Hot Toys - MMS 106 - Alien - BIG CHAP collectible figure

[shockwave]

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I like it and pre-ordered it on SSC. I guess we will see pics in early Jan 2010?

 

[Predrhone]

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The more and more I hear people griping, the more and more it gets to me... and now I really do want and feel we deserve a much more accurate Giger alien from Hot Toys. I was going to pre-order but... I'm glad I've held off. I'll wait and see if they revamp it once again.

 

[GreenDragon]

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a little more rational objecivity, please.

this figure is not crap.

show the hot toys big chap to 10 regular people who have seen the movie. you'll get 10 out of 10 people identifying it as the alien creature from the movie. so how is it "not ALIEN" ?

is the figure 100% accurate? of course not. is it a fairly good representation of the character? yes it is. i'm all for pushing for more accuracy, but this rabid over-reaction and negativity is getting a bit out of hand.

how's this for objectivity? If you show this to 10 regular people, yes, you MIGHT get 10 out of 10 identifying it as the alien creature fom the movie Alien. But guaranteed you will only get half of that. And on top of that, guaranteed you will get 0 out of 10 to be purhasers of this item. Why? Because they aren't fan enough to buy it. Hence why they are regular people. Now if you get 10 Alien fans to see this, without knowing what it is, I think you will at least get half of them to ASSUME it is supposed to be from the first movie, and the other half knowing that duh, it's an alien, but not know which version it represents. And that's the truth. And these people are the more important people because THEY are the potential buyers.

i apologize if i come off so harsh. but at the end of the day this is an interpretation, and a slap in the face. the artist gets respect for being a good artist, but not for being a representational artist. I am sorry that there are those of you that are satisfied with mediocrity. I will certainly not miss not owning an Alien figure from HT because one has yet to be made that can be called Giger's Alien.

 

[MaulFan]

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Like the figure or don't like it, but try not to judge people's opinions, whatever anyone's opinion is on this figure, because it isn't yours doesn't make it a bad opinon or invalid. Everyone's opinons are equal, it's an opinion, a personal feeling.

 

[Kuzeh]

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This thread is hilarious!!
I thought the DK fans were nit-picky...
well... I stand corrected!

 

[creecher]

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Like the figure or don't like it, but try not to judge people's opinions, whatever anyone's opinion is on this figure, because it isn't yours doesn't make it a bad opinon or invalid. Everyone's opinons are equal, it's an opinion, a personal feeling.

Whilst I agree an opinion can't be wrong, it can be misguided. You can have an informed opinion, or alternatively, an uninformed opinion. Opinions can change, and this doesn't necessarily mean hypercriticality.

If you happen to be responding to the previous persons post, at least he is trying to explain his opinions with reasons, and even apologised for being harsh, although it didn't come across that way to me, it actually came across more educational than dismissive.

Green Dragon said, "THE FIGURE STILL LOOKS LIKE CRAP! lol", and people took offence, but neglected the "lol" that was posted directly afterwards. Selective, out of context quoting led to him having to defend his position, or in this case 'opinion', which as you say "doesn't make it a bad opinon or invalid".

So maybe you weren't responding to the previous post, in which case, this stream has been even more educational, at least to those that are open minded enough to absorb it's implications in the first place.

What we have are opposing opinions, leading to open discussion, hopefully arriving at some consensus. In between we get emotional responses which only serve to escalate the taking of sides and reinforcing the 'we're right you're wrong' or the apathetic 'who cares' scenario we have all come to enjoy.

 

[MaulFan]

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What I was responding too was specifically the comment "I am sorry that there are those of you that are satisfied with mediocrity."

If someone thinks this figure is mediocre that's fine, that's their opinion and I don't hold it against them for thinking that, but just because someone may feel that, it doesn't mean that the item truly is factually mediocre and anyone liking it likes mediocrity. People liking it don't see it as mediocre for certain reasons the same as people seeing it as mediocre have their reasons. Neither side is right or wrong, it's whatever people think and feel about it. Some fans are passionately about every little detail of the Giger design being their and correct so any figure failing to meet that will be lackluster in their eyes. Some folks aren't looking for that and this figure could exceed their expectations. It comes down to what each buyer wants and whether the product lives up to that vision for you or not. That's in terms of using words like crap, mediocre, marvelous, amazing. Using words like innaccurrate, that's not opinion, there is factual data to make comparisons with and prove or disprove such a statement and isn't based on personal feelings.

I don't like when I see people making comments on other people's points of view implying there's something wrong with those people for feeling that way. You can share opinions without having to be critical of the people who have an opposing opinion is what I'm getting at.

 

[Jamesways]

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This thread is hilarious!!
I thought the DK fans were nit-picky...
well... I stand corrected!

Haven't you ever visited the SW board?

 

[Shai]

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Congratulations to the ridiculously obssessed nit pickers..You've just made this section of the board a Fail.

New equation now:

SW Fan = DK Fan = Aliens & Robots Fan = Dweeb= Fail

 

[lerath666]

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simple question.

Articulation-wise, how do we think these are going to compare to the other aliens?

 

[MaulFan]

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Probably a little less.

I'm less concerned with articulation and more concerned that where this is articulation is sturdy and durable. From what I read and have experienced myself, only the first Alien HT's ever made has had a solid build and sturdy joints.

 

[creecher]

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What I was responding too was specifically the comment "I am sorry that there are those of you that are satisfied with mediocrity."

Thanks for making that much more clearer MF. Without specifics it is difficult to determine your intended remarks. I agree with much of what you say, and it's the same for every figure made, almost, but not so in the case of the Big Chap. I may be wrong but the confusion here lies with what the more finicky fans are choosing to use as 'factual data'. Sw and DK figures don't have as many different references to defer to. That's where I see Alien fans being grouped in with the aforementioned as being too general. From what's been posted there's the original artwork versus the on set props and the variations of those props. Apparently there are several.

