Hot Toys - MMS 106 - Alien - BIG CHAP collectible figure

[stupotnoodle]

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i agree with tyler, alien is very much a much a sci-fi horror, the suspense of not knowing when the alien is going to pounce is what makes that film one of the best, whereas i think that aliens is more action orientated, but this goes in its favour because it means that it is completely different to the first film. in my opinion two of the best films out there, and they have moulded many of us into the fans we are today.

 

[Antronus]

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i agree with tyler, alien is very much a much a sci-fi horror, the suspense of not knowing when the alien is going to pounce is what makes that film one of the best, whereas i think that aliens is more action orientated, but this goes in its favour because it means that it is completely different to the first film. in my opinion two of the best films out there, and they have moulded many of us into the fans we are today.

Dont forget the third one. It ended the trilogy very well.

 

[stupotnoodle]

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the third was definately a take it or leave it lol, i dont mind it but have to be in the right frame of mind to watch it, e.g. smashed lol

 

[P.]

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the third was definately a take it or leave it lol, i dont mind it but have to be in the right frame of mind to watch it, e.g. smashed lol

it could be said shorter - the third was crap.
and all-brown colors are just in their place
of course the greatest crap was the gift of stupid ADI, the ugly lump of brown guts which replaced the alien.

 

[a-dev]

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the "logic" can be argued with here, but in the context of the original, Aliens is a lousy sequel.
it's like if someone made a sequel to 2001 that was all about marines shooting and blowing up monoliths.

Aliens had to have guns, it had to have soldiers. There was no way anyone would have knowingly went to a planet expecting to encounter these creatures and not have firepower with them.

Sure you could have had another story altogether where some other people unexpectedly encountered the aliens or alien and therefore didn't necessarily have guns but how would that have been any different to the first film? And we pretty much got that with Alien 3 anyway, I like that film, but Aliens was the extremely logical follow up to the first film.

Also for all the reasons Tyler Durden stated.

 

[holtrax]

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Aliens 3 for me anyway was a very frustrating and unsatisfactory sequel in the aliens series. I went from not liking it, to kind of liking it, to then recently not liking it again. Simply because the film spends too much time on mundane conversations that lead nowhere. Too much time was spent on establishing background information of what are essentially boring characters i.e the chaplain character, doctor, general prison population and ripleys experiences with them rather then the alien itself. When i watch an aliens film i want to see aliens! Even when they did show the alien in the third it was mostly POV shots and cgi. I mean there was a couple good shots at the end when the acid drops on it but bar that very poor special effects for an aliens film.

Also the fact that we went from aliens which is a great action sci fi flick where we had a new concept(this was 1986) of marines fighting in space armed to the teeth against a superior foe to the third one which was just some prisoners on a planet being stalked. They weren't even armed.

I mean the ending is kind of interesting when we finally get to see bishops creator and ripley finally deals with the company that put her through all her troubles directly but the fact that they killed off hicks and Newt just cheapened the whole experience that they went through in the second film just to survive. I dunno I kind of felt robbed with that. It was like oh forget about all that trouble they went through just to survive in the second movie.. they just died in the crash. huh? It killed the whole feel good factor of the second movie at the end just for some silly plotpoint in the third.

I even liked the fourth better then the third. Just my opinion.

 

[prefused]

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aliens was different because cameron was smart enough to know ridley scott's approach could never be topped. so he consciously set out to expand the universe and establish a fresh tonality. it is essentially a war movie in space. and cameron did that exceptionally well. if alien was all about slow-burning dread, aliens was all about adrenaline.

but more so than that, it had a very strong underlying theme about motherhood and what a parent would go thru to protect its offspring. this applied to both ripley as well as the alien queen.

any sequel that injects new ideas and material into the pre-established stuff in the first film is a successful sequel, imo. i don't see how anyone can simply label aliens nothing more than a mindless shoot-em up.

i'm confused. what part of that is "new ideas"?
what Cameron essentially did was make Starship Troopers, took out all the clever social commentary, and replaced it with awkward references to the 1st Alien.

Aliens had to have guns, it had to have soldiers. There was no way anyone would have knowingly went to a planet expecting to encounter these creatures and not have firepower with them.

why? the 1st movie just showed a room full of eggs.
there was nothing about a huge bug hive with a big queen bug laying eggs.
the whole point of the big chap alien is it's an ALIEN. not a big ant.

