Hot Toys MMS429 - Return of the Jedi Luke Skywalker

[alucard1138]

Like I said, I totally understand wishing it were an all-in-one DX like DX07. But that is assuming it would have been for the initial release. The part I think is funny and honestly stupid, is that people are suddenly getting up in arms and shouting betrayal when the pre-order for this goes up, even though they've already purchased their ROTJ figure and we knew an Endor Version was coming. The bottom line is they were going to complain no matter what, and they're honestly just complaining about having extra options at this point.

The complaint is 100% valid if both figures were currently up for Pre-Order. It's also 100% valid to go "man, I do wish it were all one release initially". It is stupid to buy the original figure and then go "I'm being betrayed by HT because the variant version (that I knew was coming before my other figure shipped) has some options that I feel like I should have gotten!". Well, now those people have those options to buy them parted out and they're still complaining.

Honestly I think people were way more salty about the Comic Con RotS Anakin, didn't he basically come exactly the same just with an alternate head with Sith eyes? Yea Had they done something like that here I think people would be super pissed. So long as I get my hands on the Endor helmet and poncho I'm good, extra hair and heads are cool but I don't have to have them.

 

[Smash]

Honestly I think people were way more salty about the Comic Con RotS Anakin, didn't he basically come exactly the same just with an alternate head with Sith eyes? Yea Had they done something like that here I think people would be super pissed. So long as I get my hands on the Endor helmet and poncho I'm good, extra hair and heads are cool but I don't have to have them.

Yep, just a different HS and an extra base. Not sure if the hands were actually painted differently to match the skin of the HS, but otherwise yeah same fig.

 

[SilverStar17]

To me, to put it succinctly: the deluxe complete pack is what’s throwing everyone off.

Like I said, out of the gate I think they should have either released one complete RotJ package, or just had two separate releases (this release and an Endor version), and leave it at that. All HT ever teased was the Endor figure alone, so I can see why people got this figure with the intention of getting the Endor figure as well. They can still do that apparently, but now they also find out that they’d only have to pay $282 for all looks in the deluxe set, as opposed to $460 by getting two separate figures. Not to mention, the deluxe set cannibalizes sales of this figure, which is still readily available.

Not everyone is going to be completely happy any route you go, but you just have to go the route that has the least amount of negative ramifications. Releasing this figure first, then releasing a separate Endor figure and in addition a complete set a year later, wasn’t the best idea in my opinion. For all parties.

Simply sell what parts you don’t want on eBay, simply buy what parts you don’t have, it goes both ways.

 

[Smash]

To me, to put it succinctly: the deluxe complete pack is what’s throwing everyone off.

Like I said, out of the gate I think they should have either released one complete RotJ package, or just had two separate releases (this release and an Endor version), and leave it at that. All HT ever teased was the Endor figure alone, so I can see why people got this figure with the intention of getting the Endor figure as well. They can still do that apparently, but now they find out that they’d only have to pay $282 for all looks in the deluxe set, as opposed to $460 by getting two separate figures. Not to mention, the deluxe set cannibalizes sales of this figure, which is still readily available.

Nobody is going to be happy any route you go, but you just have to go the route that has the least negative ramifications. Releasing this figure first, then releasing a separate Endor figure and in addition a complete set, wasn’t the best idea in my opinion. For all parties.

Simply sell what parts you don’t want on eBay, simply buy what parts you don’t have, it goes both ways.

Agree completely with your last point - but I will say that the announcement of this actually makes me think more about buying the initial release. I feel like most people who wanted an ROTJ Luke to begin with would either display the DS2 scene Luke or him with the robe, you get both those options with the first release. I doubt if it were an all-in-one there would be tons of people wanting to only display him with the endor outfit. In all honesty, many people (myself included) would buy two of the DX to have both DS2 and Endor or whatever IF it included the same stuff as the first release. I think the forward-facing sculpt, cloak, and the DS2 base are enough to make the first release stand out.

 

[alucard1138]

It feels like Hot Toys is always sneaking up on me trying to get their hands on my wallet and take my money. Dang I wish I could just get all these figures!

