Hot Toys MMS429 - Return of the Jedi Luke Skywalker

[Smash]

It's not just more options. It's the same thing minus a few minor accessories. Yes I know the this head is looking to the side, and honestly I think I prefer that since I think he's a little dead eyed looking straight to me, but that's personal preference.

The deluxe Boba isn't a scam because A) those weren't even featured in the movie and B) you lose nothing movie accurate by just getting the regular version. Plus they were up for preorder at the same time.

If it were just an Endor version with the new head and the extra hair sculpt, I would have gotten the Endor version. But it doesn't come with the other hair, so now I'd have to buy the Deluxe. This is what I keep saying, 2 separate releases that add up to a great one is fine if both have their merits.

But buying the Deluxe leaving almost nothing besides the cloak/binders for the other release. You can get the cloak for nothing on eBay because of the amount of people who just want a DS2 version, it's not like it's a highly sought after part (right now anyway). The base for MMS429 can also be had fairly cheaply on eBay when I looked at sold auctions. Those aren't big selling points. There's a million cloaks and bases out there.

As I mentioned, the original sculpt is superior in my opinion - so if you prefer the other I'm sure you could sell the original HS for probably the same amount as the windswept hair and the side-looking face if you wanted to. The cloak will without a doubt go up in value if new customers get the DX without having the original figure, and I imagine the bases will as well.

I think people vastly underestimate how much some of these parts can sell for parted out, even the lesser ones. I ended up getting my DX07 for $70 selling the parts I didn't want. Even just looking at recently sold for the sculpt, cloak, and head you're looking at around $130-140. The current listings are all well above what those sold parts were listed for.

The original will definitely still have value, and if anything the parts will go up. There are going to be a lot of people who end up getting the DX and hating the side eyes face and wanting the OG head and the cloak. It goes both ways.

And as I mentioned, it seems like a lot of you are fine with just the base endor figure. So at that point the actual complaint is about the extra parts with the DX, which you can then consider a $40 accessory pack (assuming some people were buying the endor one anyway), which is a killer deal. If you don't want the endor figure, and only want the windy hair and side eyes, then you'll be able to get them for sub $125 which is the price you suggested for accessory packs when you said you would have preferred that. So I get where you're coming from, but I hope you understand where I am coming from when I say it seems like people are complaining about just having more options (and I specifically mean those hair/face pieces). Those options are going to cost money no matter how it's packaged.

Like you mentioned in your post, you would have just got the endor version if it were only that. So, you can either do that - or you could get the DX and sell all those extra parts, making way more than your $40 investment for the DX back. And of course, if you want the extra parts, then you can consider it a $40 accessory pack which is the cheapest it will be (assuming you wanted the endor version too, which it seems you do). Otherwise those parts loose will probably cost around $100.

To get the super ultra-deluxe complete package with all the options and two full figures, yes we're looking at around $500 total. But that's probably what a modern day DX07 release would be anyway.

 

[dukefett]

Not everyone wants to sit and part their figures out to sell them and not everyone wants to subscribe to the Toy Anxiety post here to find out when new releases are broken down and hope to hell they get the parts in the 30 seconds they sell out at a reasonable price.

I'm a sucker and I'll most likely get the DX release but I'm still not happy about it at all having to put up almost $300 and then hope to sell some stuff. I can only imagine ST stuff for Hot Toys is not selling well for them to go back to the RotJ Luke well so fast. And like I said, if this was years in the future I wouldn't be as bothered. Rehashing everything immediately is pretty scummy IMO. Some people just bought Jedi Luke yesterday because of the double rewards at Sideshow, it's not even low stock there.

 

[Smash]

Not everyone wants to sit and part their figures out to sell them and not everyone wants to subscribe to the Toy Anxiety post here to find out when new releases are broken down and hope to hell they get the parts in the 30 seconds they sell out at a reasonable price.

I'm a sucker and I'll most likely get the DX release but I'm still not happy about it at all having to put up almost $300 and then hope to sell some stuff. I can only imagine ST stuff for Hot Toys is not selling well for them to go back to the RotJ Luke well so fast. And like I said, if this was years in the future I wouldn't be as bothered. Rehashing everything immediately is pretty scummy IMO. Some people just bought Jedi Luke yesterday because of the double rewards at Sideshow, it's not even low stock there.

Hot Toys in general recently are not selling out. You can still buy DS Anakin which everyone was super worried about being gone forever, and yeah stuff like ROTJ Luke that was a grail for tons of people.

