1/6 Hot Toys - MMS 249 - The Joker (Bank Robber Version 2.0) - 1/6 - TF Exclusive 2014

[DiFabio]

Probably won't burst for a long time. Too many fans. New fans everyday just discovering. Old fans can say they will quit but in 3 months they will have this BR joker on their shelves.

Yeah, unfortunately you're right.

I'm seeing a lot of people that say they're not liking the price for the recent Predator on here and facebook, that they think it's too much, but they're buying it anyway. It really makes me pause and wonder, why? Same with these figures that have horrible quality control issues. Some folks complain about the lack of quality but then get it anyway (or deal with the damages) because they're a fan of the source material. It's a strange sentiment in my opinion. If someone doesn't like the price or the quality of something, what possesses them to buy it? There are people that aren't even in the collecting game/hobby that don't own a single item and love these movies, characters, etc.

 

[franpincho]

I don't understand why ht catch all this slack,there are companies like iminime selling figures for 4-500 bucks,there unlicensed and not as nice.if I owned ht and saw companies like them getting double what I charge I'm gonna up my price.i think we should be blaming those companies for upping the going rates,not hot toys.

Wth is iminime?

 

[GeneralZodLives]

Wth is iminime?

Awesome and overpriced

 

[Hydeous]

I don't understand why ht catch all this slack,there are companies like iminime selling figures for 4-500 bucks,there unlicensed and not as nice.if I owned ht and saw companies like them getting double what I charge I'm gonna up my price.i think we should be blaming those companies for upping the going rates,not hot toys.

It should be the collectors who are willing to pay for these; not the companies. They are there because theres a demand for it.

 

[Lejuan]

I don't understand why ht catch all this slack,there are companies like iminime selling figures for 4-500 bucks,there unlicensed and not as nice.if I owned ht and saw companies like them getting double what I charge I'm gonna up my price.i think we should be blaming those companies for upping the going rates,not hot toys.

Iminime sets are limited in nature - in that respect they're more desirable to many, and worth the extra coin. An Iminime customer can also be 99% confident that a 2.0 version is not going to hammer the resale value or exclusivity every few years.

 

[a-dev]

Somewhat on that topic I saw this post on facebook.

Hot Toys- I hope you see the affect of your 2.0's by now. You've devalued some of your most sought after figures. Made people question if your products should even be considered a “limited collectible”. You've spit in the face of the collectors that spend the most money on your products. And now the noobs that you are trying to please, are complaining about the price of a figure that should've and would've cost them far more than double what your asking. Noobs that constantly ask for 2.0's are NOT your best customers and should never be considered a priority!!!

2.0's will ruin the market and your company!!! Especially with all the new competition you have, with other companies, customs, and 3D printing. You guys need to have integrity as a “limited edition collectible”, or why would people spend thousands and thousands of dollars on your toys? And don't listen to the people that claim to not care about the value of your products. They are most often the ones complaning about the price!!! They enjoy riding their high horse, but at the end of the day they're full of crap and looking out for their own needs. The irony is when they beg for a 2.0 that will ruin your reputation, then don't even buy the figure because of the price, which is much cheaper than the going rate of the original prior to the 2.0. Or, when people say to stop making Iron Man figures that are actually new figures, saying they're tired of the same thing, only to turn around and ask for a 2.0 of a figure they happen to want. It's becoming quite a joke now.

I agree with some of that at least.

 

[franpincho]

Awesome and overpriced

Hmn. Did a quick search and nothing screams awesome to me.

And the $$$ they ask for those figures is insane.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

Hmn. Did a quick search and nothing screams awesome to me.

And the $$$ they ask for those figures is insane.

I guess awesome because they produce figures that, for the most part, aren't being produced. I just can't rationalize spending the $$ they want for their products. I really wanted the Breaking Bad figures but just too rich for my blood.

 

[franpincho]

Hot Toys - MMS 249 - The Joker (Bank Robber Version 2.0) - 1/6 - TF Exclusive...

I guess awesome because they produce figures that, for the most part, aren't being produced. I just can't rationalize spending the $$ they want for their products. I really wanted the Breaking Bad figures but just too rich for my blood.

Agreed. Awesome licenses I'd love to own in 1/6 (Kill Bill) but way out of my price range and not all that cool looking.

 

[Mike86]

Somewhat on that topic I saw this post on facebook.



I agree with some of that at least.

Honestly could the guy who wrote that be more dramatic? . He doesn't seem to realize Hot Toys is in business to make money. If the demand for a 2.0 version of a character is there why wouldn't they take advantage? Honestly "fans" like that guy bother me too. It's like they have this mentality that something they bought should be strictly a limited edition and new fans shouldn't be able to get figures that were already made because they missed out the first time. It's just dumb and childish thinking.

