that. But that wasn't what we were discussing.

He didn't succeed at being a Terminator. "You were going to kill that guy!" "Of course, I'm a terminator, but you lightly pushed my hand and overpowered me."

 

[DiFabio]

Uncle Bob wasn't a guy or a softie though, just had different mission parameters that had to be met.

Even though he doesn't have emotions really, he seems "annoyed" that he can't kill (not just because of John, but because the script doesn't allow him to). He's much more bad *** than the first in different ways.

Shooting a guard in the knee caps and coldly replying "he'll live" or smashing several Pescadero staff head's into solid walls is much more impactful than, "bam, you're dead", "punch, you're dead". Those people that came across Uncle Bob will live to be vegetables or eating through straws or never being able to walk again as opposed to the folks the original simply killed.

 

[Khev]

Then the T-1000? Don't even get me started. He makes the original Arnold model look like a *****.

Oh and as for the T-1000. Screamed like a little ***** as he was "dying" even though he was a non-sentient machine. What a wuss. Original T-800 died with dignity, his skeletal hand still clutching the throat of his target.

 

[DiFabio]

Atleast the T-1000 never looked strained like he was taking a massive **** whenever he'd shoot a gun or run after John.

For a character that isn't supposed to show emotion, Arnold as the first Terminator sure does show a lot of excitement. Like when he's coming across Sarah and Kyle in the garage for example, or cocking a weapon, or running after his quarry through alleys. It's always that same, post-Hercules in NY, "I got a massive log up my *** that I need to squeeze out" expression. Having that awful hair cut and 80s clothes didn't help much either. It wasn't until he got the shades, leather duds and singed/burned hair that he became the ultimate badass . . . which is the look Uncle Bob has throughout the picture!


Arnold's "cyborg" acting was much better in T2 where he wouldn't even flinch during most scenes. He didn't look like he had constipation when he's crawling on the steel mill floor after being bashed in the head, he looks like he's still going for it.

 

[DiFabio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3AeAKJs6y4&feature=youtu.be&t=16s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuiJBeC8mEk&feature=youtu.be&t=3m22s



Ouch.

 

[Khev]

Atleast the T-1000 never looked strained like he was taking a massive **** whenever he'd shoot a gun or run after John.

For a character that isn't supposed to show emotion, Arnold as the first Terminator sure does show a lot of excitement. Like when he's coming across Sarah and Kyle in the garage for example, or cocking a weapon, or running after his quarry through alleys. It's always that same, post-Hercules in NY, "I got a massive log up my *** that I need to squeeze out" expression. Having that awful hair cut and 80s clothes didn't help much either. It wasn't until he got the shades, leather duds and singed/burned hair that he became the ultimate badass . . . which is the look Uncle Bob has throughout the picture!


Arnold's "cyborg" acting was much better in T2 where he wouldn't even flinch during most scenes. He didn't look like he had constipation when he's crawling on the steel mill floor after being bashed in the head, he looks like he's still going for it.

"Fine, the characters are less competent/intimidating but at least Arnold's acting improved over 7 years!" Okay, so you noticed better acting in T2. Not really what we were talking about but I'll agree with you on that one for the most part.

 

[DiFabio]

T-1000 is more intimidating than the T-800 from film 1.

The fact that go from a friendly, nonchalant officer to a silent, dead glared killer is much more terrifying. Bonus points for the fact that he can look like anyone, from an anonymous guard to a family member you trust. Being knifed, impaled or gutted is a lot worse than being shot.

Uncle Bob is probably just as intimidating as the first considering they're the same model. Only difference is he's a force of good on the side of the Resistance, not Skynet. If being scripted or programmed not to kill makes the character "soft", then I guess I don't know what to say. Especially when said character slams heads into walls and supports, throws bikers on burning hot stoves, shoots off and shatters knee caps, shoots grenades into peoples backs and rips off gas masks in fields of tear gas.