What parts specifically are you interested in? I would genuinely be more than happy to PM you ebay listings or whatever for parted out pieces after release. I spend a lot of my time on eBay for work and flipping is a hobby of mine anyway so I'll probably be doing it regardless lol. If you end up not wanting to get the DX and just want to buy individual parts, I'm happy to help you find them.

 

[maru81]

Shady move by Hot Toys no doubt about it, full on cash grab, it actually makes me laugh.

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[Popnfresh98]

Lol. We clearly disagree and have different standpoints here. Love how you quoted that one line btw but not any of my expansion on it whatsoever in any of my posts. I'm not going to explain the difference between saying "I wish this would have been an all-in-one" and complaining about a variant coming out after the initial version had already been released, when we knew the variant was coming too. At that point you're honestly just complaining about there being more options available. Feel free to read my other posts again (and others posts) if you want a display of all the possible combinations of how they could have released this figure and their outcomes as far as consumer reaction. Yeah, would have been great and preferred by everyone if they released one big Luke ROTJ DX to begin with. They didn't.

RE your accessories pack comment (the $30 thing), see the response where they said they expected to pay $125, and then I said "okay well I'm sure you can buy those extra parts you want for that much or less". Not making that up either, lookup toyanxiety.com and a site called ebay.com

Short breakdown of events for you:

1. ROTJ Luke is announced, everyone is stoked. Pre-orders follow.

2. Endor Luke is shown at SDCC (or NYCC, can't remember). So people know it's a thing, didn't just make that up btw.

3. ROTJ Luke comes out. People enjoy the figure for the most part. Many "didn't want the endor version anyway" posts.

4. Endor goes up for pre-order as both normal and a DX that comes with a strange teeth sculpt we already saw, and a repainted version of the (IMO superior) MMS429 sculpt to make Luke look like he got caught cross-dressing. DX also comes with windswept hair, which many people seem to want.

5. Instead of going "I have no interest in the Endor figure, so I'll just buy the parts I want loose", people complain saying "stabbed in the back by HT. Now I'm forced to buy this figure if I want all of the options!" (again, instead of buying any parts they want loose...) and "this is a shameless cash grab by HT, the original just went up for sale and they announce this!" (even though people knew the endor was coming, again didn't make that up as you suggest, go check pages from SDCC).

So yeah. But clearly, I lack comprehension and you have no issue whatsoever putting things into perspective. Not like you can buy HT parts loose or anything.

If HT announced these both at the same time, both up for pre-order at the same time - that would be scummy. The fact is people bought the initial figure and felt like it was worth what they paid for. There are now additional options whether people want to buy a second figure, or buy either one of the figures and get loose parts from the other. Whatever way you cut it, it's the same thing. Doesn't matter if they were $125 accessory packs, doesn't matter if it was JUST Endor Luke, doesn't matter if the original had come with windswept hair and cost $260 instead and this didn't have that accessory.

If it helps you feel better, I'm happy to sell you my windswept hair from the DX. What was the price you said was good for the accessory packs again, $100-125? Sounds good to me <3

I’m sorry but... lol, you clearly don’t know how to read. Read my post again. I already answered every point you brought up again for some reason. You said at least 4 things that were already taken care of in the previous post, or are erroneous in their entirety.

While you’re at it, read the posts of the folks who didn’t like how this went down either. You clearly don’t understand any of them, that’s why there’s such a disconnect between what you’re saying and what they are. I mean look at how many people you’re arguing with, among them people who don’t even feel slighted by this release.

Also:

If HT announced these both at the same time, both up for pre-order at the same time - that would be scummy.

You truly do not comprehend it, do you?

But anyway, the ideal thing they could have done was make this release Maul style in 3 packages:

A Jedi/Jabba Luke, an Endor Luke, and a complete Luke containing everything from both. People would have paid for what they want. I personally would have stuck to the Jedi/Jabba look as I’d never display him the other ways when I already have the 3 options I prefer. (And even then mostly the robed look and the ds2 look)

Either way, none of this is an excuse to insult others and call them moronic.

It feels like Hot Toys is always sneaking up on me trying to get their hands on my wallet and take my money. Dang I wish I could just get all these figures!

 

[punisher1974]

It feels like Hot Toys is always sneaking up on me trying to get their hands on my wallet and take my money. Dang I wish I could just get all these figures!

Gives new definition to the Trench run dialog. "Stay on Target". "Loosen up" Or "It's away" "Did it go in?" "Negative just impacted on the surface"

 

[Wor-Gar]

Gives new definition to the Trench run dialog. "Stay on Target". "Loosen up" Or "It's away" "Did it go in?" "Negative just impacted on the surface"

"Look at the size of that thing!"

