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I remember I really wanted this collectors cup that Subway was giving out back then. Funny that it was just a cheap plastic cup, but I loved collecting them.

I also tried to get all the Batman Returns cups from McDonalds, as well as the Jurassic Park ones.
 
I also tried to get all the Batman Returns cups from McDonalds.

I wanted the Batman one so much but they were always sold out so I had to get Robin. I was so haunted by this for years that a couple of years ago my mom bought me 2 from a garage sale (even she knew of my lament for this mug).

I had my sweet vindication 12 years later :D
 
Was looking at some T2 scenes today whilst trying to get my Sarah Connor figures as accurately displayed as possible. Funny the things you realise or notice which escaped you before despite countless viewings.


Like this:



^I never knew what the hell she was doing with her arm there until today. The T-800 had aimed his shotgun at Enrique and this was her telling him to stand down. So obvious and yet I just thought it was some wierd gun-toting idiosyncrasy of Sarahs.


Next this SWAT guy:



is Dean Norris. This guy:



^who is one of those actors it takes years to learn the name of but you've seen him in tonnes of films and TV shows. Not unlike Xander Berkelely who played Todd Voight.


Also, I couldn't find a screengrab and when I tried to take a pic of my screen it wasn't clear enough but follow the T-1000 after he stabs the driver of the liquid nitrogen truck -



look at his sword arm as he is climbing into the truck - its obviously already morphed back into a human arm but its still chrome coloured.


And finally I never tire of this observation:

 
:lol

Now I finally know the name of this dude, then.
:lol

For the other points:
I knew that sarah pointed towards the T-800, but always found it to be awkward looking.^^

And for the arm:
Wrong arm, poor uncle bob would´ve to work with 2 right ones for the rest of his time.

:rotfl
 
I'm confused--are you saying the T-800 in T1 showing emotion was intentional, and appropriate for the character because it would have been an automatic physiological response? I don't think the films suggest one way or the other whether or not this is true. But saying T1 T-800 showed too much emotion, or T2 T-800 didn't show enough, would be a nitpick IMO because in general both showed very little, obviously by design. The clear intention in the film was that both were supposed to be the same model of Terminator, that would behave in a similar way in similar situations with similar instructions.
i don't know about intentions. i know that "survelliance camera" effect, i.e. inhuman face, was intentional.
at the same time i know that:
- endoskull holes for human nerves were intentional (just because they were there and exactly at correct places)
- without additional hardware a terminator cannot move its meat face, and there was no metal hardware there - so they should be live nerves connected to the CPU
- a terminator must be an infiltrator, and that means its programming should have some emotions emulator, presumably generated outside its main programming or just lamely programmed
- a doll had its flesh moving for no reason in a close-up like if cut nerves caused some trouble in mimics

so a live actor terminator has a poker face when it doesn't do anything, but it changes that face often - angry face in the police car or when killing its police driver before, disgust when returning from first failed purchase, crazy face while crazy shooting UZI.
does it have hardware and software for that? yes it does.
was it intentional? i cannot say "it wasn't" taking into concideration all above.

as for T2, it was dumber than T1 before some event that will be named later.
T1 easily learned the meaning of swearing and at the same time could easily provide some random mother-daughter dialogue with Sarah. that demands ability to analyse behaviour+speech at the same time + learning to use them itself.
T2 was so dumb at copying humans that John had to teach him and in directors cut (which i take as the proper version) to change its chip programming conditions. and - voila - after that he started not just to understand humans but to show emotions, and i'm not talking about smiling only: something like tiredness and self-anger for its own disability against T-1000 can be easily seen. or remember sending Jonh&Sarah away and its face while shouting and later while searching for T-1000. it's totally not what it was in WHY CANNOT I KILL HUMANS scene.
so no, T1 and T2 behaved very differently before "switching to write mode", presumably to difference in programming (lack it in case of T2): Skynet surely could prepare its own infiltrator better than humans, T1 got more programming or had his "switch" "on" from the beginning.
both didn't have a poker face during their missions, one needed a kick to start that programming, another had it from the beginning.
 
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i don't know about intentions. i know that "survelliance camera" effect, i.e. inhuman face, was intentional.
at the same time i know that:
- endoskull holes for human nerves were intentional (just because they were there and exactly at correct places)
- without additional hardware a terminator cannot move its meat face, and there was no metal hardware there - so they should be live nerves connected to the CPU
- a terminator must be an infiltrator, and that means its programming should have some emotions emulator, presumably generated outside its main programming or just lamely programmed
- a doll had its flesh moving for no reason in a close-up like if cut nerves caused some trouble in mimics

so a live actor terminator has a poker face when it doesn't do anything, but it changes that face often - angry face in the police car or when killing its police driver before, disgust when returning from first failed purchase, crazy face while crazy shooting UZI.
does it have hardware and software for that? yes it does.
was it intentional? i cannot say "it wasn't" taking into concideration all above.

as for T2, it was dumber than T1 before some event that will be named later.
T1 easily learned the meaning of swearing and at the same time could easily provide some random mother-daughter dialogue with Sarah. that demands ability to analyse behaviour+speech at the same time + learning to use them itself.
T2 was so dumb at copying humans that John had to teach him and in directors cut (which i take as the proper version) to change its chip programming conditions. and - voila - after that he started not just to understand humans but to show emotions, and i'm not talking about smiling only: something like tiredness and self-anger for its own disability against T-1000 can be easily seen. or remember sending Jonh&Sarah away and its face while shouting and later while searching for T-1000. it's totally not what it was in WHY CANNOT I KILL HUMANS scene.
so no, T1 and T2 behaved very differently, presumably to difference in programming (lack it in case of T2): Skynet surely could prepare its own infiltrator better than humans.