 

[SilverStar17]

Agree completely with your last point - but I will say that the announcement of this actually makes me think more about buying the initial release. I feel like most people who wanted an ROTJ Luke to begin with would either display the DS2 scene Luke or him with the robe, you get both those options with the first release. I doubt if it were an all-in-one there would be tons of people wanting to only display him with the endor outfit. In all honesty, many people (myself included) would buy two of the DX to have both DS2 and Endor or whatever IF it included the same stuff as the first release. I think the forward-facing sculpt, cloak, and the DS2 base are enough to make the first release stand out.

That’s why I’m glad for this figure. I don’t want the Endor gear, just the Jedi and DS II outfits.

That’s another reason why I think solely two separate figure releases would have been best. There are way too many different outfits in RotJ to have only one figure with. You’d need at least two figures in my opinion.

 

[dukefett]

Lmao... so you are upset it's not released as numerous different figures or just already parted out for you?

Here's a bright idea for ya then - buy the parts you want loose on eBay, TA, etc.. If you're cool with spending $125 for a couple extra accessories, I'm sure you'll be able to get the poncho, cap, and probably the windswept hair for that. Your complaints make no sense. HT releases are always parted out both by sites like TA, MonkeyDepot, and of course eBay. You'd be complaining just as much if they released $100 accessory packs of a few parts each. And before this was announced, no one even knew we were going to get the extra deleted scene stuff - so what are you actually complaining about here? What is your ideal solution? Assuming you've already purchased the ROTJ figure, how could they have done this differently to please you in a way that you can't just do by buying the extra stuff you want loose?

I would really love to hear how it could have been done differently for you post-release of the original figure you already bought, because it sounds like you were going to complain no matter what version of Endor Luke they put out. You are literally complaining about having more options. It sounds like some of you would have liked it if Endor Luke was just the poncho and cap/teeth sculpt so you could say "yeah, good with my other one". But you're only complaining now because there are other parts in this that you want... which again, just buy them loose.

These complaints come across as, "**** you Hot Toys, now I have to spend more money if I want to have more extra options for how to display my Luke that I already bought and was happy with! I can buy them parted out by themselves but that's evil too!". So again, what would you have liked?

And actually, yes they have released variants within the same year. Sith Anakin is a big one for Star Wars that just happened. However, I'd say we got even less notice on that as we saw Endor Luke well before ROTJ Luke was actually shipping... so if people were upset about it then, they could have cancelled their order and said "I'll wait". And people aren't going to get the whole package with the new DX, either. They don't get the robe, normal forward-facing sculpt, base, extra hands, etc.

I wouldn't have been annoyed if the Endor version was just that, an Endor version, throw in the deleted scenes stuff too if you must. But give it the other hair too. If you want all the looks you have to buy the Deluxe, you can't just buy the Endor version. That's what's annoying, being forced to buy the big set, getting everything you already have, to get the few parts that actually matter. Headsculpts for HTs are the biggest draw; it's what sets these apart from other toys when you have someone look at them.

DS Anakin was different to me in that he didn't come with the regular head, it's a DS Anakin. If it came with both heads than it would've been just as bad IMO. It's a variant as you said. The Deluxe Luke isn't a variant of the first Jedi Luke, it's practically the same figure with a lot more stuff.

Honestly I think people were way more salty about the Comic Con RotS Anakin, didn't he basically come exactly the same just with an alternate head with Sith eyes? Yea Had they done something like that here I think people would be super pissed. So long as I get my hands on the Endor helmet and poncho I'm good, extra hair and heads are cool but I don't have to have them.

Yep, just a different HS and an extra base. Not sure if the hands were actually painted differently to match the skin of the HS, but otherwise yeah same fig.

It's not exactly the same, and different as I said above. Each one comes with ONE head, and the DS one doesn't come with Dooku's saber, the regular doesn't come with the big base. The two bases for Luke are different but neither that special. The deluxe one reuses the same mold they've used for a bunch of stands.