Sure you could have had another story altogether where some other people unexpectedly encountered the aliens or alien and therefore didn't necessarily have guns but how would that have been any different to the first film?

and that's the point.

look, i'm not saying Aliens is a bad movie, i loved it when i was a kid. i'm saying it's a bad sequel. if it had no references to the 1st movie, it would've been great.
Cameron made his name on mindless action movies. he's great at it. there aren't many directors who can pull that off.

 

[P.]

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the fact that they killed off hicks and Newt just cheapened the whole experience that they went through in the second film just to survive.

that was the only good idea in all the movie. the best maybe. "no survivors from aliens". this and the ending record of ripleys report from the 1st movie were the things that had to have another movie between them.
and everybody everywhere says "oooh it was so awful". watch harry potter if you want happyends for good guys.

when we finally get to see bishops creator

bishop was created in "hyperdyne systems", not in WY. and his creator works for WY. stupid lack of watching the 2nd movie before making 3rd.

 

[abake]

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i'm confused. what part of that is "new ideas"?
what Cameron essentially did was make Starship Troopers, took out all the clever social commentary, and replaced it with awkward references to the 1st Alien.

If you're referring to the movie Starship Troopers, it came out a decade after Aliens.

 

[a-dev]

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why? the 1st movie just showed a room full of eggs.

Except they knew the colonists on the planet were potentially exposed, hence actual Aliens and not just a room full of eggs. In any case the fact they have space marines at all suggests there may have been other reasons to be sending them in, regardless of the particular xenomorph threat of these films. What that would be I'm not sure.

there was nothing about a huge bug hive with a big queen bug laying eggs.
the whole point of the big chap alien is it's an ALIEN. not a big ant.

Whats your idea about where all those eggs came from? I dunno, for me Cameron came up with the most logical explanation for a giant room full of eggs. A Queen egg-laying creature. I can see you dislike the reduction of the 'Alien' into an insect-type organism but to me the first film suggested it by depicting a hive of eggs. It just happened that only a single creature was ultimately conceived. Aliens presented a plausible scenario in which multiple creatures were conceived. I don't see a problem with that. Like the T1 versus T2 debate it comes down to what you prefer watching. Bad Arnie or good Arnie. Single Alien or Multiple Aliens. Non-stop chase movie or slowerburning bigger FX movie. Atmospheric art-horror sci-fi film or tense action sci-fi film. I think this town is big enough for all of these films and I think they all work.

 

[Sabres21768]

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Wow...I love all this talk about the Hot Toys Big Chap.

Oh...wait...

 

[Predanator]

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It's going to be a great figure, that's for sure. I have a spot ready and waiting for "him?", that's for sure...

 

[MaulFan]

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I think until it arrives in hand, discussion on this figure has run it's course, the ones bothered by the innaccuracy have thoroughly expressed their view as have those fine with it, now it's a matter of waiting to get it in hand and see what happens then.

 

[prefused]

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If you're referring to the movie Starship Troopers, it came out a decade after Aliens.

wow. really? i had no idea. i wonder when the popular book came out, then.
probably after the movie would be my guess. i just typed that sarcastically.

Except they knew the colonists on the planet were potentially exposed, hence actual Aliens and not just a room full of eggs. In any case the fact they have space marines at all suggests there may have been other reasons to be sending them in, regardless of the particular xenomorph threat of these films. What that would be I'm not sure.



Whats your idea about where all those eggs came from? I dunno, for me Cameron came up with the most logical explanation for a giant room full of eggs. A Queen egg-laying creature. I can see you dislike the reduction of the 'Alien' into an insect-type organism but to me the first film suggested it by depicting a hive of eggs. It just happened that only a single creature was ultimately conceived. Aliens presented a plausible scenario in which multiple creatures were conceived. I don't see a problem with that. Like the T1 versus T2 debate it comes down to what you prefer watching. Bad Arnie or good Arnie. Single Alien or Multiple Aliens. Non-stop chase movie or slowerburning bigger FX movie. Atmospheric art-horror sci-fi film or tense action sci-fi film. I think this town is big enough for all of these films and I think they all work.