 

[Hydeous]

Somewhat on that topic I saw this post on facebook.



I agree with some of that at least.

I can relate to him a bit.

I was like that 2-3 years ago when HT starts to re-do their recent figures, before then, HT was a "By Collector, for collector" company which was kinda unique and first of its kind (unlike Hasbro, Bandai) which interacts with its fans directly.

As with other big businesses, as soon as they grew larger, they seem to start thinking more like an enterprise now. I dont really blame em, as thats just how the whole thing works. I just buy less and is more selective now.

 

[Mike86]

The thing is though that's how businesses work. In order to grow and expand they capitalize on things that are popular so that people who didn't buy it the first time around get a chance to and if fans who've been around decide they want to upgrade that's a bonus sale. You can't blame Hot Toys for doing what any business would do.

 

[DiFabio]

Other businesses and companies also don't have as many licenses to choose from . . .

Hot Toys has em all. Lego is a successful enterprise with just about every license there is and we don't see them doing re-dos or 2.0s or 3.0s or trying to cater to new comers. You'll get your occasional Millenium Falcon, but it's usually a completely different theme change with different characters. No redos. They're not just pumping out Iron Man and Batman like fiends, they have a nice variety of everything from Disney to their own Simpsons. Always fresh, new and exciting.

Hot Toys is more like Hasbro with their Clone Troopers or Mattel with their Barbies.

 

[Mike86]

It's not like the bulk of the releases they do are 2.0's though. They've done some but it's largely popular characters that will sell again. They put out plenty of new product, the problem is that right now it tends to be a lot of Marvel and DC stuff because it's hot right now. For people who aren't fans of that stuff I get the frustration but at the same time from a business stance what they're doing makes total sense.

 

[DVD1]

I have no issue with 2.0 releases . It'll allow me to get this Joker and it got me the other Joker as well.
If I had either, I wouldn't have bothered with the 2.0 version. I think its a great way for collectors to get past figures.

 

[dominishin]

Lego certainly does do redos and updates. But it's pretty much just Star Wars stuff. How many X-wings are there??

Most people don't get upset over it though, they welcome the increase in accuracy. HT only took a tiny step up with this release. It's pretty much the same as the first except it's tailored and painted better... they didn't give us a watch, white buttons, bluer shirt, or any of that increase in accuracy.

 

[Hydeous]

They'll do it for the 3.0.


Hopefully.

 

[DVD1]

The $300 price may not be far from the truth.
My local toy shop contacted me today with a price range of 2000rmb to 2700rmb. Not an exact price I know, but it hasn't yet been finalized. So a little bit more than the first text hinted at. That's as much as near three times Supes from last year.

 

[vodoun]

Other businesses and companies also don't have as many licenses to choose from . . .

Hot Toys has em all. Lego is a successful enterprise with just about every license there is and we don't see them doing re-dos or 2.0s or 3.0s or trying to cater to new comers. You'll get your occasional Millenium Falcon, but it's usually a completely different theme change with different characters. No redos. They're not just pumping out Iron Man and Batman like fiends, they have a nice variety of everything from Disney to their own Simpsons. Always fresh, new and exciting.

Hot Toys is more like Hasbro with their Clone Troopers or Mattel with their Barbies.

They don't do reissues either. https://bbrmodels.it/our-passion/

If you miss out, tough. There's always next years car. Plus most of their cars start from €175 = $238 and some as high in the $6xx's and they truly are limited. On the plaque it tells you x out of xx/x and comes with certificate of authentication.

 

[karamazov80]

The Iminime comparison is totally apples to oranges. Their figures usually have a production run of < 100, and appeal to a relatively niche group of collectors who want products HT won't go after who are obviously willing to pay more for the product. The price is totally understandable if you consider that the sculpting, casting, painting, tailoring, figure assembly, packaging, and shipping are all done in-house by a smallish number of guys who all have to be financially supported by these figures. On top of that, Denny Kim (the guy behind them) takes feedback from collectors to heart, and will usually address major concerns in an attempt to pursue screen accuracy and other concerns of his customer base. You certainly don't get that with HT, who pump out thousands of figures at a time, don't appear to hand paint all (if any) of their figures anymore, no doubt has factories to handle the tailoring issues and other aspects of production. Then, HT has regional distributors to handle getting product into customers' hands, while Iminime does all that in-house. As such, the prices are justified in both instances, but they are not remotely comparable. It's fine if a collector wants to say "a nice figure is worth $X and I won't pay more." But it's not very reasonable to compare these two entities as if they are one and the same when they are so fundamentally different.