 

[Smash]

I’m sorry but... lol, you clearly don’t know how to read. Read my post again. I already answered every point you brought up again for some reason. You said at least 4 things that were already taken care of in the previous post, or are erroneous in their entirety.

While you’re at it, read the posts of the folks who didn’t like how this went down either. You clearly don’t understand any of them, that’s why there’s such a disconnect between what you’re saying and what they are. I mean look at how many people you’re arguing with, among them people who don’t even feel slighted by this release.

Also:





You truly do not comprehend it, do you?

But anyway, the ideal thing they could have done was make this release Maul style in 3 packages:

A Jedi/Jabba Luke, an Endor Luke, and a complete Luke containing everything from both. People would have paid for what they want. I personally would have stuck to the Jedi/Jabba look as I’d never display him the other ways when I already have the 3 options I prefer. (And even then mostly the robed look and the ds2 look)

Either way, none of this is an excuse to insult others and call them moronic.

The word moronic is really triggering for you, isn't it? Love the double standard of you saying me expressing my opinion that a general group of people acting a certain way (moronic) is somehow hugely offensive and insulting, while you're saying I lack comprehension and I don't know how to read. Anyway, since people responding to your posts and questioning your opinions clearly means they can't read and it is very offensive to you, we are done here. Sorry to have hurt your feelings.

The more people that don't buy the DX, the better. Just means I'll have an easier time selling all the parts I don't want, probably nabbing my Endor Luke for under $200 when all is said and done.

 

[SilverStar17]

The more people that don't buy the DX, the better. Just means I'll have an easier time selling all the parts I don't want, probably nabbing my Endor Luke for under $200 when all is said and done.

As mentioned, purchasing parts by themselves parted out isn't cheap.

 

[Smash]

As mentioned, purchasing parts by themselves parted out isn't cheap.

Yep. That's what I was saying. The more people that don't buy the DX, means more people will likely want to buy some of those parts parted out. I'm buying the DX because I want the Endor Luke, and haven't decided if I want to keep the other parts yet. But I'll be able to sell all the extra stuff for well over $40.

Depending on if I can find a speeder bike, I might even buy the first release of ROTJ Luke too so I can display him separately. I was previously just going to have one OT Luke with my DX07, but Luke+Speeder was my favorite POTF toy so I can't pass it up if it's a possibility haha. And once I have more than one OT Luke, I might as well just go all in and get the different representations lol. I'll be in big trouble if HT makes a pilot Luke.

 

[SilverStar17]

Yep. That's what I was saying. The more people that don't buy the DX, means more people will likely want to buy some of those parts parted out. I'm buying the DX because I want the Endor Luke, and haven't decided if I want to keep the other parts yet. But I'll be able to sell all the extra stuff for well over $40.

That's precisely why I can understand why some folks who purchased the MMS429, under the impression that HT was only going to release a single Endor Luke and were planning on picking up that as well, may feel a bit misled after finding out that they could have had all the looks they originally wanted for only $50 more than what the MMS429 cost. If they still want to get the additional outfits they wanted by going and picking those up separately, I can see that potentially costing overall more than $282.

Parted out parts aren't cheap.

 

[punisher1974]

"Look at the size of that thing!"

"Locking s-foils into postion"

 

[Smash]

That's precisely why I can understand why some folks who purchased the MMS429, under the impression that HT was only going to release a single Endor Luke and were planning on picking up that as well, feel a bit misled after finding out that they could have had all the looks they originally wanted for only $50 more than what the MMS429 cost. If they still want to get the additional outfits they wanted by going and picking those up separately, I can see that potentially costing overall more than $282.

Parted out parts aren't cheap.

I understand what you're saying, but is the part I'm continuously confused by. I don't want to get back into it, but basically the bolded portion implies that people who purchased the MMS429 and intended to purchase the original Endor Luke, are upset that they could have just waited and bought only the Endor Luke DX. That's all 100% true and perfectly valid, except that it implies people want to have two Lukes (one Endor and one not), so they'd be buying two figures anyway, not one. So that's definitely more than an extra $50.

The DX parts are extra, and to me it's kind of a "oh cool I have some more hair options now" thing. If the DX included the exact same parts as the MMS429, that would be ******** yeah. But the extra face sculpt is painted funky IMO, the side eyes are very limiting in poses and it looks like he got caught looking at pics of Leia lol. And then yeah, the extra parts from the MMS429 that are not included will still be very sought after (if not more than they are now). Like, if I don't pick up another ROTJ Luke, I'll probably try to find the cloak and OG headsculpt parted out. It'll probably cost me around $100-120.