OR Cameron needed an excuse to have some space troopers blow ^^^^ up for an hour and a half.
the problem here is you've decided the ONLY "logical" reason for a room full of pods with parasites in them to exist is that a big space bug laid them off screen somewhere.
sure, that works on earth. but that derelict ship didn't come from earth. it makes more sense to me that they were manufactured. in fact, the eggs blended with the look of the tech on the ship. the pilot was "grown" out of the chair. could be the whole ship, including the eggs were created that way. the idea of the alien being some kind of earth-like marauding space bug seems much more far-fetched and more like an excuse for making an action movie.

at any rate, i don't think we're gonna agree on this. so i'm gonna leave it at that and go watch Alien again.

 

[CelticPredator]

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Wow...I love all this talk about the Hot Toys Big Chap.

Oh...wait...

Whats there to talk about? Its a ^^^^ty figure that looks nothing like the Alien....so...?

 

[Wor-Gar]

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it makes more sense to me that they were manufactured. in fact, the eggs blended with the look of the tech on the ship. the pilot was "grown" out of the chair. could be the whole ship, including the eggs were created that way.

Not sure I follow you here.

Back in 1979, there seemed to be two possible ideas at work in ALIEN regarding the "eggs in the derelict ship": 1) the derelict aliens were transporting their find (the alien eggs) and one got loose (grown inside the pilot with the expolded ribs)... OR 2) the eggs are the remains of the derelict crew (after the alien got done converting them into eggs like Dallas and Brett (in the deleted scenes).

I heard both scenarios at the time. As the ultimate life cycle of the Alien was cut for the final film, I suppose the 'alien cargo' idea became more understandable since it's what was going to happen to the Nostromo if the alien had it's way.

 

[Sabres21768]

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Whats there to talk about? Its a ^^^^ty figure that looks nothing like the Alien....so...?

Well...it KINDA looks like an Alien...so....

 

[MaulFan]

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Keep it clean guys.

 

[Blu Falcon]

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but that derelict ship didn't come from earth. it makes more sense to me that they were manufactured. in fact, the eggs blended with the look of the tech on the ship. the pilot was "grown" out of the chair. could be the whole ship, including the eggs were created that way.

That theory is actually very plausible...

The derelict ship contains several thousand alien eggs. Scott suggests in his Alien DVD commentary that the Jockey's ship was a "bomber": alien eggs could be dropped on an enemy planet, and the aliens would proceed to kill the population as they spawned. According to Cameron, the Space Jockey's craft picked up alien eggs and the pilot became infected by the dangerous cargo; the ship landed on LV-426 and the Space Jockey transmitted the signal as a warning.

Regardless, I think it's unfair to dismiss Cameron's Aliens because it doesn't agree with your idea of how the sequel should have played out. I hold both films in very high regard, and really feel they compliment the other quite well. And if you really, really pay attention to Aliens, there really isn't that much action in it, so I'm not sure where you're getting this "blow ^^^^ up for an hour and a half" idea from. Does is it have more action than Alien? Absolutely! But the movie is very slow to build up to the first confrontation, and there's plenty of lag time between subsequent encounters with the Aliens. The movie is very well paced and not overdone for the sake of being overdone. I mean honestly, the Colonial Marines did not last long going toe to toe with the Aliens at all.

 

[tylerdurden]

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i'm confused. what part of that is "new ideas"?
what Cameron essentially did was make Starship Troopers, took out all the clever social commentary, and replaced it with awkward references to the 1st Alien.

why? the 1st movie just showed a room full of eggs.
there was nothing about a huge bug hive with a big queen bug laying eggs.
the whole point of the big chap alien is it's an ALIEN. not a big ant.

and that's the point.

look, i'm not saying Aliens is a bad movie, i loved it when i was a kid. i'm saying it's a bad sequel. if it had no references to the 1st movie, it would've been great.
Cameron made his name on mindless action movies. he's great at it. there aren't many directors who can pull that off.

dude, u just answered your own question.

cameron introduced the idea of the hive structure, with a central leader (alien queen) that the hive revolved around. is that entirely original? maybe not in the context of mother nature, but it made perfect sense. and who said alien beings cannot have a societal hierarchy similar to what's established with organisms on our planet? last time i checked it was all made-up stuff anyway.

btw, to quote vasquez: "bees, man. bees have hives, not ants."

anyway, in terms of new material, i was referring more to the theme of motherhood that i explained in my earlier post. that was a fresh approach.

also, cameron did provide some degree of social commentary with the war theme. it was a metaphor of sorts for the vietnam war. a technologically-superior military force going into enemy territory with little to no understanding of what it was up against. arrogance that ultimately backfired.

put all these things together and u have so much more than a dumb guns & ammo flick.