 

[BadMuthaDude]

T2 is the better overall movie. Of course Jim had the budget, the experience, and the desire to push the envelope, all resulting from his earlier efforts. I love both movies, but T2 looks like it could have been made this year. It just holds up so well and everything is top notch.

 

[a-dev]

It should be noted that Difabio loves T1 like all of us. He's just a bit sick of the trendy T2 bashing.

 

[Khev]

T-1000 is more intimidating than the T-800 from film 1.

Nope. The T-1000 is too incompetent. He should have killed John in the hospital elevator by oozing down right into the middle of them, and then again when he reformed the first time in the steel mill and all three were limping away and he chose to walk slowly toward them instead of rushing to efficiently finish the job, and then a third time that John should have died was when he was impersonating Sarah and John was right there in front of him.

Cameron basically made him too good for the sequences he wanted to create and had to write in contrived critical character flaws multiple times to allow John to escape. That makes for poor characterization and a less effective villain.

The T1 terminator used every one of his abilities to maximum efficiency from beginning to end. No slow walking for dramatic effect or savoring the moment. That's what makes him scarier. He doesn't make stupid choices and he doesn't stop. If the T1000 is after you you know at any given moment he could just let up for some inexplicable reason to let you escape.

Of course T2 Arnie "fulfilled his mission." The T-1000 had three opportunities to "win" and simply chose not to. T1 Sarah won because the T-800 got unlucky. T2 Arnie won because his opponent was stupid. Unlucky > Stupid.

The T-1000 kills were way too clean and clinical to be more frightening than the original. So some dude walks up to you on the street and before you know what's going on has a blade pop out and go through your head, killing you instantly. Versus a giant guy who literally rips your heart out with his bare hands! Give me quick, clean, and clinical any day of the week.

 

[a-dev]

And by those same rationale Sarah Connor should have died here:



and here:



Dramatic pauses were taken each time. Reese had to wrestle through a crowd to prevent the first and is nowhere to be seen in the second shot where T-800 already has his loaded gun trained on Sarah. That should have been enough time to kill her. And to hell with reloading his gun he could have simply stamped on her head.

I mean you're right on those points about the T-1000 but they apply just as much to the T1 T-800. And T1 definitely slow walked. The only time he seemed in any haste was when he chased them out the Tech Noir alleyway.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Exactly.

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[stshammgod]

 

[Khev]

Dramatic pauses were taken each time. Reese had to wrestle through a crowd to prevent the first and was nowhere to be seen in frame in the second shot where T-800 already has his loaded gun trained on Sarah. That should have been enough time to kill her. And to hell with reloading his gun he could have simply stamped on her head.

The first was in slow-motion so you can't really say what was being "paused" and the second was Arnold loading his gun, pointing it and Sarah and being shot a split second later. SPLIT SECOND. You can argue about the logistics of how many frames Cameron had between motions when Reese saves the day but that's all we're talking about: 1/24 second FRAMES. Not slowly walking toward his target and wasting minutes on end or refusing to enter an elevator because he somehow thought that blindly stabbing through the ceiling would be more productive.

 

[shells075]

Reese + Sarah were just good enough to defeat the T-800 and the T-800 + Sarah were just good enough to defeat good ol' liquid metal man.

Yeah there are plenty of times in both movies where the respective terminator should of terminated the person they were supposed to, but I guess you got to disengage a part o your brain when you watch movies like T1, T2,.

 

[stshammgod]

Wow, you guys are passionate. The T-800 is a machine. It does what it's programmed to do. If it's set in defense mode, the parameters are sure to be different. On another note, I don't know if anyone here's seen this photo but man is it cool!

 

[a-dev]

The first was in slow-motion so you can't really say what was being "paused" and the second was Arnold loading his gun, pointing it and Sarah and being shot a split second later. SPLIT SECOND. You can argue about the logistics of how many frames Cameron had between motions when Reese saves the day but that's all we're talking about: 1/24 second FRAMES. Not slowly walking toward his target and wasting minutes on end or refusing to enter an elevator because he somehow thought that blindly stabbing through the ceiling would be more productive.

