Hot Toys - MMS179 - The Amazing Spider-Man: Spider-Man

[DiFabio]

Close enough.

 

[galmando]

yeah, if you break it down into cm/inches/number of webs etc, they are different

but at a first glance these suits are incredibly similar

 

[Rorywan]

I always hated the fact that Toby's suit looked like CG. Way too perfect for any kind of reality. I mean it looks perfectly airbrushed. He's supposed to be a poor kid.

I guess it helped match the FX.

 

[SixthScaleEdward]

On the other hand, I missed out on the HT Raimi Spider-Man, and don't want to she'll out eBay prices to get him now. This is "classic" Spidey so I'll happily buy him. But I agree, if I had the original figure I wouldn't even consider this.

Same situation for me.

 

[Rorywan]

Same situation for me.

I thought both HT Raimi Spiderman figures were excellent. Love the movies or not, they just look like beautiful classic Spidermen.

 

[SixthScaleEdward]

Raimi Spidey was the Spidey I grew up with, so that will always have a special place in my heart.
It's unfortunate I missed out on the Raimi R&B HT fig. Seeing this now makes me happy.

 

[AIR]

I like the new suit overall, but there is just something about the two horizontal rows of web going across the belt that bugs me.

 

[jedijim3002]

I hear what your saying Rory but poor kids would probably be better at sewing their own stuff because they can't buy it. Necessity breeds skill.

I'm poor and I've made all kinds of stuff that I otherwise couldn't afford to buy. So him being poor I don't think has anything to do with it. Maybe the material he used is a better example. Silicon rubber webbing patterns and materials to make them are expensive. So a poor kid couldn't necessarily get his hands on it. Especially if he needs to enter a wrestling match just to buy a car to impress a girl. Lol

 

[Rorywan]

I hear what your saying Rory but poor kids would probably be better at sewing their own stuff because they can't buy it. Necessity breeds skill.

I'm poor and I've made all kinds of stuff that I otherwise couldn't afford to buy. So him being poor I don't think has anything to do with it. Maybe the material he used is a better example. Silicon rubber webbing patterns and materials to make them are expensive. So a poor kid couldn't necessarily get his hands on it. Especially if he needs to enter a wrestling match just to buy a car to impress a girl. Lol

C'mon, latex molding in a workshop and muscle airbrushing? his suit looked CGI and designed to death. It was perfect, I spent 4 years studying design and I couldn't make that! He barely had a door in his apartment! I mean that video showed how crazy the work load was to make a perfect suit, dozens of highly skilled model makers individually moulding, casting then cutting webs? Looked great but was totally unrealistic. What I loved about 89 Bats, was that it looked kinda crude and believable and to some extent thats also true of TASM, eyes made of sunglasses, and basket ball rubber with trainers. I guess it just made more sense to me. But hey, we all like what we like.

You do it cause you are creative mate, Parker was supposed to be bit of a loser teenager. The fact he had no money made more sense in TASM. IMO.

 

[DiFabio]

TASM is more complex than the new one or the Raimi suits.

I know it tries to explain that he cobbled it together himself, but it doesn't fly in my opinion.


How does some kid make this?

In reality, it'd look like this.

I like the fact that in the original Spider-Man we don't see how he got his final duds. Did he make em? Did someone give it to him (the novel for the movie states that someone offers it to him after the wrestling show)? Who knows.

 

[Ultron-7]

TASM is more complex than the new one or the Raimi suits.

I know it tries to explain that he cobbled it together himself, but it doesn't fly in my opinion.


How does some kid make this?

I like the fact that in the original Spider-Man we don't see how he got his final duds. Did he make em? Did someone give it to him (the novel for the movie states that someone offers it to him after the wrestling show)? Who knows.

I thought this as well, what did the suit look like that he ordered as the base for this?

 

[Mad Old Lu]

I like the new ASM 2 suit! I was considering getting the ASM 1 figure because I missed out on the Raimi SM3 figure, but now I'll just wait for the ASM 2 figure!