To me, to put it succinctly: the deluxe complete pack is what’s throwing everyone off.

Like I said, out of the gate I think they should have either released one complete RotJ package, or just had two separate releases (this release and an Endor version), and leave it at that. All HT ever teased was the Endor figure alone, so I can see why people got this figure with the intention of getting the Endor figure as well. They can still do that apparently, but now they also find out that they’d only have to pay $282 for all looks in the deluxe set, as opposed to $460 by getting two separate figures. Not to mention, the deluxe set cannibalizes sales of this figure, which is still readily available.

Not everyone is going to be completely happy any route you go, but you just have to go the route that has the least negative ramifications. Releasing this figure first, then releasing a separate Endor figure and in addition a complete set a year later, wasn’t the best idea in my opinion. For all parties.

Simply sell what parts you don’t want on eBay, simply buy what parts you don’t have, it goes both ways.

This is it pretty much.

 

[Wor-Gar]

It feels like Hot Toys is always sneaking up on me trying to get their hands on my wallet and take my money. Dang I wish I could just get all these figures!

At least he's giving the man a reach-around.

 

[SilverStar17]

At least he's giving the man a reach-around.

I was looking at this photo thinking something similar, but didn’t want to say anything.

 

[Wor-Gar]

...but didn’t want to say anything.

Always speak your mind, son.

 

[punisher1974]

It feels like Hot Toys is always sneaking up on me trying to get their hands on my wallet and take my money. Dang I wish I could just get all these figures!

"Poe is that you?"

 

[Smash]

I wouldn't have been annoyed if the Endor version was just that, an Endor version, throw in the deleted scenes stuff too if you must. But give it the other hair too. If you want all the looks you have to buy the Deluxe, you can't just buy the Endor version. That's what's annoying, being forced to buy the big set, getting everything you already have, to get the few parts that actually matter. Headsculpts for HTs are the biggest draw; it's what sets these apart from other toys when you have someone look at them.

DS Anakin was different to me in that he didn't come with the regular head, it's a DS Anakin. If it came with both heads than it would've been just as bad IMO. It's a variant as you said. The Deluxe Luke isn't a variant of the first Jedi Luke, it's practically the same figure with a lot more stuff.





It's not exactly the same, and different as I said above. Each one comes with ONE head, and the DS one doesn't come with Dooku's saber, the regular doesn't come with the big base. The two bases for Luke are different but neither that special. The deluxe one reuses the same mold they've used for a bunch of stands.



This is it pretty much.

Not trying to be a ****, but genuinely curious, you do know the sculpt is not exactly the same as the initial release right? The new one has eyes painted looking to the left which (IMO) looks pretty funky. You're not being forced to buy anything. If you want the extra parts the DX comes with, grab that or just buy the parts you want parted out and it'll be cheaper than the normal endor release. That's like saying the DX Boba is a scam because they're forcing you to buy it if you want extra ways to display the figure.

I really don't understand the complaint. If it were just the endor figure (only poncho+sculpt), would you have bought it? If so, then just buy the normal one if you want. Or, if you want the extra parts and the endor figure, the deluxe is a sweet deal. If not, and you just want the extra hair/angry face for your MM429 Luke then you can buy that loose cheaper than the cost of a figure, and probably even cheaper than your proposed accessory pack price of $125.

People that just buy the new DX are NOT getting the 429 + extra stuff. They don't get the cloak, they don't get any of those bases, they don't get the normal (most important IMO) face sculpt that isn't looking off to the side, and they don't get anywhere near as many hands. If you're planning on just having one figure, then you can buy parts from this loose if you want to which you wouldn't have had the option to otherwise. If you want a DS2 Luke and an Endor figure, you have that option too. So I really don't understand what the issue is.

I'm not sure why the solution for people is having two separate figures of just endor Luke and just DS2 Luke. People would still be complaining about it not coming all-in-one, which is fair for before these came out. What my point is, that I'm not sure you're getting, is that it's pointless for people to complain after the MMS429 has already been released and you're now just getting more options.

 

[alucard1138]

At least he's giving the man a reach-around.