No, I don't buy it. Particularly not in the case of the second pic. With the gun already loaded and trained on Sarah, you can't see Reese at all. We know he's behind the bar. By the time he jumps out Sarah should be dead already.
And his every movement is slow. Like his recoveries after he gets shot down by Reese twice - they could hardly have been slower. And they are needlessly slow except for anything other than dramatic purposes.

As I said you're right about those instances with the T-1000 but its just the necessities of telling an entertaining story that lasts 2 and a half hours or so and T1 did it too.

There's contrivances and conveniences in both films. Like how the T1 T-800 can't seem to hit squat with his guns (and if he did the film would be over) and yet T2 T-800 can shoot out locks and tires while riding a Harley at speed.

 

[DiFabio]

Nope. The T-1000 is too incompetent. He should have killed John in the hospital elevator by oozing down right into the middle of them, and then again when he reformed the first time in the steel mill and all three were limping away and he chose to walk slowly toward them instead of rushing to efficiently finish the job, and then a third time that John should have died was when he was impersonating Sarah and John was right there in front of him.

And the T-800 should have grabbed for Sarah's neck instead of her shirt collar, or grabbed Kyle's hand with his steel grip to get him to stop the car.

Or how about this unstoppable machine leaving Sarah and Kyle for the cops and being a wounded softie and leaving the scene to go repair himself? Pretty incompetent. Wow, damaged eye area and a bullet en lodged in his arm. That shouldn't have stopped him from sneaking up to the passenger side and breaking Sarah's neck before the cops were on them.

Cameron basically made him too good for the sequences he wanted to create and had to write in contrived critical character flaws multiple times to allow John to escape. That makes for poor characterization and a less effective villain.

You mean like the above?

- Terminator can't kill Sarah Connor because of . . . slow motion

- Terminator can't kill Sarah Connor because . . . instead of stomping her brains out while she's struggling to get a dead lady off of her, he's taking time to reload so Kyle can shoot him

- Instead of taking a nice strong grab at her throat, he goes for her shirt collar AND let's Kyle grip his arm to stop him. Crazy.

- Departs from the scene with his tail behind his legs.

- Terminator is essentially a targeting computer right? Yet it can't seem to shoot Sarah while they're driving on the free way and instead . . . fires at a reflection of her in the mirror. Brilliant.


We're talking about incompetence? Atleast Uncle Bob was smart enough to hide his weapons in a rose box. Atleast T-1000 was disguised as a cop. The T-800 in the first Terminator just wanders around the city with it's guns out in the open. Case in point, his hideaway after the "**** you *** Hole" scene. He just strolls down the hall in his little tennis shoes and the black dude sees him with his guns. Great infiltration there.

The T1 terminator used every one of his abilities to maximum efficiency from beginning to end. No slow walking for dramatic effect or savoring the moment. That's what makes him scarier. He doesn't make stupid choices and he doesn't stop. If the T1000 is after you you know at any given moment he could just let up for some inexplicable reason to let you escape.

He was pretty slow reloading and aiming those guns while Kyle is struggling to get people out of his line of sight. It was pretty stupid to try and reload a gun when your target is a couple of feet in front of you, immobile, and you could easily just walk over to her and stomp her brains out. It was pretty stupid to jump onto a moving vehicle (he's as fast as a car) only to fumble around after breaking the windshield and letting a human hand stop you from squeezing the life out of your victim before you're sent flying.

It was pretty stupid to leave the scene when your target is a couple of feet away in the vehicle you were pursuing because your eye and arm are a little messed up and the cops have yet to arrive. YET, in a similar situation where you're even MORE damaged, where all your skin and clothes are melted off and you're limping from being hit by a tractor trailer, you still keep going towards your target instead of hiding away like you did before.

Instead of grabbing the pipe with your faster-than-human reactions, you let this soldier from the future pummel your head in with said rod and simply look at your target and avoid her completely (until you're missing your lower torso, hand and legs that is).