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

This guy made it

https://www.therpf.com/f24/amazing-spider-man-premiere-pics-wearing-my-mcl34n-suit-153015/

and this guy made a decent one.

And er...

 

[Rorywan]

TASM is more complex than the new one or the Raimi suits.

I know it tries to explain that he cobbled it together himself, but it doesn't fly in my opinion.


How does some kid make this?

In reality, it'd look like this.

I like the fact that in the original Spider-Man we don't see how he got his final duds. Did he make em? Did someone give it to him (the novel for the movie states that someone offers it to him after the wrestling show)? Who knows.

yeah, listen it's all silly stuff, non of it makes actual sense, but TASM tried to make it a bit real. It looked a bit rawer, rather than looking CGI perfect. It was the raised webs that threw it for me. It just looked so complex (completely beautiful) but crazy OTT. I don't agree that TASM was a more complex looking suit than Raimi's. It was a one layer rubber, spandex suit, like a wet suit. The Raimi version had "painted" air-brushed muscles and complex printed varnish processes and raised flexible webbing.



Love this!

and in reality, I would prefer that it felt more like this.. a real kid in a suit...

 

[DiFabio]

The Raimi version had "painted" air-brushed muscles and complex printed varnish processes and raised flexible webbing.

Air-brushed muscles??

 

[Rorywan]

Air-brushed muscles??

Invisible/Not really noticible on screen, photographic stuff? The Maguire suit has the airbrushing as a fundamental part of the on screen design. Straws:clutching?
What about the rest of the stuff Fab?

 

[DiFabio]

But it's still air brushing, how am I reaching for straws? It is what it is. It's not as noticeable in TASM? Alright, but it's still there. Let's not forget that a majority of the scenes take place . . . at night. Most of the scenes in the original Spider-Man films are in broad day light. Give me a scene from the first three films where the suit looks distractingly and unconvincingly air brushed. If there are (and I'm sure there are a few), I bet it takes place during the day, if it's noticeable at all.


Besides, isn't the air brushing part of the "movie magic"? It's not a kid physically spray painting muscles on the suit, it's Peter/Spider-Man's actual physique, whether it's Maguire or Garfield.




And lenses and raised anything (doesn't matter if it's webbing, a spider or texture) are featured on both suits, are they not? I really don't get the argument here.


The Raimi suit is too "well done", "perfect" and looks like a professional crew put it together, but the Webb one doesn't/isn't? Huh? How about that patterning on the Webb version? That's waaaaaay more complicated than the Raimi one. Am I supposed to believe a kid put that together?



There's nothing about TASM suit that convinces me that a kid put it together. Yes, there are a few quick shots of him looking at websites and coming across pics of sports gear spandex, but nothing like the end result of the final costume in the movie.


How did he get that great texture? How did he manage to cut those perfect eye holes and put the lenses in? What's the material of that great, flawless spider that he has on his chest? How did he cut that without a machine or professional cutters? How does the mask fit perfectly on his face/head without the use of the molded helmet?



The answer? Sony Pictures and artists. Same people that helped bring the first three to life.

 

[Rorywan]

But it's still air brushing, how am I reaching for straws? It is what it is. It's not as noticeable in TASM? Alright, but it's still there. Let's not forget that a majority of the scenes take place . . . at night. Most of the scenes in the original Spider-Man films are in broad day light. Give me a scene from the first three films where the suit looks distractingly and unconvincingly air brushed. If there are (and I'm sure there are a few), I bet it takes place during the day, if it's noticeable at all.


Besides, isn't the air brushing part of the "movie magic"? It's not a kid physically spray painting muscles on the suit, it's Peter/Spider-Man's actual physique, whether it's Maguire or Garfield.




And lenses and raised anything (doesn't matter if it's webbing, a spider or texture) are featured on both suits, are they not? I really don't get the argument here.