:exactly::lecture
 
:)
well it's what i think out of my taking the movies and stage props as "if-that-all-was-real", not a statement by Cameron.

:lol

Now I finally know the name of this dude, then.
:lol

For the other points:
I knew that sarah pointed towards the T-800, but always found it to be awkward looking.^^

And for the arm:
Wrong arm, poor uncle bob would´ve to work with 2 right ones for the rest of his time.

:rotfl
old story )
the last i saw it people agreed that a robot knowing its design could easily either replace fingers or just live with it.
 
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Yeah the T-800 could have reverse engineered the arm into the one it was missing. Or built one from scratch maybe. But the point remains it should have occurred to John to keep that arm - instead the first thought that enters his head after T-1000 is killed is to throw it away??
 
in reality it would be possible, as they all should be in too much shock :)
BTW the terminator himself might have decided his fate in Dyson's house already: the wound he made on his arm and the fact he didn't sew it back meant he had no intention of mixing with the crowd anymore. and could the machine be in shock or stupid? no, that should be a decision of unknown reason :)
 


^I never knew what the hell she was doing with her arm there until today. The T-800 had aimed his shotgun at Enrique and this was her telling him to stand down. So obvious and yet I just thought it was some wierd gun-toting idiosyncrasy of Sarahs.

I lol'd

Next this SWAT guy:



is Dean Norris. This guy:



^who is one of those actors it takes years to learn the name of but you've seen him in tonnes of films and TV shows. Not unlike Xander Berkelely who played Todd Voight.

I was catching up on Breaking Bad last year when I watched T2 and recognized his voice and looked it up on IMDB to confirm. I'm pretty good at knowing actors by name, so I didn't have a problem remembering him since I first saw him in Total Recall.

Also, I couldn't find a screengrab and when I tried to take a pic of my screen it wasn't clear enough but follow the T-1000 after he stabs the driver of the liquid nitrogen truck -



look at his sword arm as he is climbing into the truck - its obviously already morphed back into a human arm but its still chrome coloured.

I don't know if I noticed that one before. One interesting T-1000 moment that many people don't pick up on is the third arm he grows so he can steer and reload his gun while in the helicopter.

And finally I never tire of this observation:


I always thought, "Damn, too bad it's the wrong arm," but it's not like it would help much since half his face is exposed endo. Sure, he could get skin grafts, but we're talking about a machine that ripped off his arm skin to prove a point. I wouldn't be surprised if he ripped his face off at some point for some reason.
 
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Great point I hadn't thought of that. You're right, he probably had decided at Dyson's house that he too would have to be destroyed given their objective of wiping out any trace of Terminators and research that could lead to the creation of Skynet. Wouldn't make sense that the thought would only spontaneously occur to him at the steel mill.

Then again, the creation of a powerful AI was probably inevitable just as it probably is in real life. I don't think humans are going to stop trying to advance technology in any area and the same would apply in this fictional universe. You can see how it would be the case that judgment day would be inevitable like T3 said.
 
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I don't know if I noticed that one before. One interesting T-1000 moment that many people don't pick up on is the third arm he grows so he can steer and reload his gun.

Whaaat! I've seen this movie a thousand times and I never noticed.

*goes to pop in T2*



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Wasn't the T1 arm Cyberdyne had a righty?

Yeah but one can reason that:

Yeah the T-800 could have reverse engineered the arm into the one it was missing. Or built one from scratch maybe. But the point remains it should have occurred to John to keep that arm - instead the first thought that enters his head after T-1000 is killed is to throw it away??

I don't know if I noticed that one before. One interesting T-1000 moment that many people don't pick up on is the third arm he grows so he can steer and reload his gun.



I always thought, "Damn, too bad it's the wrong arm," but it's not like it would help much since half his face is exposed endo. Sure, he could get skin grafts, but we're talking about a machine that ripped off his arm skin to prove a point. I wouldn't be surprised if he ripped his face off at some point for some reason.

The third arm thing while piloting the helicopter - as a child I thought that was a movie mistake and I don't think I was alone in that. However the camera focuses on it so clearly that it has to be deliberate. And I'm pretty sure it is, to show another of T-1000's capabilities.

As to the skin grafts were the T-800 to have stayed with them - in T:TSCC, Cromartie, having been entirely endoskeletonised, is able to regrow an entire flesh covering with the help of some scientist he kidnaps. So perhaps there would have been a way that the T-800 would know about. Granted one could only postulate this idea after it had been written into that show.
 
he had 4 arms in the helicopter... not 3... disgusting noobity shame on you all O_O
the reason was the actual pilot behind Patrick, the need was made a feature.

HnKcyn8.png


hand #4 lies on left window. better seen in motion.
 
he had 4 arms in the helicopter... not 3... disgusting noobity shame on you all O_O
the reason was the actual pilot behind Patrick, the need was made a feature.

HnKcyn8.png


hand #4 lies on left window. better seen in motion.

Cool, I thought it was just a third hand and that it was a prop made for the scene. I never saw a feature on it.

<insert 'The More You Know' image>
 
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