Again, don't want to get into it as we all seem to have different opinions on it.. but from my point of view, the DX pieces are different enough from the original that they do not offer the same looks as the MMS429. To me, it's just a $40 bonus. The biggest contributor IMO is the face. I actually think that's why they went with the side eyes, to try to cut down on backlash. The only way to get a forward facing ROTJ Luke that doesn't look like he's receiving an impromptu colonoscopy is to get the MMS429. Lol if the MMS429 were announced and Luke was looking to the side as far as he is in the DX extra, people would be pissed.

 

[davejames]

So where's the deluge of "I still love this guy" pics?

I still love this guy.

 

[SilverStar17]

There we go.

I understand what you're saying, but is the part I'm continuously confused by. I don't want to get back into it, but basically the bolded portion implies that people who purchased the MMS429 and intended to purchase the original Endor Luke, are upset that they could have just waited and bought only the Endor Luke DX. That's all 100% true and perfectly valid, except that it implies people want to have two Lukes (one Endor and one not), so they'd be buying two figures anyway, not one. So that's definitely more than an extra $50.

The DX parts are extra, and to me it's kind of a "oh cool I have some more hair options now" thing. If the DX included the exact same parts as the MMS429, that would be ******** yeah. But the extra face sculpt is painted funky IMO, the side eyes are very limiting in poses and it looks like he got caught looking at pics of Leia lol. And then yeah, the extra parts from the MMS429 that are not included will still be very sought after (if not more than they are now). Like, if I don't pick up another ROTJ Luke, I'll probably try to find the cloak and OG headsculpt parted out. It'll probably cost me around $100-120.

Again, don't want to get into it as we all seem to have different opinions on it.. but from my point of view, the DX pieces are different enough from the original that they do not offer the same looks as the MMS429. To me, it's just a $40 bonus. The biggest contributor IMO is the face. I actually think that's why they went with the side eyes, to try to cut down on backlash. The only way to get a forward facing ROTJ Luke that doesn't look like he's receiving an impromptu colonoscopy is to get the MMS429. Lol if the MMS429 were announced and Luke was looking to the side as far as he is in the DX extra, people would be pissed.

That’s true regarding the two figures bit. And personally, if I were interested in all of his looks, that’s what I would do. As I’ve mentioned, having four different outfits with only one figure to rotate them on seems a bit much to me; it occurs to me that you’d need at least two figures. However, some people apparently don’t mind having all outfits with just one figure and I think just look at the fact that it includes Endor gear (as well as the other outfits), because I recall mentioning last year in the Endor Luke thread the too many outfits for one figure notion, and some people were still advocates of the all-outfits-in-one set idea. So to them, they could have had all looks included in one set as opposed to thinking they were going to need to buy two separate figures in order to get it, or get it parted out. So if the Endor gear is really what they are interested in, even buying the Endor gear parted out in addition to the price of MMS429 may potentially end up being more expensive than what they could have gotten the entire complete set for.

 

[Smash]

I still love this guy.




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Nice pic! Can the gloved hand on the light-up arm move at all? I don't care much about the light-up feature, but none of these releases come with a normal gloved saber hand. I want to have him holding it right over left.

I've heard some people have been painting the blade too, is it pretty dull without the light on?

 

[TonTon]

Gives new definition to the Trench run dialog. "Stay on Target". "Loosen up" Or "It's away" "Did it go in?" "Negative just impacted on the surface"

"Look at the size of that thing!"

"Locking s-foils into postion"

These made wading through those past 10 pages of nonsense worth it.

“At that speed do you think you’ll be able to pull out in time?”

 

[davejames]

Nice pic! Can the gloved hand on the light-up arm move at all? I don't care much about the light-up feature, but none of these releases come with a normal gloved saber hand. I want to have him holding it right over left.

I've heard some people have been painting the blade too, is it pretty dull without the light on?

Someone a while back was able to detach the hand and slide it up a bit more, but I've never tried it with mine. And yeah the blade is pretty dull when not lit, but I've just come to live with it.

 

[TonTon]

Someone a while back was able to detach the hand and slide it up a bit more, but I've never tried it with mine. And yeah the blade is pretty dull when not lit, but I've just come to live with it.

I know you don’t have a detolf but if you have those dioder lights and line the tip of the saber up with where one of the LEDs is it can look like it’s illuminated all the time (when your lights are on), though maybe at 30% power of the arm battery. It’s still a nice effect vs nothing.

 

[mikesgtrs]

Im happy with the standard ROTJ luke.
Endor luke looks cool but i dont see the need for myself personally. Because of the DX release you watch the sideshow speeder bikes sell out