The Raimi suit is too "well done", "perfect" and looks like a professional crew put it together, but the Webb one doesn't/isn't? Huh? How about that patterning on the Webb version? That's waaaaaay more complicated than the Raimi one. Am I supposed to believe a kid put that together?



There's nothing about TASM suit that convinces me that a kid put it together. Yes, there are a few quick shots of him looking at websites and coming across pics of sports gear spandex, but nothing like the end result of the final costume in the movie.


How did he get that great texture? How did he manage to cut those perfect eye holes and put the lenses in? What's the material of that great, flawless spider that he has on his chest? How did he cut that without a machine or professional cutters? How does the mask fit perfectly on his face/head without the use of the molded helmet?



The answer? Sony Pictures and artists. Same people that helped bring the first three to life.

I think the simple answer to this conversation is that it's a generational issue. Anyone of the right age when Raimi's trilogy came out, can see no problems with it. Thats understandable, the rose tinted googles of youth can massively effect ones perception of a movie or other popular media. I know I still love The Black Hole and original tron, no matter how flawed they actually are.

For me I was waiting for years for a spidey movie, I got super hyped for camerons proposed version, cutting edge and what not. Then we got a very cartoony trilogy, with green power rangers and silly cheesy acting. So no love there for me. But each to their own.



(waits for infuriated Fab to go in for the kill)

 

[DiFabio]

We're probably roughly the same age though, so what does "right age" mean? Were you a kid in the 80s, early 90s? I was, I assume you were too. Raimi Spider-Man wasn't my first exposure to the character, in fact, I was probably "too old for it" and the "wrong age". James Cameron's Spider-Man would have been "my Spider-Man", that was a decade or two earlier!

So that means we weren't "kids" per se for the Raimi stuff and DEFINITELY not anywhere close to being kids for ASM which is less than a year old. So how is youth involved? If we're going to have that argument about "rose tinted glasses", then how about the modernity card? Maybe you just like ASM because it's newer and you're blind to the flaws.


I mean, weren't you the "right age" when the Spider-Man film came out in 2002? You'd be a younger person, more youthful right?


And back to the original James Cameron treatment, what makes you think you would have dug that? He would have used . . . organic webbing (can't remember if that bothers you or not) and a GREAT sex scene between Spider-Man and MJ on top of a bridge . . . with them doing it on a wall!


I've seen your gripes about the original three movies, but ASM is really less cartoony and kiddy than the other three? Really? Even Spider-Man 2?

CGI talking lizard man with his lil' lizards is more serious than Green Goblin ranger? There's no silly cheesy acting in TASM?

 

[Web_Head91]

I think the simple answer to this conversation is that it's a generational issue. Anyone of the right age when Raimi's trilogy came out, can see no problems with it.

Now just hold on a second.

I was "of the right age", I think, when Raimi's movies were out, and while I loved them at the time, I've since become a comic book reader and I've learned a lot more about Spider-Man. As a Spider-Man fan now, I hate those movies. Reading the Amazing Spider-Man, dabbling in some other comic incarnations of him, watching the 90's cartoon (and that super old cartoon from, what, the 60's?), playing so many different Spider-Man video games that I've lost count...it's all made me realize how awful those films are.

I don't pretend to be a super fan, or even a life long fan. But when I get interested in something, I have a tendency to become obsessed, and I absorb anything and everything that I can that is related to the obsession. So at the risk of sounding arrogant, I think I know my stuff when it comes to Spider-Man (more so than a casual fan, anyway). So my theory is that it's not so much an age thing, but an interest/knowledge thing. A lot of the people I know who like Raimi's films haven't read the comics, and don't know anything about Spider-Man other than what they've seen in those three films.

Many of the people I know who are actually into Spider-Man, though, dislike Raimi's films. I'd definitely say that the less someone knows about Spider-Man, the more likely they are to enjoy Raimi's films.

Goodness, I can't wait until this figure arrives so we can have something new to talk about haha.