Haha he is giving a reach around. I repurposed this pic, was originally for all my buddies saying the new trilogy is molesting the og trilogy lol (I like the new trilogy, my friends do not)

 

[Popnfresh98]

Right, because reading 10 pages of people whining about being "betrayed" by Hot Toys for double dipping, when those people literally double dipped and bought 2 ROTJ figures is reasonable and sound logic. You quoted me three times and still misread it.

I'm not making fun of people that buy multiples of the same figure. What I was pointing out was people are complaining about Hot Toys releasing another version of it with different options, when they purchased two of the same just to be able to display one with a cloak and one without and then getting upset at HT calling it a "double dipping money grab!!".

If people want to buy 10 of the same figure, that's totally cool. But then it's hypocritical for them to whine about being betrayed and calling it a money grab when they announce another version. Again, not going to type everything out again (thanks for putting it all in one place for people to read so easily btw)... but what would the people who are upset have liked instead? People are complaining saying it should have been a DX/all-in-one AFTER they already purchased the original Luke. If this figure came with a hood and the forward facing sculpt, people would be more upset because they already bought the first anyway. I can understand the reaction to wanting it all as a DX when ROTJ Luke was announced and the SDCC was shown, but complaining about it after you've already purchased the figure literally has no point.

These people can buy the parts loose now if they want them. If they don't, they should be happy with their ROTJ release. If they want the new figure, they can have that to. Again, I'll reiterate that many people complaining are acting as if they should just get all the extra stuff for free.

To me, this is all great news. For people that just want to pick up the poncho, they can do that now. For people who just want some extra black gloved hands, yay. Hair, etc. People have options now that they didn't have a few days ago. Not sure how anyone can consider that a bad thing.

I didn’t misread it. I just didn’t think it was necessary to type out the whole thing given we knew the context of the situation. But alright, let me make it more clear:

You were making fun of those who bought more than one RotJ Luke for options, and are now complaining about the release of this figure as they bought multiples of the other first. And let’s be clear, there’s no other way to read this line than ‘making fun of [that particular group]:’

And let's be real, tons of the people complaining are the same people who bought 2 of the first version because they wanted more options lmao

And let’s not forget you did say they’re being moronic, which I’m pretty sure is against the rules here

But I’m glad you responded like that as it’s made it clear you lack any kind of comprehension of context, even after reading so many pages of people’s posts saying the same things over and over, which is made clear by lines like ‘everyone knew Endor Luke was coming’ and ‘people are acting like they want the DX stuff for free’

First of all, yes people knew Endor Luke was coming, but as Silverstar pointed out, no one knew he was coming in this context. They made the decision based on the knowledge they had. Had they known a deluxe was coming mere months after the first release, including most of everything from both releases, they would likely have bought that. The problem is solely with the deluxe, not the general Endor release as you keep implying. And I’m saying this as someone who doesn’t even want it as I got a great deal on Jedi Luke and I’d never even display him with the Endor or sandstorm looks.

Secondly, no one is ‘acting like they want it for free.’ They were all willing to pay had they known, and I’m sure people would have paid even slightly more to have the cuffs and cloak included, making it a ‘complete’ release. Just because you’re making these baseless assumptions, doesn’t make them true.

Thirdly, your solution consisting of just telling people to buy the parts is ridiculous as well. Different people have different financial situations, and not everyone wants to spend more than they were expecting, and others don’t want to start doling out parts on eBay. It might apply to those that have a free hand, but it’s certainly not an end-all, be-all solution.

And lastly, as Dukefett pointed out, no one expected the accessory pack to be $30 (you get a pair of shoes in that price in the 1/6 world), you’re just pulling those points out of thin air and applying them to the situation like they’re real.

I honestly don’t get why you’re making up so many things and why all of this is so hard for you to understand. I’m not even in their camp and I can understand their concern, and it’s clear many others can. Hell I don’t even care if you disagree honestly, it’s just the insulting was unnecessary. I wouldn’t have even bothered to respond had you not done that.