I'm definitely no afficionado in these matters but didn't Sideshow have to compromise with Vader, and take some artistic liberty with combining all his incarnations from different films? It just wouldn't be practical to do them all? Wouldn't it have been better to do one and do it right, but because of various movie techniques, there wasn't one to refer to? I guess that's what Hot Toys is doing with the Big Chap when they say it is "based on Gigers design" as opposed to Wolverine where they state " because our artists would like to improve the face sculpture and add more details of this remarkable Marvel character with the actual likeness of Hugh Jackman." Adding more details doesn't mean it will end up looking like Jackman. Just closer to it. Then in the description it states "- Life-like head sculpt with authentic likeness of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine." Which is saying it will eventually actually look like who it is supposed to be. It depends on the abilities of the sculptor and how close to photographic their abilities are.

As you yourself have determined, manufacturing processes don't necessarily allow for actual representations, due to the limitations of the final product, and even the movie could be said to not accurately define the artistic design of the inventor himself. Compromise is what we have to allow ourselves to accept.

 

[MaulFan]

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I don't know exactly why the HT Aliens come out with artistic liberties taken, but some part of it must be a choice or something to that effect, and that view is based on the ALIENS snap kits versus the ALIENS 1/6. The Snap Kits, for their size, are extremely accurrate in design. The 1/6 figure is neither accurrate to the movie nor even a larger version of the snap kit. It can't have anything to do with skill set for a 12 inch plus figure to look nothing like a 4 inch version from the same company, something happened there.

 

[Wor-Gar]

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New equation now:

SW Fan = DK Fan = Aliens & Robots Fan = Dweeb= Fail

I'm not sure I should be encouraging you, Shai, but that's funny.

Sorta true but I like the enthusiasm for a 'movie'.

 

[Les Walker]

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Due to being pretty busy lately, I am kinda glad to be missing what must be a really fun and involving debate here, BUT, I am getting this HT ALIEN, one way or the other, so ...there.
I am as particular as the next guy, but damn, THIS FIGURE ROCKS to me! So, whatever.
It will stand his own on my ALIEN shelf, no matter what. He and several other company incarnations alongside it. I'll probably be darned happy to have it too.

My two cents.

Funny comment, Shai.

 

[creecher]

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Your two cents are worth three cents in my country. That's a 50% increase right there.

 

[tylerdurden]

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how's this for objectivity? If you show this to 10 regular people, yes, you MIGHT get 10 out of 10 identifying it as the alien creature fom the movie Alien. But guaranteed you will only get half of that. And on top of that, guaranteed you will get 0 out of 10 to be purhasers of this item. Why? Because they aren't fan enough to buy it. Hence why they are regular people. Now if you get 10 Alien fans to see this, without knowing what it is, I think you will at least get half of them to ASSUME it is supposed to be from the first movie, and the other half knowing that duh, it's an alien, but not know which version it represents. And that's the truth. And these people are the more important people because THEY are the potential buyers.

i apologize if i come off so harsh. but at the end of the day this is an interpretation, and a slap in the face. the artist gets respect for being a good artist, but not for being a representational artist.

ah, that's more like it, my friend. a more objective criticism of the figure without resorting to uncalled-for hyperbole. i may not agree with what you've said, but it's ok.

 

[GreenDragon]

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ah, that's more like it, my friend. a more objective criticism of the figure without resorting to uncalled-for hyperbole. i may not agree with what you've said, but it's ok.

*HIGH FIVE* for making you happy

 

[tylerdurden]

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*HIGH FIVE* for making you happy

*secret handshake and macho chest bump* for you making me happy

 

[GreenDragon]

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Whilst I agree an opinion can't be wrong, it can be misguided. You can have an informed opinion, or alternatively, an uninformed opinion. Opinions can change, and this doesn't necessarily mean hypercriticality.

If you happen to be responding to the previous persons post, at least he is trying to explain his opinions with reasons, and even apologised for being harsh, although it didn't come across that way to me, it actually came across more educational than dismissive.

Green Dragon said, "THE FIGURE STILL LOOKS LIKE CRAP! lol", and people took offence, but neglected the "lol" that was posted directly afterwards. Selective, out of context quoting led to him having to defend his position, or in this case 'opinion', which as you say "doesn't make it a bad opinon or invalid".

So maybe you weren't responding to the previous post, in which case, this stream has been even more educational, at least to those that are open minded enough to absorb it's implications in the first place.

What we have are opposing opinions, leading to open discussion, hopefully arriving at some consensus. In between we get emotional responses which only serve to escalate the taking of sides and reinforcing the 'we're right you're wrong' or the apathetic 'who cares' scenario we have all come to enjoy.

nice post, thanks. *DOUBLE HIGH-FIVE* :chew

Regarding the post responding to my statement of mediocrity and people's opinions - yes, people can have their own opinion. I believe that those of us with a more strict and stringent opinion help us to develop better products in any field. But I do not believe that saying this is mediocre is an opinion. I believe it is a fact. I believe so because nowhere at all does this represent the Giger Alien from the movie ALIEN. The head is similar, but I have yet to see any reference from the movie that looks like the HT figure. So in that instance, it fails, because it is an interpretation not based on anything from the movie. It is like they didn't try to match any reference of the skull or mouth, and are too proud to change it. I said it before, the artist is really good, but someone like Tankman, he knocks it out of the ballpark with his ability to recreate what is seen in the movie. With his piece, only minor nit-picks can be made, but it LOOKS just like the creature in the movie. That is fact too.