I do agree on the options point you made for the extra gloved hands and the poncho. But again, that would not be an issue if they offered this in the first place. In my case, I only would have bought the ‘light’ Jedi release with just the cloak and cuffs anyway, had here been one.

I’m in the same camp.

This MMS429 release is perfect for me because I’ve never been a fan of the Endor gear. Jedi and DS II looks are all I wanted. Like you said, I can understand though why some people who got this figure might feel a bit miffed. All HT ever teased and displayed at cons was an Endor Luke; they never gave any indication they were going to do a complete set that included just about every look. So I can see why people might have purchased this figure, fully expecting them to release merely a separate Endor figure (like they’d shown), only to have HT release a compete deluxe set. So in addition to having paid the $229 for this figure, they now have to also pay $282 if they want an Endor Luke as opposed to another $229, and had they not already gotten this figure, would have only had to pay $282 to get both essentially this figure and the Endor figure in one grab.

Exactly, thank you for putting it more eloquently.

And for those like you and I who only really wanted the looks of the first release, we’re fine as we are. I’m also not too keen on the sculpts in the deluxe honestly, I don’t like the gritted teeth look, or the ‘windswept’ look. It looks more like it’s styled that way,

In my case I also received a $50 off coupon from sideshow which brought the price further down. It was only valid for in stock items and expired in January so that was a no brainer for me.

 

[chewblacca]

Wor-gar for the win!

 

[chemicals]

Not really happy with the way this release was handled. Really think that an accessory pack should have been released alongside these full figure versions, or the original release should have been a DX.

I'll try my luck getting the extra head and hair sculpts when this releases, but I won't be buying the figure.

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I cant be the only one upset about this right? It feels so deceptive to show this figure right after the other one. No one on reddit seems to care

 

[SilverStar17]

Exactly, thank you for putting it more eloquently.

And for those like you and I who only really wanted the looks of the first release, we’re fine as we are. I’m also not too keen on the sculpts in the deluxe honestly, I don’t like the gritted teeth look, or the ‘windswept’ look. It looks more like it’s styled that way,

In my case I also received a $50 off coupon from sideshow which brought the price further down. It was only valid for in stock items and expired in January so that was a no brainer for me.

Yep. I got what I wanted out of just this figure alone. However, I realize that some only got half of what they wanted and are realizing that they now could have had all of what they wanted for only $50 more, and can understand how someone who got this figure may feel a bit misled because they were under the impression that HT was going to release just an Endor version. I even thought that’s what they were going to do based on the information given. I think a lot of people were, hence why there was a thread created for an Endor Luke figure.

And I agree that it’s not as easy as saying the simple solution is to just sell what you don’t want on eBay, or simply buy the parts you don’t have. Not everyone has the time or patience to sit down and list several items on eBay, and a lot of parted out parts aren’t cheap. Even sculpts usually go for about $100 on eBay, which is roughly half the price of a figure. With this figure being $229, I can easily imagine the total cost after collecting the parts you want, would be well over $282.

Personally, there’s so many outfit display options in RotJ, I think you’d need at least two figures anyway if you have an interest in them all. Four different outfits with only one figure seems a bit much to me.

 

[chemicals]

Like I said, I totally understand wishing it were an all-in-one DX like DX07. But that is assuming it would have been for the initial release. The part I think is funny and honestly stupid, is that people are suddenly getting up in arms and shouting betrayal when the pre-order for this goes up, even though they've already purchased their ROTJ figure and we knew an Endor Version was coming. The bottom line is they were going to complain no matter what, and they're honestly just complaining about having extra options at this point.

The complaint is 100% valid if both figures were currently up for Pre-Order. It's also 100% valid to go "man, I do wish it were all one release initially". It is stupid to buy the original figure and then go "I'm being betrayed by HT because the variant version (that I knew was coming before my other figure shipped) has some options that I feel like I should have gotten!". Well, now those people have those options to buy them parted out and they're still complaining.

My problem with this is timing. If they had just announced them all at the same time I’d have no problem with this. But the Deluxe new one seems like a cash grab to all those who bought the original which already had the magnetic hair. So they were clearly planning this. Cause now you get the “proper” hair in the wind unlike the original

 

[dukefett]

Not trying to be a ****, but genuinely curious, you do know the sculpt is not exactly the same as the initial release right? The new one has eyes painted looking to the left which (IMO) looks pretty funky. You're not being forced to buy anything. If you want the extra parts the DX comes with, grab that or just buy the parts you want parted out and it'll be cheaper than the normal endor release. That's like saying the DX Boba is a scam because they're forcing you to buy it if you want extra ways to display the figure.

I really don't understand the complaint. If it were just the endor figure (only poncho+sculpt), would you have bought it? If so, then just buy the normal one if you want. Or, if you want the extra parts and the endor figure, the deluxe is a sweet deal. If not, and you just want the extra hair/angry face for your MM429 Luke then you can buy that loose cheaper than the cost of a figure, and probably even cheaper than your proposed accessory pack price of $125.

People that just buy the new DX are NOT getting the 429 + extra stuff. They don't get the cloak, they don't get any of those bases, they don't get the normal (most important IMO) face sculpt that isn't looking off to the side, and they don't get anywhere near as many hands. If you're planning on just having one figure, then you can buy parts from this loose if you want to which you wouldn't have had the option to otherwise. If you want a DS2 Luke and an Endor figure, you have that option too. So I really don't understand what the issue is.

I'm not sure why the solution for people is having two separate figures of just endor Luke and just DS2 Luke. People would still be complaining about it not coming all-in-one, which is fair for before these came out. What my point is, that I'm not sure you're getting, is that it's pointless for people to complain after the MMS429 has already been released and you're now just getting more options.

It's not just more options. It's the same thing minus a few minor accessories. Yes I know the this head is looking to the side, and honestly I think I prefer that since I think he's a little dead eyed looking straight to me, but that's personal preference.

The deluxe Boba isn't a scam because A) those weren't even featured in the movie and B) you lose nothing movie accurate by just getting the regular version. Plus they were up for preorder at the same time.

If it were just an Endor version with the new head and the extra hair sculpt, I would have gotten the Endor version. But it doesn't come with the other hair, so now I'd have to buy the Deluxe. This is what I keep saying, 2 separate releases that add up to a great one is fine if both have their merits.

But buying the Deluxe leaving almost nothing besides the cloak/binders for the other release. You can get the cloak for nothing on eBay because of the amount of people who just want a DS2 version, it's not like it's a highly sought after part (right now anyway). The base for MMS429 can also be had fairly cheaply on eBay when I looked at sold auctions. Those aren't big selling points. There's a million cloaks and bases out there.

 

[Smash]

I didn’t misread it. I just didn’t think it was necessary to type out the whole thing given we knew the context of the situation. But alright, let me make it more clear:

You were making fun of those who bought more than one RotJ Luke for options, and are now complaining about the release of this figure as they bought multiples of the other first. And let’s be clear, there’s no other way to read this line than ‘making fun of [that particular group]:’



And let’s not forget you did say they’re being moronic, which I’m pretty sure is against the rules here

But I’m glad you responded like that as it’s made it clear you lack any kind of comprehension of context, even after reading so many pages of people’s posts saying the same things over and over, which is made clear by lines like ‘everyone knew Endor Luke was coming’ and ‘people are acting like they want the DX stuff for free’

First of all, yes people knew Endor Luke was coming, but as Silverstar pointed out, no one knew he was coming in this context. They made the decision based on the knowledge they had. Had they known a deluxe was coming mere months after the first release, including most of everything from both releases, they would likely have bought that. The problem is solely with the deluxe, not the general Endor release as you keep implying. And I’m saying this as someone who doesn’t even want it as I got a great deal on Jedi Luke and I’d never even display him with the Endor or sandstorm looks.

Secondly, no one is ‘acting like they want it for free.’ They were all willing to pay had they known, and I’m sure people would have paid even slightly more to have the cuffs and cloak included, making it a ‘complete’ release. Just because you’re making these baseless assumptions, doesn’t make them true.

Thirdly, your solution consisting of just telling people to buy the parts is ridiculous as well. Different people have different financial situations, and not everyone wants to spend more than they were expecting, and others don’t want to start doling out parts on eBay. It might apply to those that have a free hand, but it’s certainly not an end-all, be-all solution.

And lastly, as Dukefett pointed out, no one expected the accessory pack to be $30 (you get a pair of shoes in that price in the 1/6 world), you’re just pulling those points out of thin air and applying them to the situation like they’re real.

I honestly don’t get why you’re making up so many things and why all of this is so hard for you to understand. I’m not even in their camp and I can understand their concern, and it’s clear many others can. Hell I don’t even care if you disagree honestly, it’s just the insulting was unnecessary. I wouldn’t have even bothered to respond had you not done that.

I do agree on the options point you made for the extra gloved hands and the poncho. But again, that would not be an issue if they offered this in the first place. In my case, I only would have bought the ‘light’ Jedi release with just the cloak and cuffs anyway, had here been one.



Exactly, thank you for putting it more eloquently.

And for those like you and I who only really wanted the looks of the first release, we’re fine as we are. I’m also not too keen on the sculpts in the deluxe honestly, I don’t like the gritted teeth look, or the ‘windswept’ look. It looks more like it’s styled that way,

In my case I also received a $50 off coupon from sideshow which brought the price further down. It was only valid for in stock items and expired in January so that was a no brainer for me.




Their faces look hilarious as well. Finn is so intense and you captured Luke having a bit of a surprised look

Lol. We clearly disagree and have different standpoints here. Love how you quoted that one line btw but not any of my expansion on it whatsoever in any of my posts. I'm not going to explain the difference between saying "I wish this would have been an all-in-one" and complaining about a variant coming out after the initial version had already been released, when we knew the variant was coming too. At that point you're honestly just complaining about there being more options available. Feel free to read my other posts again (and others posts) if you want a display of all the possible combinations of how they could have released this figure and their outcomes as far as consumer reaction. Yeah, would have been great and preferred by everyone if they released one big Luke ROTJ DX to begin with. They didn't.

RE your accessories pack comment (the $30 thing), see the response where they said they expected to pay $125, and then I said "okay well I'm sure you can buy those extra parts you want for that much or less". Not making that up either, lookup toyanxiety.com and a site called ebay.com

Short breakdown of events for you:

1. ROTJ Luke is announced, everyone is stoked. Pre-orders follow.

2. Endor Luke is shown at SDCC (or NYCC, can't remember). So people know it's a thing.

3. ROTJ Luke comes out. People enjoy the figure for the most part. Many "didn't want the endor version anyway" posts.

4. Endor goes up for pre-order as both normal and a DX that comes with a strange teeth sculpt we already saw, and a repainted version of the (IMO superior) MMS429 sculpt to make Luke look like he got caught cross-dressing. DX also comes with windswept hair, which many people seem to want.

5. Instead of going "I have no interest in the Endor figure, so I'll just buy the parts I want loose", people complain saying "stabbed in the back by HT. Now I'm forced to buy this figure if I want all of the options!" (again, instead of buying any parts they want loose...) and "this is a shameless cash grab by HT, the original just went up for sale and they announce this!"

So yeah. But clearly, I lack comprehension and you have no issue whatsoever putting things into perspective. Not like you can buy HT parts loose or anything.

If HT announced these both at the same time, both up for pre-order at the same time - that would be scummy. The fact is people bought the initial figure and felt like it was worth what they paid for. There are now additional options whether people want to buy a second figure, or buy either one of the figures and get loose parts from the other. Whatever way you cut it, it's the same thing. Doesn't matter if they were $125 accessory packs, doesn't matter if it was JUST Endor Luke, doesn't matter if the original had come with windswept hair and cost $260 instead and this didn't have that accessory.

If it helps you feel better, I'm happy to sell you my windswept hair from the DX. What was the price you said was good for the accessory packs again, $100-125? Sounds good to me <3